Why Do People Go To The Far Left And Far Right?

[feedtheoctopus]

People are arguably becoming more extreme because the current centrist opinion for politics is the neoliberal system we're currently living under, which pleases absolutely no-one bar the tiny minority of wealthy individuals at the top. When this is your default position, people are naturally going to begin to take interest in more fringe movements that are not only different from this current order, but actively hostile towards it.

We have so much exposure to media and such easy access to information in general these days that there's an argument that its kind of impossible to believe in anything with much actual sincerity. Because who do you trust when you are bombarded moment after moment with example after example of why everybody is kind of terrible and stupid?

That video is 8 years old and is only more relevant. Political extremism starts to make more sense when the only solution you can think of to anything anymore is "getting rid of THEM". Thing is nobody can agree on who "them" is anymore, so now things are just getting weirder and weirder.

 

[Certified_Autist]

This is a concept that has been floating around in my head for awhile. Will do my best to explain, but it may sound like word salad since I am retarded. TLDR is extremists are people who recognize the same problems, but have differing solutions.

Extremists are simply people who reject the mainstream narrative. There is a concept I call the "beautiful lies", which are things we lie about as a society, to get along with each other.

Modern mainstream “conservatism” along with mainstream “liberalism” are the biggest believers of the beautiful lies. The radical right and radical left, despite all their hatred for one another and their purportedly “extreme” views (relative to the rest of contemporary society), actually have a more logical worldview. They both see through the beautiful lies, but their differences are a product of different solutions to the lies.

An example of a "beautiful lie" is the concept that all groups are equal no matter what. It sounds nice on paper, and is encouraged for that reason, but is largely impossible in practice.

Applying this to the extremist divide: Rightists seek a rejection of the modern equality push entirely, seeing it as at best pointless and at worst an active attack on themselves. Leftists seek to maintain the equality push but redirect it into what they call “equity”. It is basically an admission that they are not equal, so they want society to compensate for that inequality, as opposed to treating them the same.

Both of these are a rejection of the "beautiful lie" that we are naturally equal, and that inequality is a product of society. Extreme Rightists don't believe equality is possible, period, since people are objectively fundamentally different. Extreme Leftists want something called "equity", so they believe (like the extreme right) that inequality is a product of objective fundamental differences that cannot be fixed by equality. I doubt very many of those leftists would put it in those words, but that is essentially the logical endpoint of their beliefs.

 

[LucyZhang]

why are people listening to chinese generals? Chinese are not known for beeing good at war, their go to tactic for 3000 years always was sending in wave after wave of badly trained farmers.

The Tao Te Ching is the basis for Taoism, more of a book on dualism, philosophy and metaphysics.

However, the "Art of War" is still relevant. Military commanders still read it. If you've ever played a wargame or ran a street gang, you might find it useful. It may even be employed for better or worse in the medical fields.

Regarding the famers sent to their deaths? King Edward said it best (and most horribly) in Braveheart "Arrows cost money. Use up the Irish. The dead cost nothing."

Lastly, even good advice can come from bad places. My mother always said don't do drugs, even while doing them.

 

[Isaac]

Because people are dumb. They're dumb enough to believe in gods and religion. Dumb enough to believe in easy answer politics systems.

People are dumb.

You are less intelligent than you think, and you should stop speaking.

 

[Stoneheart]

However, the "Art of War" is still relevant. Military commanders still read it. If you've ever played a wargame or ran a street gang, you might find it useful. It may even be employed for better or worse in the medical fields.

Idiots still read it. its not much more than a poetry book. the other The art of War is much more detailed.
maybe militairy commanders wouldnt get BTFOed if the read the good Art of War or the even more detailed "On War"

Regarding the famers sent to their deaths? King Edward said it best (and most horribly) in Braveheart "Arrows cost money. Use up the Irish. The dead cost nothing."

the Irish were Vermin, not Farmers.

Lastly, even good advice can come from bad places. My mother always said don't do drugs, even while doing them.

Thats not good advice, she just knew that you are a fag that couldnt handle drugs.

 

[urr13 account]

Why don't more people become far left or far right instead of just being middle-of-the-road normie faggots their whole life?

 

[LeChampion1992]

I'm "far right" but it's not born out of any identity I associate myself with. It's born out of a genuine desire for a better world for me and my eventual children.

Are you really far right though? I mean at the end of the day you're probably not a fascist in belief but maybe a slightly racist liberal at most. What is labeled far right and what isn't aren't the same thing.


