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Al Gore's father, Albert Gore Sr was the VICE PRESIDENT OF OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM. His entire campaign in 2000 was financed by oil money.
Also reminds me how the last US administration had John Podesta as the "climate czar".
Why aren't there more Environmental/Green right wingers?
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Also reminds me how the last US administration had John Podesta as the "climate czar".
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From an environmental perspective solar is really not as good as people think it is, an absolute shitton of rare metal mining is required to make them and in many places depending on the weather it can only be supplementary. Hydro is entirely dependent on the geography of the area, naturally, and on top of that we've already dammed up tons of rivers for power already.
liberals are drawn more to it since they have as much if not more sympathy for a lizard or a germ or something or some sprig of a plant, than they do for a human being. rightwingers are more focused on the total death and destruction being flooded upon our societies and dont particularly care if the future looks nice and green for "people" who wont appreciate it and will literally just shit on it or fill it with deadly toxic chemical ponds out of greed anyway.
tldr liberals care more about a pretty sounding cause, people on the right want a good reason to do something that benefits people and its low on the list right now.
tldr liberals care more about a pretty sounding cause, people on the right want a good reason to do something that benefits people and its low on the list right now.
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We have had the answer for nearly half a century. It's nuclear fission. Gen IV molten salt reactors come very close to the definition of unlimited energy. They are safe, efficient, low cost, and can be built in a time span of 5 to 10 years.
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There's tons of right-leaning environmental organizations but they do not have the same power on the right as the oil or lumber industry.
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It makes more sense to ignore both and just frack. Green energy doesn't have the capacity to meet energy demand. It also doesn't help that environmentalists shut down a shit ton of nuclear power plants, or use environmental laws to ironically block those things. More so, there is no such thing as "clean" or green energy. All sources of energy produce some waste or some environmental destruction. It is impossible otherwise.
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get new lines, magatard. You won't get them from donny's little cheeto, that's for sure
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I think it's far more deeply cynical than that. The people pushing the CO2 narrative are in bed with the WEF and the Fortune 500 megacorps. These companies have benefited for years and years from planned obsolescence, from people buying the same exact smartphone every year or two and tossing the last one in a landfill. Now, they want to scale down their manufacturing and collect rents off of EaaS (Everything-as-a-Service), which they are trying to sell to the public as the environmentally-conscious "circular economy".Because it is the religion of Sciencethat is de facto in the modern west. It's all virtue signalling. They don't care about actual existential issues. They care about whatever they have been conditioned to by the media, academic, and state apparatus. Much like how identity politics was the kill shot to the anti-WTO, OWS left, "global warming" / greenpeace was the kill shot to any real environmental concerns.
The CO2 narrative does not threaten them; they were already planning on making many physical products into digital ones, abstracting them away into the ether, and as for everything else, they want to make devices more robust and rent them to people like Rug Doctors. They want everything you currently own to be like Lime Bikes and Waymo cars. There's the one, scuffed-up communal whatever and everyone pays micro-rent to use it for an infinitesimal span of time. Eventually, they plan to put an end to private vehicle ownership and get rid of most parking spaces in cities entirely. The whole 15-minute cities thing is just a transitional phase to that point.
The reason why they want indoor farming of bugs and kale to replace traditional farming is because they plan on supporting a much smaller population of urban serfs, and most of the opposition to globalization comes from "uneducated rurals", anyway. It's partly about controlling the food supply, and also partly about abolishing the rural peasant farmer class and the political opposition they present to the NWO.
The CO2 narrative is about pushing the responsibility for pollution off of large corporations and making environmentalism seem like an issue of personal consumption habits. It's just like the crying Indian ad, writ large.
If people recognized the broader picture of environmental degradation, it would trace a line straight to the megacorps, to factory farming, to giant trawlers, to the big petrochemical and semiconductor firms. They don't want that kind of attention. The climate change narrative reframes it so that it's all about you. If you want to save the planet, don't take that vacation. Don't fly. Don't go anywhere. Sit and vegetate in your Ready Player One corrugated metal favela, put on the VR goggles, load up the Studio Ghibli sim, and fantasize that you live in a castle in the sky instead of an old Airstream trailer perched on a scaffold.
Make no mistake, the uber-wealthy Davos jet-setters plan to consume exactly as many natural resources and emit just as much carbon as they are at present, if not more. They just want Medieval sumptuary laws to return, so everyone else's consumption doesn't put their own luxuries in jeopardy. People having a nuanced and wide-ranging view on environmental degradation is contrary to their interests.
