Why do libs keep saying 'deportation bad'?

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Whenever I try to bring this up to someone, especially family, they immediately shut it down with "well Mexicans do the jobs we don't want to do". While I understand that argument, I don't think it makes sense from an economic standpoint.
From the way I understand things, we currently have an unemployment rate of about 4%. Which means that there are people who currently don't have jobs. If you then deport people who are currently here illegally, it stands to reason that 4% of people would slowly trickle into the now vacant "shitty" jobs that the deported previously occupied.
Because of this, the average amount of wealth in the country would then be divided among fewer people. Is this not the case? I feel like I'm missing something.

Edit: Something other than because immigrants generally vote blue is what I mean btw.
 
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That 4 percent doesn't want those jobs, bro. More likely case, the loss of a cheap labor force prompts these factories and production focused facilities to automate faster, decreasing the need for manual labor jobs currently filled by Americans.
I had considered that as well, but that seems like more of a long term goal where people would simply filter out of production and agriculture jobs and into other industries. I am coming from a Stellaris based economic education mind you, so I'm probably wrong lol.
 
It’s some big number, like 770k? But that’s how many people you need to gain a seat for your state in the House of Representatives.

We have almost deported 800k nationwide already. Mostly blue districts.

Dems are rightly panicking. They have switched to illegals since Reagan ravaged their colons in 1984, and maybe even before that with the 1972 republican blow out.

If we can remove the parasites and shore up our border and other points of entry more, we may have snuffed out the DNC’s viability in 2030 and beyond when the census will be taken again.

And I don’t even like republicans or trump very much, but if they can harm the Democrats, they have my vote. This isn’t a partisan mentality, or an “own the libs” mentality. It is stop the people trying to fucking kill us mentality.
 
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I had considered that as well, but that seems like more of a long term goal where people would simply filter out of production and agriculture jobs and into other industries. I am coming from a Stellaris based economic education mind you, so I'm probably wrong lol.
Labor post automation won't be moved in a ratio of 1 to 1. If we replace a thousand jobs with 300 robots, we'll only hire 30 engineers. We'll see AI do the same thing to a lot of creative, convenience, and organizational jobs in the near future as well.
Replace a thousand assistants, sorters, bureaucrats with a few hundred slightly different AI's and automated programs, but only hire a few coders and programmers to babysit and optimize them
 
>General oikophobia and the corresponding xenophilia common among the cultural left
>Poor foreigners doing thankless work makes them morally sympathetic to middle class+ sheltered kids
>Many normal people who aren't online all the time only get news about deportations a headline at a time and the media has deliberately conflated illegal immigration with all immigrants
>Hitler is Satan in the progressive liberal religion and anything that can be easily alluded to resembling his actions, such as agents of the state seizing members mostly of one ethnicity and kicking them out of the country gets them to leap alllll the way to the trains and gas chambers being right around the corner for legal Hispanics as well
 
the loss of a cheap labor force prompts these factories and production focused facilities to automate faster, decreasing the need for manual labor jobs currently filled by Americans.
Some manufacturing simply can't be automated, and more can only be done so at a cost that is far higher than it would be when done by hand.
 
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>General oikophobia
See that bothers me too. It would seem rational for your political party to mainly have the interests of the country you live in as your main priority. While I do understand the humanitarian angle of, "we have more, so we should give to the less fortunate", right now it doesn't seem like we're really doing much better than any other country. Well, excluding 3rd worlds like our neighbors.
 
See that bothers me too. It would seem rational for your political party to mainly have the interests of the country you live in as your main priority. While I do understand the humanitarian angle of, "we have more, so we should give to the less fortunate", right now it doesn't seem like we're really doing much better than any other country. Well, excluding 3rd worlds like our neighbors.
How long since you have been in an education institution, public or private? Because, with the rare exception, the ovearching narrative of how our country's history is taught centers around a 250 year long journey to overcome the sins present at its founding.
To say nothing of the very common desire for the economically privileged to view demographically poor populations as morally superior for their poverty as part of their guilt complex for their own better standing.
Lowkey I think it's why a lot of them fetishize the most run down, sketchy looking version of ethnic food while bemoaning the native equivalent as unhealthy, unsafe, and low class.
 