@Mr Zhukov the thing I've noticed is what their motivations are. For the far right and left you can tell what their motivations are almost by their class.

It's like a reverse bell curve the more or less educated and or wealthy they are or those in the extreme end of the top tend to be far right. Basically you're barely litterate cousin and the
future fortune 500 prodigy tend to be attracted to the far right.

But if you look at people in the middle in education and class tend to overhelmingly be attracted to the fringe left. There is a reason most college students and bureaucrats love socialist policies.

The far right seems to be motivated by a realization that they have no future in most of their respective countries. In many ways they want to foment change not to dissimilar from young leftist of the early twentieth century.

The far left is one that is a reactionary against counter revolutionary movements. Those who are too dumb or ideological can't see that the reality om the ground is different from

In a weird way modern leftism is more reactionary in nature while the modern far right seems to want to foment revolution almost.

To make it short with the far left essentially being given carte blanche in western society on social issues post 2010 we have seen society polarize. So we have a society that is economically right wing but so far socially left wing that it's bourgeoisie in a sense.

This is why an overeducated sheltered middle class Toronto person who makes a 6 figure salery will unironically believe they're the working class because they once has a job at McDonald's for 2 weeks in college before quitting so they could smoke weed with friends.

But these people without a sense of irony will call some tow truck driver who makes barely enough to keep the lights on a privileged dumb dumb.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I followed a similar pathway. I was a "bright kid" who got sucked into this stuff as a way to find meaning in my life and explain all the problems I saw in the world. I became so angry/hateful and unable to relate to normal people. While my views have moderated somewhat, I think what really changed me for the better is that I stopped caring. Nobody is coming to save us, and there is nobody worth fighting for except your own family, friends, and community. I just try to live a fulfilling life and be a good person to the extent I can. I believe that leftists nowadays call this idea the "grillpill".

I remember having this weird moment where I gave my typical "analysis" that you get about 3 beers deep into the sixpack. When I got the look. This specific look is something every profoundly mentally ill person gets at least once(I'm powerleveling anyway, I'm a coocoo for cocopuffs, whatever). This look will come when, even if you are in reasonably good mood by your standards, you will make the terrible mistake of telling somebody how you feel. Always a bad move, let me tell you. Drains the energy out of the party right quick. Anyway the look is a unique mix of truly profound sadness and concern with a little bit of dread and confusion sprinkled on top. It's the "should I call his family and hide the Tylenol?" kind of look.

God help me, I am loved by enough people that they feel concern for me and their concern makes me feel concerned for them.

Anyway, so I get that look, then they follow it up with the question "Do you really think people are that horrible?"

You want to talk about a statement to make you feel like a total and complete fucking asshole, there it is. Because I actually think they're worse than that.

 

[Question Mark]

 

[whogoesthere]

I think the far right has a very appealing nature because they are the only ones willing to talk about subjects the corporate media are avoiding. The wholesale denigration of white men in all media forms is going to have a knock on effect, those men who are bombarded with images of white men being pathetic, and ENDLESS race mixing which only seems to feature some nigger and a white woman, its going to push you to harder responses.

People know that the major parties are little more than television shows made to create the illusion of democracy. The elite will do as they please, avarice rules these wretched creatures, and they are bound by no laws. They see this and consider that the time for polite political change is well in the past. All that is left for some people, is going further into the extremes because they at least are willing to address the issues and by the nature of them being outsiders, are not afraid of touching on taboo subjects.

We saw this in the UK time and time again. The last major event was the muslim rape gangs. It was spoken about for decades before it was known, people mocked those as "EDL losers talking about islamic ray guns lololol" and dismissed them because Ian Hislop made a funny joke about them on the telly. Then it was brought to the front of peoples minds and its harder to ignore the large number of young white girls being raped, the police failing to do anything, and politicians pretending any talk about it as racist. People remember this shit, many people have to live with this shit, so over time their views become harder and harder as no corporate backed party or media company will even address it. Fuck, they even condemn anyone talking about it as racists.

 

[Ser Prize]

Are you really far right though? I mean at the end of the day you're probably not a fascist in belief but maybe a slightly racist liberal at most. What is labeled far right and what isn't aren't the same thing.


@Mr Zhukov the thing I've noticed is what their motivations are. For the far right and left you can tell what their motivations are almost by their class.

It's like a reverse bell curve the more or less educated and or wealthy they are or those in the extreme end of the top tend to be far right. Basically you're barely litterate cousin and the
future fortune 500 prodigy tend to be attracted to the far right.