The mainstream narrative about environmentalism has one goal and one goal only; rolling back the industrial revolution, eliminating the middle class, and dragging everyone back to a feudalist condition of life as helpless serfs under a hereditary rentier-aristocracy. It's feudalism with smartphones.
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Just to underline how retarded Leftists are, New York banned fracking, and shut down their own nuclear energy plants so they have to import their energy from Canada. Now, they are going to suffer higher energy prices now because of tariffs. Leftards in general are just not intelligent people.
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Your post is incredibly well said. But I disagree with this. I don't think "everything as a service" and "planned obsolescence" are mutually exclusive. Corporations absolutely would make you both rent and have something stop working after 2 years. Watch any Louis Rossmannn video for evidence of this.
never has a sentence been so accurate and depressing at the same time.
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Ben Shapiro is still bitching about the last time a major right-wing organization cared about animals and the environment.
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Every single bit of the modern environmentalist movement dictated by the mainstream establishment. They think that they can make up for what they're doing with some vague ocean cleaning promise.
You have Ghislane Maxwell giving a ted talk about this shit.
You have Ghislane Maxwell giving a ted talk about this shit.
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The original environmental movement , conservationism, was quite different than modern environmentalism and could be considered more 'conservative' in the sense that it would be much more to the tastes of conservatives today underlaid by simple values of preservation for human enjoyment and basic ethics.
The dominant strand of modern environmentalism is basically an alternate vehicle and extension of Marxist oppression theory or what they'd call class struggle generalized from economic classes to the human/biosphere relationship in much in the same way SJWism is class struggle generalized to racial/gender relations. This sect being propped up by fellow Marxist travelers both in the West and abroad in its early years has largely displaced rival environmental factions due to a larger support base and the fanaticism of its adherents since Marxism ironically lends itself well to pseudoreligious zealotry.
The dominant strand of modern environmentalism is basically an alternate vehicle and extension of Marxist oppression theory or what they'd call class struggle generalized from economic classes to the human/biosphere relationship in much in the same way SJWism is class struggle generalized to racial/gender relations. This sect being propped up by fellow Marxist travelers both in the West and abroad in its early years has largely displaced rival environmental factions due to a larger support base and the fanaticism of its adherents since Marxism ironically lends itself well to pseudoreligious zealotry.
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I have never met a single person, left or right, that has hated nuclear energy. Can someone an me where these people are, because I have never seen them in my life.
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Part of "romanticizing the pastoral life" is realizing how detached from that most of society is and recognition of the massive industrial apparatus that keeps literally billions of people alive. And that apparatus requires lots and lots and lots of cheap energy.
Leftists have been in their metropolitan bughives for so long, they don't understand the logistics that govern their own lives.
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You were right, it's Just Stop Oil
I applaud you for managing to avoid the standard Boomer shitlib housewife whose entire understanding of nuclear energy consists of 3 Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
And there's a LOT of younger progs who will concede it creates very clean energy, but that there's no permanent solution for the waste (but have no follow-up when you ask them about the toxic material in discarded solar panels or their EV's battery), so it's a non-starter.
The metropolitan bughive nature of the most ardent climate alarmists and environmentalists/greens in general is also why they so frequently fall for consumerist scams that are either total non-solutions or actually worse for the environment than the product they're told to avoid to save the planet. Imitation red meat being a great example. So much industrial energy and processing goes into the isolation and creation of all the various chemicals and plant material that go into things like an Impossible Burger that it's closer to nature to just slaughter a cow the old fashioned way, and the carbon-neutrality of the fake meat is a wash, at best.
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If you mean right-wing environmental movements, they're called "conservationists". Conservatives conserve (in theory at least), they don't worship nature and bootlick bureaucrats to tax them for carbon credits. Also, a lot of them are hunters, and they got run out of the left by the gun grabbers.
If you mean green energy specifically, conservatives are too practical to go for unproven, lab-only solutions, or high-priced fragile systems like solar or wind. They tend to favor nuclear power; but again, that position was rejected by the left decades ago.
If you mean anything having to do with IPCC-defined climate change, the answer is right wingers aren't dumb enough to fall for that scam.
If you mean green energy specifically, conservatives are too practical to go for unproven, lab-only solutions, or high-priced fragile systems like solar or wind. They tend to favor nuclear power; but again, that position was rejected by the left decades ago.
If you mean anything having to do with IPCC-defined climate change, the answer is right wingers aren't dumb enough to fall for that scam.
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I don't usually say this on account of I prefer to have thoughts of my own on a given subject, but I'm pretty sure I've only ever seen it on Reddit.
I understand that, but the unironic Tedposting and militia larping can get a bit excessive. Though I guess they're preferable to anprims.