Why do you think that Neo-paganism is on the rise now?

The most important thing about being a pagan was conforming to society's norms and expectations which the gods created/enforced. Every pagan culture, except maybe the Greeks, revered or even worshipped their ruling class as being closer to the gods than the common folk. The Medieval Era carried this pagan belief with the Divine Right of Kings. Right wing pagans hate Muslims but they all call themselves Vikings when the real Vikings were just ice jihadis. These ignoramuses have no idea WTF they're talking about when they call themselves "pagan."
Part of me suspects it's just part of the new "trend" the same way that "vampires" were in the aughts and "witchcraft/wicca" has been for a while now. Can't even tell you how many basic bitches swear to god they're connected to "mother earth" and talk about "wicca" shit and then go spout consoomerism on their "other" social media profiles.
One big clue in for me? Look at these alternative sort, less popular but equally well known belief systems like voodoo. Know any of these basic white bitches who goes around spouting off about voodoo? Why not? Voodoo doesn't have some specific mandate that it has to be practiced by African Americans, but there is an artificially imposed social more against white people practicing it because it's a West African pagan religion that was heavily claimed by slaves. So it's a "no no" belief for white people - but would that stop someone who actually believed in that spiritual power structure? No, they'd still do it.
That's just one small example but the point is there are a lot of people just picking whatever broad, general pagan belief systems sound cool and they don't actually know shit about it, like you said.
 
Part of me suspects it's just part of the new "trend" the same way that "vampires" were in the aughts and "witchcraft/wicca" has been for a while now. Can't even tell you how many basic bitches swear to god they're connected to "mother earth" and talk about "wicca" shit and then go spout consoomerism on their "other" social media profiles.
One big clue in for me? Look at these alternative sort, less popular but equally well known belief systems like voodoo. Know any of these basic white bitches who goes around spouting off about voodoo? Why not? Voodoo doesn't have some specific mandate that it has to be practiced by African Americans, but there is an artificially imposed social more against white people practicing it because it's a West African pagan religion that was heavily claimed by slaves. So it's a "no no" belief for white people - but would that stop someone who actually believed in that spiritual power structure? No, they'd still do it.
That's just one small example but the point is there are a lot of people just picking whatever broad, general pagan belief systems sound cool and they don't actually know shit about it, like you said.
The things about vampires, "mother earth," having superpowers, dances with dragons, etc. is that it's their literal autistic fantasy world, not paganism. They want real life to be like LOTR (completely ignoring the Christianity/Catholicism of Tolkien's writings), Buffy, Harry Potter, or some other shit they read, watched, or played.

The thing about Vodou is that family is the foundation of society and religion, and they don't mean "family" in the sense of anarcho-kweer socialist radi-decon poly family. Even with the support for kweers and whores that they claim Vodou has it comes with a lot of responsibility, and everyone knows responsibility is anathema to them.
 
The things about vampires, "mother earth," having superpowers, dances with dragons, etc. is that it's their literal autistic fantasy world, not paganism. They want real life to be like LOTR (completely ignoring the Christianity/Catholicism of Tolkien's writings), Buffy, Harry Potter, or some other shit they read, watched, or played.

The thing about Vodou is that family is the foundation of society and religion, and they don't mean "family" in the sense of anarcho-kweer socialist radi-decon poly family. Even with the support for kweers and whores that they claim Vodou has it comes with a lot of responsibility, and everyone knows responsibility is anathema to them.
This is where you get into the split of Neopagan vs. Reconstructionist pagan -- or at least how it used to be framed 2000-2010s, especially by Recons(tructionists) who didn't care about the feelz of the fluffy bunnies as they were called in that era. The Neos tended to be this kind of glorified whatever goes fantasy that made them feel special that you see lampooned in the Neopagans thread in Community Watch, and are a lot more publicly visible.

The Recons were a much smaller collection of groups (Asatru, Hellenists, and a scattering of much smaller ethnically-oriented sects that tended not to really have settled names), and a lot more insular, especially as negative attention and conflation with muh white supremacy kicked up around 2010 against the Asatruar in particular thanks to retards in prison gangs. So they were always a lot harder to find, whatever the historical tradition they were trying to reconstruct and practice. These guys tended to be a lot more willing to dig into historical sources (some ended up becoming professional anthropologists or historians) and embraced the responsibility angle you mention. They tended to burn out after 5-10 years of practice if they didn't have a larger community of practitioners to be embedded in, like the Rodnovery and Romuva guys in Eastern Europe sometimes have available.

My impression was it was a combination of not having that broader community support reinforcing the belief and ritual, and helping to spread around the responsibilities, and also just the pressure of the larger, secular culture. When you're living in the modern, scientific world, the mismatch between transplanting a 500+ year old belief system into the modern day eventually gets to be too much, and it breaks down. Some of these guys abandoned whatever it was they'd adopted wholesale, others retreated to the "it's poetry/symbolism but not literal" stance and kept a form of it as a personal philosophy, but were otherwise atheist.

