Why do you lean left?

[The Last Stand]

I considered switching to Republican after the SJW craze. But I'm lazy. And it won't make a blind bit of difference long term.

 

[TFT-A9]

I considered switching to Republican after the SJW craze. But I'm lazy. And it won't make a blind bit of difference long term.

"Do you like to suck red dicks or blue dicks?"

"What the fuck I don't want to suck dicks at all you idiot."

"WE FOUND ANOTHER INCEL NAZI ALT-RIGHT WHITE SUPREMACIST!"

 

[Emperor Julian]

"muh law and order"

When the "law" orders you to be put against a wall do you still love that shit? This goes for EVERYONE to the right of Mao.

Thats actually my partly point, all you can do is point to worse things which can occur under left wing goverments. The current system is so pathetic you effectively have to pull an a-log: at least it's not chris=chan/maoism to defend it. all you're really condeeding is you don't have anything to offer.

 

[H3LLH4MM3R666]

I used to be a republican. In highschool I was a loner autistic edgelord that thought I was smarter than everyone else and I fantasized about swat teams coming into the school and curbstomping every stupid drug user and goth kid. George Bush was in power and listened to the debates about the Iraq War to the best of my ability, and concluded that the mission was worth it. Terrorists needed to be hunted down and a free state needed to be built out of Iraq. I also somehow though that republicans were the party of big government, so I voted for Bush in 2004 because I felt that humanity needed to be saved from itself

As the years passed I saw how the wars Iraq in Afghanistan unfolded. Katrina was a multilayered disaster and when the economy crashed in 2008 it became impossible to defend Bush anymore. And it was only around that time that I realized that the democrats supported bigger government, but less foreign intervention.

I didn't know where to go. I became a Ron Paul fan for a few weeks, and then realized libertarianism is dumb. Over the years I came to support Obama more, if only because I saw more and more contradictions coming out of right-wing politicians and conservative pundits. I listened to Rush and Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity to at least get their viewpoints. But as time passed I kept noticing them making bad predictions, or contradicting themselves depending on who was president. I could only conclude that they were entertainers, not providing genuine views but calculated outrage bait tailed to be what they thought they wanted their listeners to hear.

I was indifferent to the 2016 election and never thought that Trump would be a literal fascist, just really incompetent. Which he was. And I mocked SJWs for years but I still lean democrat on economic issues.

Another big shift- when I was in highschool I thought illegal immigrants were coming to this country to leech of welfare, as if they qualified. And that they only did it because they were too lazy to fill out the paperwork for legal citizenship. I became more left-wing when it come to immigration when I became more informed on the realities of our immigration system, and the fact that illegal immigrants are statistically less likely to commit violent crimes.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

However, the Democratic Party and a fair amount of their voting base has lost their minds. Now they support war, censorship, "unpersoning" others for holding the "wrong" opinions. It's sickening. Not even mentioning recently their support for the so-called "peaceful protesters" of Antifa burning down their cities and those strong people of color looting stores, while calling the rioters at Capitol "terrorists" and planning to censor anyone with a right-leaning political view. Don't get me wrong, the "Right" would likely do the same thing if they were the ones with power (much like the Religious Right of the '90s), but Republicans seem to be more interested in being the "graceful losers" (emphasis on the words "losers") if it means maintaining the status quo and lining up their own pockets with tax payer money. It's people's distaste for the "status quo" that enabled Trump to be president in the first place, but people don't seem to see that (or perhaps they refuse to see that).

Sorry for my rant. Thank you.

No. The Democratic party itself is still neoliberal and business oriented. They have not changed, they just pretend that they have in order to get votes from certain segments of the population. Republicans still use the old 'trickle down' as well but started getting more radical on abortion, anti-trans in order to appeal to single issue voters. Both parties economic policies are basically the same as they were in the 1980's.

 

[Slap47]

No. The Democratic party itself is still neoliberal and business oriented. They have not changed, they just pretend that they have in order to get votes from certain segments of the population. Republicans still use the old 'trickle down' as well but started getting more radical on abortion, anti-trans in order to appeal to single issue voters. Both parties economic policies are basically the same as they were in the 1980's.