From the way I understand things, we currently have an unemployment rate of about 4%.
Are you sure it's 4% and not 35%?
While I do understand the humanitarian angle of, "we have more, so we should give to the less fortunate", right now it doesn't seem like we're really doing much better than any other country.
See youre making the same mistake that led people to the point it's at now. You should never have been asking "Do we have more resources than them?", when it comes to resources, that should never have been relevant. You don't want to give away resources whenever you have more than someone, especially if that someone is a third world country, that's a ticket straight to becoming a third world country yourself.
The question that is relevant to diverting resources to a foreign country should always have been "Do we have excess resources that we don't need ourselves?" And so long as your unemployment and your homelessness is above 0.0000%, the answer to that question is a definitive 'No'. Every apartment and house currently housing illegal immigrants for free, is a set of walls you could place a homeless person in. And every job in agriculture currently done by an illegal at slave tier rates (which they can only afford to do because you, the taxpayer, are paying all their bills) is a job that COULD go to a neet from your own country instead.

And on top of that, what you are doing with opening the border and letting illegals come in, goes far beyond giving away resources. You are crippling your own ability to generate said resources by letting them cause all these problems in your country (inflated health care system, driving up real estate price, flooding the labour market) and also relinquishing the ability to undo this damage because they are now voting in your elections and you can't get someone that even wants to undo the damage into positions of power anymore.
 
How long since you have been in an education institution, public or private? Because, with the rare exception, the ovearching narrative of how our country's history is taught centers around a 250 year long journey to overcome the sins present at its founding.
To say nothing of the very common desire for the economically privileged to view demographically poor populations as morally superior for their poverty as part of their guilt complex for their own better standing.
Lowkey I think it's why a lot of them fetishize the most run down, sketchy looking version of ethnic food while bemoaning the native equivalent as unhealthy, unsafe, and low class.
Only a couple months, but I wasn't really in any classes where they would discuss anything like that. Other than when we had to do the mandatory, "white people are taking too many jobs in tech" speeches from people. Which is the optimal time to continue listening to music.
I don't really view it as much as them feeling any sort of guilt. While there may be some that feel that way, I think people do it out of a more basic need to make themselves feel good and make sure other people see them as a good person.
If only we didn't have to justify being a morally positive person lol.
 
they immediately shut it down with "well Mexicans do the jobs we don't want to do".
What they really mean is "Mexicans do the jobs we don't want to do, because they will work for slave wages under constant fear of deportation." Pay an actual citizen what a job is actually worth, and you'll have workers.

Anyone who uses "they do the jobs we won't" as an argument is advocating for indentured servitude and slave labor in order to get cheaper prices. It's that simple.
 
Are you sure it's 4% and not 35%?
I'm pretty much just going off of google. That seems really high though. Now that I think about it, an increase in unemployment like that would for sure justify deportations.
You don't want to give away resources whenever you have more than someone
Yeah you're probably right. I'm always trying to think in a futurist perspective though. Unifying the globe and all that. I know it's naive, but I feel like if I'm not I'll turn doomer way too fast.
 
Whenever I try to bring this up to someone, especially family, they immediately shut it down with "well Mexicans do the jobs we don't want to do". While I understand that argument, I don't think it makes sense from an economic standpoint.
Because they were sold that argument years ago from lefty figures, including I think from Mark Cuban, that white educated people, particularly college kids, don't do service level jobs. I've heard varying debates about this, but that's not really the reason, it's just the justification. Then you add the racial tensions over the last few years that were hyped by the media and incendiary race groups who began to propagate the 'woke' idea that America is, has, and always will be a racist society. Then you add the most insidious element, which is what I fell under - the belief that Right-wing media, specifically Fox is misinformation and skewed to fit a conservative, regressionist narrative - the implication that they still hate black people and gays and whoever and all their politics are centred around that - and the biggest culprit of that is unfortunately Jon Stewart. This means that they assume liberal or Progressive media only tell the truth, partially helped that MSNBC seemed wonky nerds who were willing to make corrections.