The other factor in why I don't think you see many Recons these days, only the LARP/fantasy Neopagans, is the broader pagan community got hit *hard* by the social justice/critical race theory plague earlier than some mainstream religious movements. You can imagine how destructive that shit is when dropped in the middle of a group of people with oftentimes mixed European ancestries who are far removed in time and geography from the religions they're trying to adapt and practice. The folkish (ethnic origin matters, everything is by default a closed practice) pagans were at the throats of those with insufficiently-pure ancestries, while others tied themselves into insane knots over whether or not they were <too wrong race> to worship <xyz gods>. It didn't take long before the usual social justice purity spirals blew up/burned out most of the Recon movements I saw in that era, and it did it *fast*, almost as fast as it wiped out the New Atheists.

So, now all that's left, at least aboveground, is the kooky LARPing kids who use gods/myths/ancient cultures as fashion accessories, and come up with the weirdest shit that would've gotten them laughed out of even your average Wiccan coven around 2005. But shit's still lame, a lot of people still want numinous, mystic experiences, and the chase after the dragon of Reenchantment goes on...
 
A good 90% of these neopagans have beliefs that would put chris chan to shame in the stupidity department. At least cwc had some cursory knowledge of the Platonic forms, while the rest of these losers reject hellenistic philosophy for being "muh pozzed med shit" in favour of their "based" germanic larping. I'm not even going to get started on the hordes of rodnovers whose beliefs are essentially a watered-down version of hinduism intermixed with gnostic and other made-up elements.
 
Then stay with what you know. What I see on the Internet is lots of Orthoboos with no roots in the Church joining because its based and redpilled.

Which is kind of hilarious really, considering the whole notion of Caesaropapism which is still active in territories like Russia makes the Orthodox even more cucked than other denominations.

Russian Orthodoxy is "Based" because Putin orders it to be based. It is a reflection of whatever the Czar, regardless of what he calls himself, is (Hence why the Russian Church has fangirled even female German ursurpers who openly flout its doctrines and on occasion even the USSR in the later years). As soon as they get another leader their political stance and "pastoral ministry" will adapt accordingly to reflect whatever the new normal is as they always have. Russia is the prime example, with the Greeks not far behind with the Patriarch of Constantinople being heavily moderated by Turkey but they all operate on this ethnic/nationalist rule principle.

At least Fred Phelps and Benedict XVI can say mean things about political leaders without daddy coming to gulag them.
 
Then stay with what you know.
You have to be catechized in order to be baptized, so they are sticking with what they know.

Your basis for church tradition adherence is wholly based on the understanding of said tradition being no more than a subcultural camp, which is antithetical to Christianity to begin with.
What I see on the Internet is lots of Orthoboos with no roots in the Church joining because its based and redpilled.
In my experience, those were a stark minority. You were more likely to find someone who wanted to become Orthodox because they were jumping off the Catholic ship, but-- on the internet, and I actually had extensive experience with the burgeoning internet Orthodox community-- the majority of people had spiritual interest in Orthodoxy after being spiritually disinterested in their traditions of birth. People like Rob Dreher, mired in the culture war, are considered controversial at best.
 
You have to be catechized in order to be baptized, so they are sticking with what they know.

Your basis for church tradition adherence is wholly based on the understanding of said tradition being no more than a subcultural camp, which is antithetical to Christianity to begin with.

In my experience, those were a stark minority. You were more likely to find someone who wanted to become Orthodox because they were jumping off the Catholic ship, but-- on the internet, and I actually had extensive experience with the burgeoning internet Orthodox community-- the majority of people had spiritual interest in Orthodoxy after being spiritually disinterested in their traditions of birth. People like Rob Dreher, mired in the culture war, are considered controversial at best.
My view is from the perspective of somebody who doesn't believe in the literal truth of a religion, for other people who also don't believe in the literal truth of it. In that scenario whether it is antithetical to the intent behind Christianity is irrelevant to its merit as a form of cultural expression. If a person does believe in it, then there is no kind of argument other than a theological one that would suffice, but I think that when we look at things like Neo-Paganism (the original subject), we aren't looking at people weighing religions by their theology or evidence.

I would also argue that my basis is antithetical to the spirit of somebody trying to practice the most pure version of the religion, but I would disagree that Orthodoxy is it. Anabaptism and various strains of American Evangelicalism strike me as having much more in common with ancient Christianity in both attitude and particulars, compared to the statist and paganized "Church."

Now, if some people find Orthodoxy does fulfill them in a genuine spiritual way, again, they should stick with it, but that's not "your religious tradition," so the spiritual-seeker in that case is trying to find something different than the person I described.