Both parties are neoliberal, but also support government expansion The difference is that the Dems support more keynesian interventions in the economy and public/private partnerships, while the Republicans support believe this should be done more through the military-industrial complex. Both support austerity, deregulation, bailouts, and subsidized corporatism.

 

[SITHRAK!]

When I lean and vote left, it's because the right has gone full retard/totally evil (case in point: Dubya's decision to lock the US into an endless war on multiple fronts in retaliation for 9/11).
When I lean and vote right, it's because the left has gone full retard/totally evil (case in point: supported Obama's first turn in the hope and belief he could heal the nation; switched right when he turned out to be a shitty meme president).
Won't switch back until the blue team stops putting corrupt, identitarian, white-hating assholes to the front of the line.

 

[Zarael]

It's not that hard to understand why people are on the left. Progressivism has a very powerful narrative and idealistic vision for the future. The arc of history always trends towards progress and leftists really truly believe we're heading towards an inevitable humanity united as one without any barriers separating us by race, nation, religion or ideology. They think humans are all fundamentally good and it's only socioeconomic circumstances that cause people to do bad things, thus if you can change society and engineer the economy you can "solve" people committing crime by removing the only impetus for them to do so. They basically think we're destined for a Star Trek style future and a lot of them think it's their job to drag everyone kicking and screaming towards that future.

The issue is that it's superficial and doesn't mesh well with how things actually are. Will making people wealthier and giving them more opportunity lower crime? Probably but at the same time there are a lot of wealthy criminals. There's no real impetus for politicians to be so corrupt, they're certainly not forced into it by being in bad circumstances, it's just that they don't have the moral character to actually say no to all the grift and shady deals they can profit off. Ultimately people doing the right thing can't be solved by engineering society in the way the left thinks but has to come within each person, if you have a society of individuals who have a good sense of civil virtue and responsibility for themselves and others you'll probably have a good society.

It's super easy to get sucked into a vision where all humanity is united and we all drive Teslas around everywhere and nobody cares about language, skin color, ethnicity, religion or anything else and everyone treats everyone else with the highest degree of respect, but it's simply a fantasy and you can't get there with left wing policy. So they increasingly look for scapegoats to blame the frailties of the human condition on. Capitalism is the in vogue target of the day, it's capitalism that's corrupting our society. But again, while I dislike the corporate consumerism of modern day society as much as anyone else it cannot be denied that it would actually be working well if people actually had the moral conviction to be doing the right thing. The leftist will never realize that they're chasing around phantasms about why things suck when people had it figured out over 2000 years ago. It's humans, it's always been humans and you'll never create a perfect system where humans live in harmony because people are not inherently altruistic and they never will be.

 

[Kornula]

I don't just lean left, I am a socialist. My reasons are simple. Neo-Liberalism is an autistic system that benefits the few through the sweat of the many. Recent events such as COVID-19 has simply exacerbated the growing divide between the ultra-rich and everyone else. Whole cities have become inhospitable or too expensive to live from policies going as far back as Reaganomics, with highly educated people having to two or three jobs just to survive. It's an immoral, unjust and impractical state of affairs that's vindicated only by lib-cucks or the highly privileged whose biggest issues usually revolve around not being able to date Alexa.

"Scratch the surface of a conservative and you'll get someone who wants to stay in the past. Scratch the surface of a liberal and you'll find a closet aristocrat."

Socialism has always failed horribly every single time it's been implemented.
Every.
Single.
Time.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

"Scratch the surface of a conservative and you'll get someone who wants to stay in the past. Scratch the surface of a liberal and you'll find a closet aristocrat."

Socialism has always failed horribly every single time it's been implemented.
Every.
Single.
Time.