This cements the final result - immigrants, minorities, being deported is bad, as absolutely ironclad, because they will simply assume whoever tells them otherwise is a racist or been misinformed. This is why Progressives in particular really struggle to accept that their beliefs are wrong - they have been trained to believe that their politics are ironclad and worthy based on what people tell them, and they find people disagreeing with that viscerally reprehensible because they assume they must be wrong, or worse. And thus little truisms like 'immigrants are doing jobs whites won't do' and 'America is an inherently racist country' become enshrined into people's minds. Chances are if you ask them for a source, they don't have an answer or give a partisan figure they believe to be centrist, or a numbers guy, the Nate Silver or Paul Krugman. They might give a figure, that's out of date, or out of context, in the same way that rape statistics at campuses were reported as so high,

I really doubt they think about practical realities of illegal immigration in any meaningful way, and I also suspect they don't know many outside of wealthier ones, it's just rout. It's a mental ecosystem of social indoctrination that they view as decent compassion.
 
well Mexicans do the jobs we don't want to do
Just to shit on this argument a little more. I once got a temp job at a factory that mostly hired eastern Europeans (our Mexicans).

- Everyone there was on a temp contract even if they'd been there for years they were forced into resigning a contract every 6 months to attempt to skirt employment protections.
- The PPE the company is mandated to supply was locked in a cupboard and people that had been there years knew nothing about it.
- The coffee machine was a vending machine with a hefty markup on everything including water.
- The kitchen/cafeteria was not large enough for all staff and there was one kettle and one microwave for 75+ staff.
- Health and safety regulations on heavy goods handling were broken on the daily because they were too cheap to buy more pallet trucks/carts.
- Pay was not commensurate with the work.

There are a half a dozen more problems that sound even more whiny but were either outright breaches of regulation or just absolutely shitty to employees. Even when these place pay minimum wage they're profiting from the ignorance of foreign staff.
 
Labor post automation won't be moved in a ratio of 1 to 1. If we replace a thousand jobs with 300 robots, we'll only hire 30 engineers. We'll see AI do the same thing to a lot of creative, convenience, and organizational jobs in the near future as well.
Replace a thousand assistants, sorters, bureaucrats with a few hundred slightly different AI's and automated programs, but only hire a few coders and programmers to babysit and optimize them
You talk like a black guy, have the name of a zoomer tranny, an anime girl esque profile picture like one, and I have a hunch you unironically believe in "fully automated gay space communism" or some bs. You also seem to have a misunderstanding of what "AI" is, large language models are NOT capable of replacing jobs nor are we close to creating good algorithms to replace jobs, but that being said a lot of managerial and white collar jobs are bullshit and you could replace them with a rock and nothing would change.
Not all jobs can be replaced with "robots" or are even worth replacing by machines, shit like picking fruit CAN be automated and a lot of farmers just use 10x the amount of slaves/immigrants paid half the wage and without taxes instead of paying 1 American operating a machine a higher wage, shit like factory work like chicken packaging is already pretty automated but run by spics, which unfortunately do shittier work than actual Americans but factories like them because they don't have to pay taxes for paying them.

Edit: Something other than because immigrants generally vote blue is what I mean btw.
Generally libs or "progressives" think "deportation is bad" from what I've found, is usually because of some subconcious or not fully realized belief system. Unironically they simply do not think that hard about it, supporting poor "disenfranchised" folks is good, its been drilled into them that these people are just like you and me but had the unfortunate circumstance to be born poor and in another country, they think they are hard workers because its what keeps getting repeated. Therefore, it would be unsympathetic to deport them. Helping others is good, and helping people who are disenfranchised more so!
If they ever come up with reasons, its usually "they work jobs we don't want to!" (not true, employers don't want to pay at wages where people would work the job, and illegals can get away getting paid less because no taxes, no social security payments, free healthcare, government benefits, etc.). They might say "We need them for the economy to grow!" Importing people brings up gdp, kinda, depends on the study, but its not exactly a good metric, india has a big gdp but its a GOD AWFUL country, it does allow for lower wages though. They might also say "our birth rates are low! and we need more people to pay taxes/social security to support the elderly!" But, immigrants end up taking more money than they put into taxes usually, and our birth rates are low because eurocacausians are shown to self regulate birth rates by quality of life/their environment, makes sense since you wouldn't want to pop out 8 kids if you can barely survive through the winter with what you have now, 8 kids and you all starve. In the end, they just don't think hard on it, go for group consensus, or want to do the "right" or "good" thing but end up misguided, worst case its virtue signaling and they go down a path of communist delusion if they live off their parents and never leave their room.
 
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