Why aren't there more Environmental/Green right wingers?

[Town Drunk]

"if I give money to the government they can change the weather" Yeah, lets do a rain dance too.

 

[Tablet County]

"if I give money to the government they can change the weather"

This mfer ain't even heard of cloud seeding.

 

[starborn427614]

There's tons of right-leaning environmental organizations but they do not have the same power on the right as the oil or lumber industry.

This is probably the answer. Fossil fuels bring in the big bucks.

 

[Town Drunk]

This mfer ain't even heard of cloud seeding.

I'll clarify, because I was making a joke, but these people believe hurricanes and tornados are a result of climate change. When one volcano puts more pollution into the air than every factory in human history.

Beliving that you live a more miserable life, will change the global weather pattern is absurd.

I know jokes get ruined when you explain them, but this is a massive grift. You can bet these people will not eat bugs and live without air conditioning.

 

[Tablet County]

I'll clarify, because I was making a joke,

I know. I was too.

 

[Not A Bunny]

"Is CO2 the only problem we have?"

"Yeap! CO2! Moar solar panel! Moar windmill!"

"What about aquifer depletion, soil erosion, desertification, ocean acidification, peak oil, peak natural gas, peak phosphorus, peak minerals, synthetic fertilizer shortages, nitrogen and phosphorus runoff making algae blooms, microplastics, PFAS, endocrine disruptors, and so on?"

"I don't know what that is! CO2!"

"You don't know very much, do you?"

"We're all gonna DROWN if we don't stop putting out CO2!"

"You're still breathing, so I find that highly unlikely."

It's the I Fucking Love Science crowd at work. They think they can distill science down to a few talking points that lack nuance and complexity because they think that's what Science is, and because Science is cool, they attach themselves to it because they think it makes them enlightened.

It's why I get a hearty chuckle out of people who wear NASA t-shirts. You can tell these people don't work for NASA. They just think space is cool, but damned if they actually know anything about it besides that more girls should be astronauts.

 

[Tablet County]

It's why I get a hearty chuckle out of people who wear NASA t-shirts. You can tell these people don't work for NASA. They just think space is cool, but damned if they actually know anything about it besides that more girls should be astronauts.

I'd like NASA too if our space program still existed and we didn't have to outsource it to an Afrikaans Homonculus.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I'd like NASA too if our space program still existed and we didn't have to outsource it to an Afrikaans Homonculus.

I have to remind people fairly regularly how long it's been since we put someone on the moon. If that doesn't tell you what the state of NASA is, it means you haven't got a fucking clue about science OR the government.

 

[ShahOfIran1979]

Trump said he'd fast track approval of nuclear plants. Whether anything actually comes of it I guess we will see.

The main reason nuclear energy isn't widely used is because it's extremely expensive, not because it's ''unclean." Nuclear fusion energy may be very useful in the future, but that's still far away.

 

[Tablet County]

The main reason nuclear energy isn't widely used is because it's extremely expensive, not because it's ''unclean." Nuclear fusion energy may be very useful in the future, but that's still far away.

Maybe in the short term, but I think it's understood to be a better long-term energy solution compared to solar.

 

[Neodanthril]

because politics in this country are purely fake. the only people in this country that have any kind of political expression are jews. each political party has social issues (read: shit that doesnt affect what jews want to do, ESPECIALLY with regard to foreign policy but also ecomonics) that each parties base are allowed to talk about. for the left wing one of the many is environmentalism. to ensure these lines arent blurred, radicals for that particular cause that fit the desired mold are given money to be absolute retards and blemish the concept as a whole from keeping normal people from seriously consider complaining about the status quo because their only option is to deal with those retards and either become one or get into retarded drama with retards and just have their life be that much more miserable.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

True right wingers are clean and green.

We didn't ask for globalism, we didn't ask for factory farming, we didn't ask for forests and jungles to be bulldozed, we didn't ask for wildlands and farmlands to be turned into endless subdivisions for (((migrants))), we didn't ask for over-population, we didn't ask Bill Gates to block out the sun with chemicals, we didn't ask scientists to modify crops and insects, we didn't ask for mass consumerism of plastic junk, we didn't ask for massive lithium fields, we didn't ask for any of this shit.

We just want low population countries with our own people, farming done in the old way, little shires where you can read a book in peace by a bubbling brook, and not a single snake oil salesman ever in sight.