This last wave of Neoliberalism is a huge failure. Let's look back to the 1980's: For the most part it was only low wage workers and high school drop outs affected by the change in social policies. Which is why there was never any middle class people rioting in Thatcher's Britain. And the American middle class loved having Ronald Reagan as a president, it was mainly blacks and factory workers who had a bone to pick with him.

Now things are very different. Highly educated people with full time jobs are struggling financially. Wages are depressed and housing costs have exploded in many cases. Only the inheritance class, CEO's, high up politicians and Chinese billionaires are enjoying the fruits of trickle down these days.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Being non-American (I think I've stated before I'm Canadian, the worst kind of North American next to America itself), I can safely say as someone looking in, The Left does have like one redeeming quality to them over the Right (at least in theory with regards to inclusivity towards other races and gender, in execution, they botch it up as bad as any right-winger does if not worse). But both sides, especially on the extremist ends of the spectrum, are the absolute worst of humanity when you get right down to it.

The main reason I can't get into the Right is all the crazy-ass shit they bring up and try to tie into QAnon; I'm still not certain what aliens, Jesus's return, or 5D transcension have to do with pedophile rings. But the reason I can't get into the Left is that they're literally just the Right, but swaps out the fucktarded conspiracies and replaces it with bullshit in-your-face preaching and unprovoked violence thanks to shit like the BLM riots. It's hard to root for either side when they're both flinging shit at one another and wind up affecting the rest of the world with it too. I mean we Canadians voted in a fucking cuck (I didn't, but you know what I mean) because he shared the last name of a mildly better, but more well-known PM, but instead has shit the bed on multiple occasions and the rest of the people in power are no better. And believe me, anyone who claims Any person in power is a god or the End-all-be-all when it comes to getting shit done, is fucking stupid. Look at America's presidents of the 21st Century-- Bush gave us the War on Terrorism, a money sink that's still going on to this day, Obama and Trump were literal Memes voted into office, with the former being beyond mediocre and the latter starting off promising with the North Korea talks and promises of getting the economy straightened out, but then shitting the bed harder than Cuckstin when it came out he was just an incompetent mid-70s manbaby who'd rather talk shit on Twitter like any of his detractors than actually do anything productive (and ruin it for the rest of the world with his whiny threats about censoring the internet). And Biden's proving himself to be a mix of both thanks to his age and very clear declining mental health.

On a personal level, I'm more the "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me personally" kind of guy. I've questioned a lot about a lot of things, including politics and religion. And really, those are topics that I really don't like bringing up because I could rant on and on about it for hours on end. So it's less I lean left and more "I just like the right less" than anything else. Then again, I'm Canadian, so I just laugh or cringe at what both sides of the US political coin and their followers do, and bitch about what our literally-named Liberal or Progressive-Conservative governments do.

 

[Dyn]

I just like doing crimes and claiming benefits, to be honest.

 

[Yinci]

Economic intervention that favors the people over business

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General humans rights as left wing (or center left) systems are non-discriminatory and law biding.

I began to Tolerate SJW's and BLM after learning about the worst the right wing has to offer such as the Turner Diaries Manifesto.
To me it seems like all Right Wing Theories other than unchained capitalism imediantly begin to revert to a primitive mentality of tribalism and colonialism with people who already live in our own county. It's pointless as fuck and I can't be a freak.

The Turner Dairies resonates weird with me. I guess you can say I worry for California. I do legitimately believe a bunch of Racist Horrocows will get together and trash California and kill a lot of people out of these poetical based antagonizations. I am happy to see BLM is armed to the teeth and seems to have a military cohesion of their own.

 

[Bonesjones]

Left leg is shorter than the right

 

[polyqueerandrosensual]

I'm an autistic queer sissy who can't afford the insane costs of education and healthcare in the USA.

That said, I still hate niggers, and love white men. Finding other leftists like me is damn near impossible.

 

[TheRetardKing]

Because somebody put a knife in my head and I'm gonna fall down and die. Okay! Bye...
*THUD!*

 

[Flavius Claudius Julianus]

I held quasi-lefty, liberal views throughout my teens and much of my twenties. I was deeply involved in the arts at the time, so there were many people close to me who were anywhere on the spectrum of centre-left - to those who were more centrist in their beliefs, to downright near lunatic lefties (but nobody anywhere close to the woke idiots of today.)

