Why do the Japanese hate Christianity? - The Samurai fears the Cross

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One of the most common tropes in Japanese media is having an evil religion that's basically a copy of medieval Christianity (whether in modern day, the past or the future). At best it will have the faith "only" be corrupted from the original teaching, at worse it's made by Cthulu to eat humanity.
So my question is, why is that fixation with Christianity as evil? It's not like Japan (or any other country) was a bastion of stability before Christianity came (quite the opposite).
 
Because Christianity threatened to overtake Shintoism/Buddhism during the Age of Discovery. That being said they seem to be mostly neutral on it nowadays
 
If anything, it’s not that they hate Christianity — they just hate the fact that the religion has been subverted and manipulated into something that does not reflect the teachings and wisdom as Jesus Christ.

Plus as @Joe Swanson said, Buddhism still reigns as the top religion over there, so it’s not a surprise why they put it as the weaker version of religion.
 
From NGE to Pokemon they seem to reference it a lot like they are fascinated by it, not angry about it.
It's mostly used as window dressing in anime, and poorly understood window dressing.

Eva has more to do with Buddhist beliefs (repeating cycles, all returns to nothing) than anything Christian. Christian imagery was used to make it stand out, along with all the DNA/gene names (central dogma).

Xenosaga is where you want to go for a literal Jesus cameo and even then, it's some weird multidimensional anime stuff.
 
Counter to that, Hellsing, where Christianity of both Protestant and Catholic brands is a super bad ass force of monster killing.

I think part of it comes down to being exotic and foreign with a colorful history and interesting iconography and architecture. I mean priestly vestments and gothic cathedrals...Warhammer 40k gets a lot of mileage out of the same thing.
 
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Look in to Hidden Christians from the Edo/Meiji restoration periods, they had a flirtation with Christianity from trading with the Nanban(Dutch/Portuguese) while under their period of Isolationism.

The Shogunate cracked down hard as fuck on them, there's an episode of Samurai Champloo about it where they discover a covenant of Hidden Christians.

My Japanese teacher from high school was very in to that period of persecution so she made us do a whole study on it.

It's actually a fairly interesting sect as they had no real guidance towards worship so after a while they really started to deviate from standard forms of worship you usually see in Christianity.
 
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Christianity was spreading like wildfire for a while, it was pretty brutally suppressed, and after that it was pretty much done.
There was also the issue that Japan, and all of Asia really, felt slighted and humiliated by not being treated as equals by the european powers, and they saw Christianity as another tool of whitey to colonize and subvert them. I mean, Christianity is persecuted in China to this very day.
 
Because Christianity threatened to overtake Shintoism/Buddhism during the Age of Discovery. That being said they seem to be mostly neutral on it nowadays
They basically hated anything that threatened to undermine the stability derived from viewing the Emperor as a divine being, which is also why they were fanatically anti-communist during the Imperial era. Probably even moreso than the Nazis were, because for the Japanese the hatred wasn't tainted/distracted by the racial elements of its origin.
 
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Because Christianity, the religion of peace and preaching the Good News first spread in Japan through the selling of guns lol
To paint a very bare picture, early on the japs loved Christianity during the unification period of crazy ass civil war, because they could help warlords get guns and with them an edge over those who do not have guns.
When Japan was unified, there's little need for war anymore, so Christianity's influence came short. Worse yet, as in most all authortarian, for lack of a better term, nations, the leading sovereign or military boss has to have supreme rule over everything and some foreign dudes who speak broken japanese about some carpenter who is literally God and loves the meek and poor instead of the bloodthirsty and full of their own shit, that shit don't fly. So the best way to cut all this repentance nonsense is some good old violent persecution, followed by hundreds of years of isolation. All the while Christianity became kind of a ninja thing where you had to keep it to yourself.
Japs are weird with Christianity, like with everything else lol
They don't hate it, they're just suspicious of it, but also enamored with its mysteries and aesthetics.
I think it'll catch on eventually.
 
They don't have God that far East. Same reason Russia and Ukraine are so predisposed to Nazism and Jewery, and China is full of roaches pretending to be human beings.
 
It had a fascinating if tragic history in japan, but nowdays I dont think its hated. Japan is just so traditional and big on image, that people dont practice publicly.

Interesting fact: If Oda Nobunaga hadn't been assassinated, Christianity might have gotten more traction and respect . Dude was a brutal ruler, who had a habit of burning buddest temples and wholesale massacring people, but he harbored a fascination and admiration for the missionary's and western tech in general. To the point where he's recorded as wearing medieval armor and clothing. I hesistate to compare him to someone like Hitler or a traditional western dictator, but its interesting how such a mass killer admired and tolerated Christian teachings.

After he was assassinated by a general pissed off at his genocide, his best man Toyotomi Hideyoshi took over and let the power and paranoia get to his head. He's responsible for starting the mass exile and killings of converted Christians. Sad bit of irony.



I think nowadays with all the exaggerated catholic anime, they seem more fascinated by the appeal more then anything else.


