Why do you lean left?

[stupid orc]

to get pussy, no it didn't work.

 

[H3LLH4MM3R666]

Sorry, but President Trump was not a dictator. He is a blowhard..but not once did he remove a single line from the Bill of Rights or the Constitution. Please pull your head out of your ass

You misunderstand, I said that trump isn't a fascist. He's just an incompetent president

 

[Kornula]

You misunderstand, I said that trump isn't a fascist. He's just an incompetent president

Nope

 

[Truman the Jewman]

You misunderstand, I said that trump isn't a fascist. He's just an incompetent president

Franklin Pierce was an incompetent president. Trump just hurt people's fee-fees because he's an old man. You think he's bad? You should have heard my great grandpa talk about the Japanese after fighting them in the Pacific. That was some un-PC shit

 

[Indefinite_Ordered_Sets]

I've grown too fast, so now having some problem with posture, but its almost unnoticeable.

 

[Soulless4510]

Because of how I was raised and I obviously lean left, I do see the value of conservatism, but the problem is I've seen conservatism morph into one of the biggest grifts this side of the Mason Dixie.

Now don't get me wrong the left has its share of grifters and most of them are low cows on this site but it seems to me many people have forgotten how just unrelentingly hypocritical the right has been over the past 40 years.

And now it seems the only people who have any common sense left are The ones getting drowned out by social media by Facebook, Google, Twitter, and et cetera and et cetera. I have no idea how you can get out of it because everything else has become just so combative. But maybe it always has been this way and now we just have it in 4K so who knows.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I am an independent these days for the most part who supported Bernie in 2016 and shifted to Trump in 2020 since he supported old school left wing policies like tariffs, reducing immigration, making a serious attempt to end the forever wars and trying to bring some sense of nationalism back that old school progressives supported in the early 1900s. Many of Trump's positions are former Democrat positions before Neoliberalism and Reagan happened.

 

[Nigger Respecter]

I want workers to get paid more and I want no one to ever have to worry about their healthcare. Also I think the defense budget could be a hell of a lot smaller. Beyond that though, I don't care too much if people have guns or whatever. I also think most of the identity politic shit on the left has no goal in mind beyond some neverending search for "inclusivity." I'm sitting in the unfortunate position of finding most people on the far right to be amoral monsters but pretty chill to interact with, while the people that are on the far left (where I am "supposed" to be) are some of the most pathetic fucking weasels on the planet and I hate pretty much everything they do, even if we are on the same page about some things. Fuck

 

[H3LLH4MM3R666]

Franklin Pierce was an incompetent president. Trump just hurt people's fee-fees because he's an old man. You think he's bad? You should have heard my great grandpa talk about the Japanese after fighting them in the Pacific. That was some un-PC shit

Trump saying offensive things is at the bottom of my list of concerns. He's not as bad as Bush was, but still not good.

 

[My world my rules]

I consider myself slightly left leaning because i tend to agree with the general left's politics more than the right's general ideals. But in recent time it's all become so fuzzy with radical leftists growing louder and louder. But that doesn't change my core values. I won't judge you if you do not hold the same ideals as me, just don't be a scumbag about it, nothing is perfect at it's core.

 

[Hepativore]

This is going to be relatively long as I just found this thread and it is hard to cram all of my opinions into one post.

I am an American, so I do not know how things are in other countries, but I consider myself a progressive leftist. While the SJWs and "wokeness" have left a bad taste in many people's mouths, in terms of how people perceive the "left" in my country, I think that the biggest threat to individual freedom and liberty is wealth inequality and how much power private corporations have in regards to control over the political system as well as the rise of corporate censorship.

As many have pointed out, when people refer to the political left, that can mean being socially liberal but economically conservative, or socially conservative but economically liberal or both. There is a lot of confusion about what being on the political left actually means, especially in my country. This is because while the Republican party is generally conservative in both the social and economic sense, the Democratic party is largely center-right when it comes to economic issues and foreign policy and masquerades as a left-leaning party by cloaking itself in woke language and intent while doing little to nothing to help people who are poor and reducing the income gap. They also get just as much money for their electoral campaigns as the Republicans do, albeit from different industries. The modern Democratic party is not the party of FDR anymore as it has been taken over by Third Way Democrats since the late-1980's and has since been "liberal" in the neoliberal sense. Overall, while I think the political left has largely won and has dominated American social and cultural narratives since the 1960's, the political right has largely won when it comes to things like economic issues, foreign policy, law enforcement, labor issues, etc.