Late twenties and onward, I started educating myself more and more where it concerned economic policy, the effects of migration, and identity politics. As of right now, I guess I'd be quote left leaning by the standards of the 1990s at its latest. Today, I'm a bigoted racist who hates minorities, not to mention a white supremacist.

I think if you're a lefty by today's standards, you need to seriously educate yourself on what is going on in the world today. Because it's pure insanity what the left is pushing now, and very, very little stands up to even basic rigour and analysis.

 

[Mnutu]

Why do I lean left? I don’t.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Being non-American (I think I've stated before I'm Canadian, the worst kind of North American next to America itself), I can safely say as someone looking in, The Left does have like one redeeming quality to them over the Right (at least in theory with regards to inclusivity towards other races and gender, in execution, they botch it up as bad as any right-winger does if not worse). But both sides, especially on the extremist ends of the spectrum, are the absolute worst of humanity when you get right down to it.

The main reason I can't get into the Right is all the crazy-ass shit they bring up and try to tie into QAnon; I'm still not certain what aliens, Jesus's return, or 5D transcension have to do with pedophile rings. But the reason I can't get into the Left is that they're literally just the Right, but swaps out the fucktarded conspiracies and replaces it with bullshit in-your-face preaching and unprovoked violence thanks to shit like the BLM riots. It's hard to root for either side when they're both flinging shit at one another and wind up affecting the rest of the world with it too. I mean we Canadians voted in a fucking cuck (I didn't, but you know what I mean) because he shared the last name of a mildly better, but more well-known PM, but instead has shit the bed on multiple occasions and the rest of the people in power are no better. And believe me, anyone who claims Any person in power is a god or the End-all-be-all when it comes to getting shit done, is fucking stupid. Look at America's presidents of the 21st Century-- Bush gave us the War on Terrorism, a money sink that's still going on to this day, Obama and Trump were literal Memes voted into office, with the former being beyond mediocre and the latter starting off promising with the North Korea talks and promises of getting the economy straightened out, but then shitting the bed harder than Cuckstin when it came out he was just an incompetent mid-70s manbaby who'd rather talk shit on Twitter like any of his detractors than actually do anything productive (and ruin it for the rest of the world with his whiny threats about censoring the internet). And Biden's proving himself to be a mix of both thanks to his age and very clear declining mental health.

On a personal level, I'm more the "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me personally" kind of guy. I've questioned a lot about a lot of things, including politics and religion. And really, those are topics that I really don't like bringing up because I could rant on and on about it for hours on end. So it's less I lean left and more "I just like the right less" than anything else. Then again, I'm Canadian, so I just laugh or cringe at what both sides of the US political coin and their followers do, and bitch about what our literally-named Liberal or Progressive-Conservative governments do.

Canada is not liberal. Fiscally nor socially. Our immigration system is extremely selective, we spend less on social programs than any other country and abortion was nearly re-criminalised in this country less than 30 years ago and passed by a very narrow vote (I believe one vote) for this not to happen. Don't be fooled by ''peoplekind'' and ''I'm a feminist'' (Trudeau's assertion). It is just a ruse. Corrupt faux ''free market'' policies has caused half our real estate to be bought up be Chinese drug dealers in a money laundering scheme.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Canada is not liberal. Fiscally nor socially. Our immigration system is extremely selective, we spend less on social programs than any other country and abortion was nearly re-criminalised in this country less than 30 years ago and passed by a very narrow vote (I believe one vote) for this not to happen. Don't be fooled by ''peoplekind'' and ''I'm a feminist'' (Trudeau's assertion). It is just a ruse. Corrupt faux ''free market'' policies has caused half our real estate to be bought up be Chinese drug dealers in a money laundering scheme.

Can you tell I don't pay attention to a lot of this shit?