Which is kind of hilarious really, considering the whole notion of Caesaropapism which is still active in territories like Russia makes the Orthodox even more cucked than other denominations.

Russian Orthodoxy is "Based" because Putin orders it to be based. It is a reflection of whatever the Czar, regardless of what he calls himself, is (Hence why the Russian Church has fangirled even female German ursurpers who openly flout its doctrines and on occasion even the USSR in the later years). As soon as they get another leader their political stance and "pastoral ministry" will adapt accordingly to reflect whatever the new normal is as they always have. Russia is the prime example, with the Greeks not far behind with the Patriarch of Constantinople being heavily moderated by Turkey but they all operate on this ethnic/nationalist rule principle.

At least Fred Phelps and Benedict XVI can say mean things about political leaders without daddy coming to gulag them.
I have a Trad Catholic friend (raised in the faith) who is a populist type, and it's through discussion with him that I've come to find how contrary Big Church (Catholicism, Lutheranism, Episcopalianism, Mormonism) is to traditional American culture, regardless of how much they shill for it as "Mainstream." For a traditionalist nationalist, supporting an inherently globalist organization like Catholicism is hypocritical. For people who root their identity more in local circumstances, supporting a nation-based church is similarly messed up.

The vigorous madhouse of American Evangelicalism is more true to the spirit of Old America, autonomy.

That all doesn't have to do directly with government intervention in churches, but it does have to do with big churches being undesirable.
 
My view is from the perspective of somebody who doesn't believe in the literal truth of a religion, for other people who also don't believe in the literal truth of it. In that scenario whether it is antithetical to the intent behind Christianity is irrelevant to its merit as a form of cultural expression.
In which case you're speaking out of context, since it ought to be assumed that the average convert converts for-- on some level-- reasons they identify as "spiritual".

I would also argue that my basis is antithetical to the spirit of somebody trying to practice the most pure version of the religion, but I would disagree that Orthodoxy is it. Anabaptism and various strains of American Evangelicalism strike me as having much more in common with ancient Christianity in both attitude and particulars,
That's literally impossible. Anabaptism is a breakaway of the Catholic Church, and American Evangelicalism is a breakaway of a breakaway of the Catholic Church. They were breakaways at a time where it took considerable effort and resources to even be aware of Eastern Christianity, and as a result they were formed in said historical ignorance/indifference. Both are so unmoored from what can be certainly ascertained as the flow of Church history from the first century onwards despite being said flow's beneficiaries to a significant degree-- whatever you think of any or all pre-Protestant, post-Theodosian communion, the fact that they all occupy the entirety of pre-Protestant Christian history means that ignorance and lack of interface with them is an immediate marker of deficiency, more so when you take much of what they dogmatized for granted.

The Evangelicals in particular are either indifferent to this or grasp at it as a fancy way to distinguish themselves rather than something fundamental to their faith. And don't get me started on those grasping for "authentic Christianity" to the point that they're LARPing as modern orthodox Jews like some early aughts weeb but with religion.

compared to the statist and paganized "Church."
Whether we talk Catholic, Orthodox, Miaphysite, or Nestorian continuity, all of these share the common history of shitting on pagans and venerating people well-known for shitting on pagans. The notion that any pre-Protestant communion was "paganized" is laughable under the vaguest scrutiny. The notion that any pre-Protestant communion was statist is simplistic and unaware of the various points in time that the Church (whether Catholic or Orthodox) resisted political influence and in fact butted heads with the state, in addition to being unaware that the Church (again, whichever one of the aforementioned four) consistently spanned states even after Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire.
 
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In my experience, those were a stark minority. You were more likely to find someone who wanted to become Orthodox because they were jumping off the Catholic ship, but-- on the internet, and I actually had extensive experience with the burgeoning internet Orthodox community-- the majority of people had spiritual interest in Orthodoxy after being spiritually disinterested in their traditions of birth. People like Rob Dreher, mired in the culture war, are considered controversial at best.
I'll add on to this, we wouldn't have leftists constantly trying to infiltrate our Church if converts were only wignats. People convert because of moral and spiritual reasons, because they believe they've attained the ultimate truth in life. It's only a coincidence that virtues of charity attract left-wingers or undertones of traditionalism attract hard-righters. I see more of the larper crowd flock to catholicism and their "based western culture" than I've ever seen try to join Orthodoxy. Hard right putin-lovers go for rodnovery, not Orthodoxy.
 
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I think it's a very simple, two step process:
1. Children/Teenagers in the 2000: "I fucking hate fundies, so I'm going to be come an atheist"
2. Teenagers/Young adults in the 2010s: "I fucking hate atheism, so I'm going to become something else, but not a Christian, because I still don't like that."
 
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