But if you look at people in the middle in education and class tend to overhelmingly be attracted to the fringe left. There is a reason most college students and bureaucrats love socialist policies.

The far right seems to be motivated by a realization that they have no future in most of their respective countries. In many ways they want to foment change not to dissimilar from young leftist of the early twentieth century.

The far left is one that is a reactionary against counter revolutionary movements. Those who are too dumb or ideological can't see that the reality om the ground is different from

In a weird way modern leftism is more reactionary in nature while the modern far right seems to want to foment revolution almost.

To make it short with the far left essentially being given carte blanche in western society on social issues post 2010 we have seen society polarize. So we have a society that is economically right wing but so far socially left wing that it's bourgeoisie in a sense.

This is why an overeducated sheltered middle class Toronto person who makes a 6 figure salery will unironically believe they're the working class because they once has a job at McDonald's for 2 weeks in college before quitting so they could smoke weed with friends.

But these people without a sense of irony will call some tow truck driver who makes barely enough to keep the lights on a privileged dumb dumb.

I hate to use the term but you're correct that I'm a racist liberal in the classical sense in many ways. The unfortunate reality being that still constitutes as 'far right' these days.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I hate to use the term but you're correct that I'm a racist liberal in the classical sense in many ways. The unfortunate reality being that still constitutes as 'far right' these days.

There was a YouTuber who described Marxism as liberalism in decay.

To be blunt Liberalism promoted meritocracy which promotes heriarchys of competency. Marxism is antithetical to heriarchy. Many children of liberals become Marxist as they become disgusted with the natural inequity in society. As for the right it exists on a scale of moderates to hard reactionaries. I'd you don't have a system which balances out the 5 moral traits well it tends to be skewed.

Being far right or left isn't bad if one can acknowledge their biases and understand history one can temper their ideologies.

A good hard right leader is Bismark a monarchist turned nationalist.

A good hard left leader would be a Albert spier. I think one needs to learn to learn that leaders win over those who oppose them or convince them to fall into line.

 

[LucyZhang]

Idiots still read it. its not much more than a poetry book. the other The art of War is much more detailed.
maybe militairy commanders wouldnt get BTFOed if the read the good Art of War or the even more detailed "On War"

Which "other" Art of War Book? You've got me interested.

the Irish were Vermin, not Farmers.

There was enough food left over from the lands for the rats so the fat English didn't have to fuck with them. They got fucked back on occasion too. Lots of fucking.

Thats not good advice, she just knew that you are a fag that couldnt handle drugs.

What's wrong with faggots who don't do drugs? Don't judge my dick until you've tried it, faggot.

 

[Stoneheart]

Which "other" Art of War Book? You've got me interested.

Machiavelli has a book of the same name

 

[b0x]

I think the far right has a very appealing nature because they are the only ones willing to talk about subjects the corporate media are avoiding. The wholesale denigration of white men in all media forms is going to have a knock on effect, those men who are bombarded with images of white men being pathetic, and ENDLESS race mixing which only seems to feature some nigger and a white woman, its going to push you to harder responses.

I used to be quite apolitical. But just from noticing things in real life and in news and online, I started to wonder. Why is this happening? Why do all the ads have blacks in them when 90% of that countrys population is white? Shouldn't they be trying to get as many people to buy that product as possible? Then you see the journalists peddling the bizarre stories about decolonizing videogames and movies, among everything else, what about selling videogames? Then you find the academics writing up the papers that are the basis. Then you run into the NGO's funding the on the ground activists. Then you run into the Government implementing the policies. Then you run into the WEF. Then you realize some powerful people, are pushing a particular agenda. They are trying to force something, and they are pushing so hard you notice.

Me simply admitting I notice these things would brand me far right in the MSM. And yet I don't think of myself that way.

 

[Retired Junta Member]

Many reasons but mostly because extremes promise you things: a group, the chance of actually doing something, a chance for power, whatever.

It’s not necessarily a modern thing, people have always worked this way.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Because the center has nothing of value amd accomplishes nothing.

 

[Ser Prize]

Because the center has nothing of value amd accomplishes nothing.

The sad reality of the centre is that it's short for "left in 5 years".

 

[GHTD]

TL;DR extreme autism and too much Internet

 

[Afinepickle]

Because culturally we're well passed the point where moderation and talks can accomplish anything. We are currently as a culture here in the west at an ideological crossroads and we have to pick one; globalism or nationalism and then all of the political subdivisions that will come with that choice will follow. The extremism to either the right or the left we see today is simply people figuring out which side of the line in the sand they stand on.