Regardless of which of the two parties are in charge, we have let corporations basically erode labor rights, wasted huge amounts of money and lives on pointless military adventures, ignored the fourth amendment because of warrantless surveillance from both public and private institutions, increased income inequality, gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy and allowed corporate tax havens overseas, allowed healthcare to be legalized corporate fraud, and let housing costs skyrocket. I consider myself a leftist because I disagree with all of the above, and while I hate how SJWs and the woke have jumped on the censorship bandwagon, I am all for civil rights and free speech. However, unlike SJWs, I do not think that anybody should be bullied, harassed, or canceled for their personal opinions no matter how offensive I might find them to be as long as nobody is directly threatened with harm or violence.

Finally, here are some older videos that explain the dichotomy between SJWs and true leftists. It is somewhat confusing because while "left" and "liberal" are used interchangeably by many people in my country, they have come to mean different things for reasons I talked about above.

 

[Niggernerd]

I have severe brain damage and get easily flustered by facts, criticism and people not giving me praise for shit i didn't do.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Because I wish to be a cholo?

 

[The-Patriarchy]

Once upon a time I would've been considered a left-leaning centrist who leaned right on some issues. Over time I've seen the overton window shift so far left that I'm considered to be basically Hitler without changing a single position.

Now I've shifted "Down" more towards libertarian. (left is... left, right irght, up is authoritarian, down is libertarian.

I'm also only moderately leaning libertarian- I support reasonable "fair" regulation- if it is the minimally impacting regulation to encourage fairness. I think there is room for some liberal positions, and some conservative positions, if personal freedom is respected above all- I am all for gun rights (outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns!), I am actually pro-choice (mostly- abortions get really disturbing the longer a pregancy is allowed to go but I recognize there are medical situations, or even rape/incest scenarios that make me unwilling to ban choice), I am mostly fiscally conservative, I would like to see a viable universal healthcare- but one that actually works cant pop into existence out of nowhere and would have to gradually evolve as we move closer to post-scarcity. I would be more open to the more moderate left positions if we were in a post-scarcity society, but when resources are limited, there are realities that are better addressed through fair competitive practices. I'd like to see poverty go away, but it will never go away by arbitrarily wishing more money into existence and handing it out or mandating higher minimum wages. The path I see that works is improving education, creating more opportunities, and giving more guidance to finding viable opportunities. Some people will still fail, but our current educational system and the way we hire and train for jobs is somewhat dysfunctional ad convinces many people that they can't succeed- meanwhile people who are really not competent can still succeed- not because of systemic racism like some would preach, but because the system is dysfunctional in general and can be intentionally or unintentionally gamed. An educational system that spends more effort on helping people find their niche and get their careers off the ground would have more value than the sink or swim system we have now.

I also fully recognize that the more idealistic things I'd like to see are not things that can be instantly willed into existence and have any expectation of working. Most of the left these days seems to have developed the idea that you can make any system you want in the blink of an eye by just wishing it to be so, which is a gross oversimplification of reality, bordering on delusion.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker]

Since in 2021 the words lost all meaning idk who I am anymore.

1) I am pro-choice
2) I am pro speech, even if we have Taliban on one side and tranny fag on the other
2) I am pro LGB's rights to form unions and adopt kids
3) I am totally against prides and other public degeneracy. Want to get fisted in public - get your 100 lashes.
4) I am pro-gun (sadly in my shithole country we don't have that)
5) Laissez-faire for middle and small business, and antimonopoly regulations for large (Apple and Google, get fucked)

I'd day it make me a libertarian, but in a modern twatter terms I'm probably a nazi.

 

[Duke Nukem]

to get pussy, no it didn't work.

Why would you want pussy from leftists? Democrat and Communist (yeah yeah same thing now, I know) women are fucking ugly.

This is going to be relatively long as I just found this thread and it is hard to cram all of my opinions into one post.

I am an American, so I do not know how things are in other countries, but I consider myself a progressive leftist. While the SJWs and "wokeness" have left a bad taste in many people's mouths, in terms of how people perceive the "left" in my country, I think that the biggest threat to individual freedom and liberty is wealth inequality and how much power private corporations have in regards to control over the political system as well as the rise of corporate censorship.

As many have pointed out, when people refer to the political left, that can mean being socially liberal but economically conservative, or socially conservative but economically liberal or both. There is a lot of confusion about what being on the political left actually means, especially in my country. This is because while the Republican party is generally conservative in both the social and economic sense, the Democratic party is largely center-right when it comes to economic issues and foreign policy and masquerades as a left-leaning party by cloaking itself in woke language and intent while doing little to nothing to help people who are poor and reducing the income gap. They also get just as much money for their electoral campaigns as the Republicans do, albeit from different industries. The modern Democratic party is not the party of FDR anymore as it has been taken over by Third Way Democrats since the late-1980's and has since been "liberal" in the neoliberal sense. Overall, while I think the political left has largely won and has dominated American social and cultural narratives since the 1960's, the political right has largely won when it comes to things like economic issues, foreign policy, law enforcement, labor issues, etc.