 

[Delaware 14]

This is probably the answer. Fossil fuels bring in the big bucks.

It's exactly why the opposite is filled with commies and stuff.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

They were hanged at Nuremberg so hard that the few who remain are schizos hidden away in the depths of the Internet.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

True right wingers are clean and green.

We didn't ask for globalism, we didn't ask for factory farming, we didn't ask for forests and jungles to be bulldozed, we didn't ask for wildlands and farmlands to be turned into endless subdivisions for (((migrants))), we didn't ask for over-population, we didn't ask Bill Gates to block out the sun with chemicals, we didn't ask scientists to modify crops and insects, we didn't ask for mass consumerism of plastic junk, we didn't ask for massive lithium fields, we didn't ask for any of this shit.

We just want low population countries with our own people, farming done in the old way, little shires where you can read a book in peace by a bubbling brook, and not a single snake oil salesman ever in sight.

Beautiful summary and I agree 100%. We are more alike than different these days, at least among those with sense.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

On ironically the right created the environmental movement and then the left hijacked it for a form of watermelon infiltration communism the environmental protection agency was created under Nixon

 

[Lowlife Adventures]

Maybe in the short term, but I think it's understood to be a better long-term energy solution compared to solar.

I can see the benefit of using nuclear but my concern is that effects of meltdowns are pretty much irreversible and governments are too short-sighted and corrupt to competently manage a nuclear plant.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Also a lot of environmental groups are left-wing because they were/still are bankrolled by the Russians and Chinese to kneecap European/American industry, natural gas production by making them dependent on Russian oil and Chinese crap. Europe is learning that the hard way with the war going on over there.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Most modern environmentalist movements are almost all watermelon movements; green on the outside, but red on the inside. You ask them what their solutions are to the so-called "climate crisis", and it's inevitably some argument along the lines of "WE NEED SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM NOW NOW NOW". And the few that aren't like this are assets owned by multinational organizations that shove the blame of pollution from the actual causers (big multinational corporations and corrupt third-world nations with zero environmental laws) to the masses, usually so they can justify stripping away your freedoms (live in pod, eat bugs, etc) and making you pay more taxes.

Why would any right-wing group, especially the populists that are making gains in the modern Western world, side with movements ran by communists and NGOs that near-universally hate them?

 

[TheGoodNamesHaveBeenTaken]

I have never met a single person, left or right, that has hated nuclear energy. Can someone an me where these people are, because I have never seen them in my life.

I don't hate nuclear but I am against it.
It can not compete on price.

One of the newest nuke plants in the country is 50 ish miles from my house.
The owners wanted to close it a few years back because it can not compete on price.
The state got the bright idea to subsidize it since it is "green" energy.

So the owners of the plant get tax money to run the plant and then sell the power for whatever the market will bear.

On top of that my state has some of the highest electrical power in the country because all the power companies are more in the business of buying political favors than making power.

Another reason for the high rates?

Paying for upkeep and security on decommissioned plants that can't be fully decommissioned because of nuclear waste.

This ties in to the problem, what to do with the waste.

Kyle Hill and other nuclear fan boys say this is a made up problem that has already been solved.
Just put it in dry casks and store it at the power plants.

Here is the problem with that.
When licenses were given out to build the power plants, communities across the country were assured "nuclear waste is a federal issue. The feds will take care of it and haul it off the site. Once this plant closes, it wont turn in to a giant nuclear waste dump, I promise you that!"

Kyle's solution is for the government to say "We are changing the terms because fuck you. Enjoy your nuclear waste dump!"

The contract the local plant signed with the community says the land will be put back how it was before the plant was built.
There were no dry casks full of radioactive waste here before they turned over the dirt.
I would like to see them held to that.

There was supposed to be a place for the waste.
On federal land in Nevada built at a cost of many billion dollars there was the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository.

As a reward for Harry Reid's "work" in helping to inflict 0bamacare on the nation 0bama killed it.

So Nevada got billions spent (some estimates say they have put 60 billion down that hole) in their area yet never had to take any waste.

Things like this are why I oppose nuclear energy.
It cost too much.

I would rather see a massive increase in drilling for oil and natural gas and bunches of natural gas powered power plants spring up.

Drill, Baby Drill!
Build Keystone XL

(Granted I don't know if that is even possible now that Canada would rather run cover for the cartels, human traffickers and drug pushers than assist their largest trading partner.)

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