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I had a friend visited Japan back in 2019 I believe (just before wuflu I know that much), they found a notable amount of people who at least alleged to practicing some form of Christianity (usually I was told they were either a catholic or a protestant) and tried to get people to convert and all that sort of noise. They even had to deal with some crazy Jehovah's Witnesses following them around to talk about whatever the heck they want like crazy stalkers. So take that however you want. From what I was told, the more you leave the major cities and you get into the country side the more likely you'll find Japanese practicing some sect of Christianity.

One of the biggest cult classic jrpg series, the Trails series, has the literal catholic church renamed, and one of the main party members one of that series' arcs is named "Father Kevin" who is effectively a catholic father with a typical jrpg twist.

Japan also likes to use Gnosticism ideas, another sect of Christianity, because it frankly makes a very good segway into a final boss where you fight God. One of the most popular recent examples of this is Persona 5 where you fight a boss named after one of the most common names for the Demiurge who is iirc meant to be the old testament God in Gnosticism.

I don't think Japan hates western religion persay, at least enough for it to a massive problem as Japan is xenophobic as fuck to at least some extent, they just love using basic ideas and surface level things they see in western history/media, which is why they'll just have a light sword named Excalibur just cause without any attempt to reference Arthurian legend. Or literally any other random legendary sword they take from some western folklore or mythos (Durandal, Flamburge, Vorpal Sword, some other obscure Arthurian thing, etc). Japan sometimes just outright steals western names and almost doesn't learn what the fuck they mean or represent. So you just get someone named some greek name for no other reason then some writer went "That name sounds cool!". So they probably heard stories about say the catholic church doing bad things like 500 years ago and were like "Write that down!!!".

Japan if anything is at least fascinated by aspects of western culture considering how much they try to take from our folklore and mythos when they aren't wanking off samurai, yokai, or some other Japanese shit (like saying how they dindu nuffin in WW2).

Interesting fact: If Oda Nobunaga hadn't been assassinated, Christianity might have gotten more traction and respect . Dude was a brutal ruler, who had a habit of burning buddest temples and wholesale massacring people, but he harbored a fascination and admiration for the missionary's and western tech in general. To the point where he's recorded as wearing medieval armor and clothing. I hesistate to compare him to someone like Hitler or a traditional western dictator, but its interesting how such a mass killer admired and tolerated Christian teachings.
Oda Nobunaga wasn't that special for his actions relative to the rest of his peers, he just did them better and more often then his competitors at the time, but he wasn't unique he was just more effective. Their was a story where a Takeda(?) general iirc set 3000 skulls across a battle field outside a castle and sent a message to an under maned castle that was about to be sieged saying effectively "Your reinforcements aren't coming" like a dick because he killed them prior to his siege on the castle. Also the main temple most people talk about Nobunaga burning iirc was burned less then 100 years prior so it being burned isn't that special. Japan was crazy fucked in that time period, Oda was just the winner and thus he made the most waves so he gets the most credit for good and for ill.

The whole "demon" thing that gets used a lot nowadays in media was based on when he sent a reply letter to an opponent that effectively boils down to trash talk as he called himself the "Demon King of the Sixth Heaven" which is a buddhist thing that I forgot exactly what it means, but it roughly translates to "I'm a fucking badass, come at me."
 
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A big factor for religion in general in Japan is the lasting effect of Aum Shinrikyo's sarin gas attack in a subway. That scared a lot of Japanese people off of religion and anxiety around it exists to this day. To my understanding traditional Japanese beliefs aren't really factored in as "religion", in comparison to things like Christianity and Islam.
 
It's nowhere near as suppressed in Japan than it is in China. The thing is Japan never observed the crucifixion of Jesus, The Roman Empire, the Medieval Times, etc. They were half way past the globe so for the longest time they're not familiar and have not received the word of god. That's why they're confused. It wasn't until the 16th century when Christianity was brought into Japan but at that time it was almost completely alien to the Japanese.
 
It had a fascinating if tragic history in japan, but nowdays I dont think its hated. Japan is just so traditional and big on image, that people dont practice publicly.

Interesting fact: If Oda Nobunaga hadn't been assassinated, Christianity might have gotten more traction and respect . Dude was a brutal ruler, who had a habit of burning buddest temples and wholesale massacring people, but he harbored a fascination and admiration for the missionary's and western tech in general. To the point where he's recorded as wearing medieval armor and clothing. I hesistate to compare him to someone like Hitler or a traditional western dictator, but its interesting how such a mass killer admired and tolerated Christian teachings.

After he was assassinated by a general pissed off at his genocide, his best man Toyotomi Hideyoshi took over and let the power and paranoia get to his head. He's responsible for starting the mass exile and killings of converted Christians. Sad bit of irony.



I think nowadays with all the exaggerated catholic anime, they seem more fascinated by the appeal more then anything else.


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It's nowhere near as suppressed in Japan than it is in China. The thing is Japan never observed the crucifixion of Jesus, The Roman Empire, the Medieval Times, etc. They were half way past the globe so for the longest time they're not familiar and have not received the word of god. That's why they're confused. It wasn't until the 16th century when Christianity was brought into Japan but at that time it was almost completely alien to the Japanese.
Korea has a large Christian population too. I think it would’ve spread in China if the communists hadn’t suppressed it. Hell they had a Civil War over some guy claiming to be Jesus’s brother
 
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