Regardless of which of the two parties are in charge, we have let corporations basically erode labor rights, wasted huge amounts of money and lives on pointless military adventures, ignored the fourth amendment because of warrantless surveillance from both public and private institutions, increased income inequality, gave massive tax breaks to the wealthy and allowed corporate tax havens overseas, allowed healthcare to be legalized corporate fraud, and let housing costs skyrocket. I consider myself a leftist because I disagree with all of the above, and while I hate how SJWs and the woke have jumped on the censorship bandwagon, I am all for civil rights and free speech. However, unlike SJWs, I do not think that anybody should be bullied, harassed, or canceled for their personal opinions no matter how offensive I might find them to be as long as nobody is directly threatened with harm or violence.

Finally, here are some older videos that explain the dichotomy between SJWs and true leftists. It is somewhat confusing because while "left" and "liberal" are used interchangeably by many people in my country, they have come to mean different things for reasons I talked about above.

SJWs and progressives in general aren't actual liberals, they are authoritarians who have stolen and perverted the word for their own ends.

I used to be leftist, maybe somewhat Communist, because my parents were leftists (and tragically still are). Being born and raised in that stuff tragically skews your sense of morality.

I bought into the whole spiel about combating poverty, racism, inequality, corporate influence in society, etc., but as time went on I realized that Obama was in fact NOT going to repeal the Patriot Act or other bullshit that 9/11 spawned. This whole grab for emergency powers is what made me side with the Democrats in the first place, at least in the hope that all that shit would be retracted.

But no, Obama didn't do jackshit except bask in adoration and not get on pulling us out of Iraq and Afghanistan (in an orderly manner of course). Oh, and the extrajudicial killings of American citizens overseas (which would, regardless of what the accused had done, open up a new can of worms and create a bad precedent).

The final nail in the coffin for me was the rise of the woke shit and the abandonment of Occupy Wall Street types to schmooze with global megacorporations. I thought lefties were supposed to be against corporate fuckery, not endorsing it. You can dump toxic waste, exterminate entire villages, and endorse third world slave labor all you want, but God damnit if you don't pledge allegiance to whatever version of the rainbow flag or worship whichever "disadvantaged" group we fucking tell you to, we will fucking END YOU! AND YOUR CAREER!

And God forbid you use a previous year's rainbow flag because it's not inclusive enough! It's never enough stripes!

To be serious again, the government and politicians here in America have largely been kept in check for over 200 years of tradition, and now the Left wants to get rid of that because they've turned into a bunch of MovieBobs on crack.

And please, don't get me started on their hypocrisy regarding the coronavirus.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Trump saying offensive things is at the bottom of my list of concerns. He's not as bad as Bush was, but still not good.

So what policies you didn't like?

 

[H3LLH4MM3R666]

So what policies you didn't like?

His tax cuts, sloppy deregulation, and catastrophic military withdrawals. He pardoned some war criminals, caused our current inflation crisis with his trade war and tax cuts, and was extremely counter-productive in securing the border. He also blew up the deficit and tanked America's global approval rating. When we were set to give a death sentence to the Chinese tech giant ZTE, Trump got a phonecall from Xi. That was all it took for him to intervene and cancel the sanctions that would have deprived ZTE of chip components, instead giving them a slap on the wrist. He talks tough on China but always capitulates to them when it really matters.

I've also turned around on the issue of illegal immigration after Bush, as I became more educated on the realities of how the legal immigration system actually works, and the net impact that immigrants have on the country.

 

[Karras Rising]

I hate liberal multiculturalism and authoritative one-party totalitarianism all the same, no matter which side of the political spectrum they’re coming from. I think the human species is generally selfish because a human is always out for its own survival. I also think the most self-serving thing we can all do is act co-operatively and consensually as a society. By working together, we preserve the species as a whole. We can only foster a culture of co-operation through individual liberty, free debate, and self-policing.

I have always been more sympathetic to true left-wing politicians (not clout-chasing sycophants), because I think the social body (the species as a whole) is the most important thing. To propagate the species, All Must Bear The Torch.

 

[NoonmanR]

The Republican party is beyond useless, and only seems to exist to give people the illusion of option. Also don't want to support either extreme, especially not communism, so here i sit, every so slightly left of center.