Why does corporate culture lie so much even when it’s not profitable to do so?

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Legitimate question. I can somewhat understand lying for a profit but I think it’s counterproductive to lie when the lie costs you a shit ton of money.
 
Short term vs long term thinking. Companies execs, unfortunately, are found to only think in shorter and shorter terms. In the short term, lying is incredibly profitable and by the time people figure out it was a lie the execs responsible have jumped to a new "better" company to make short term profits then jump to another one.

Companies that see long term success usually don't lie precisely because they have a history of genuinely loyal executives who stay on long term and stick through the good and more importantly bad times.
 
Often, big companies have several interested groups or individuals who can make a demand of them and the company will carry it out, even if it costs them more than they'll get back in the short term.

Sacrificing something for continued support of a powerful and influential ally is usually worth it, though this is almost always self serving in the long run, at the detriment of others outside the group.
 
Usually it's not the CEOs who are woke, it's the HR and marketing departments.
They lie to the suits that this is what the audiences love and want, and when it flops, they're the ones who blame those damn dirty republican neo-nazi racist sexist cis white hetero incel chud trolls that sabotaged their product, but that everyone else really liked it, and the company should give it another shot.
When the money runs out, the rot simply moves to a new company. It's not their millions that are lost. They have nothing to lose and an entire ideologue brainwashing to gain.
 
Jews and women, mostly.

If you've never worked in corporate for a large corporation, I can see how you'd be confused by this, but once you know how these companies work behind the scenes, the mechanism is crystal clear.

In a large corporation, there are a handful of superstars that produce ~80% of the output, and then a whole lot of mediocre people that support the operation by doing shit like selling the product, answering phones, being summer interns, taking care out accounts payable/receivable, and staffing HR. Mediocre people with 8 hours to kill every day are:

A) bored, because they've been doing the same job for 20 years and aren't qualified to do anything else
B) stupid, and disproportionately influenced by what they see on social media
C) generally unhappy with their station at the company and life in general, and
D) conniving little faggots desperate to control their own little corner of the company

So, they spend their time jealously complaining about SJW shit to HR. Shit like:

"We don't have enough blacks around here!"
"The board is mostly men!"
"Someone used gendered language ('guys') to refer to the group!"
"Why isn't the company saying anything about George Floyd when all these other companies are?"


You think I'm joking, but all these are real complaints we've had from morons. The problem is that HR is also full of mediocre people, except the HR leader is usually a VP that's on the same level as a VP of Sales, or a VP of Product Development--on the same level as the superstars that make the company what it is.

So when it comes time for quarterly reviews, the COO/CEO takes all these complaints about company culture from the VP of HR seriously. They talk to their marketing team (more mediocre people who are disproportionately women). They talk to general counsel, who suggests the company takes these HR complaints seriously. So, they direct people to change the messaging, both internally and externally, because clearly, if their every-man employees are complaining about it, the general public must feel the same way. By the time anyone who does any real work knows about it, HR has sent out emails about unconscious bias and how we're going to be celebrating black history month this year and no one intelligent wants to say anything because they understand that the more they complain, the less likely they are to get that next promotion because they aren't a team player.

Again, those mediocre people don't have to worry about that because they don't get promoted, and they've been there so long that firing them would cost more in severance than keeping them.

And that's how Coca-Cola ends up telling you that Black Lives Matter.
 
Companies use grifters like Nerdrotic and CLownfish to promote their material. Stop talking about them and don't even draw attention to these companies. Ignore them, and they will DEFINITELY go away.

again stop talking about them no negativity. Saying something is shit and visibily looks like shit makes people want to buy it.
Stop hate beating off to Geeky Sparkles already. We know you like fat ass redheads and blonde neckbeards. But this was about corporations, not Coomtubers.
 
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Not sure what you're referencing specifically, but without PL'ing too much I am now roped in with unions getting involved with changes that management want to make at work.

The unions wouldn't even be involved if management didn't lie through their teeth and treat every decision as if it is disclosing the location of the Holy Grail.

To answer your question though - profit over people. Even if there's no profit to be made. It's just an inherent culture of putting the visions of those above you before the quality of life of those below you.

Fuck them. Make their life as difficult as possible. Take as many liberties as you can. Show them that their wage doesn't justify the way they treat you.
 
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What kind of lies? Are you talking about woke? I find that companies that preach woke are normally in bed with government and hiding their own dirty laundry.
I don’t know of any late or medium sized company that isn’t at least partially woke. By woke I mean ‘feigning activism about some non-issue as a way to deflect from their bullshit.’ What surprises me is that they just lie when they don’t need to and when it’s counterintuitive. They’re so used to lying they do it reflexively. I always assumed, wrongly, that at worst they’d lie to customers, but internally they’d be honest on how to nickle and dime their customers. Naive of me, I know, but I assumed they were at least competent when it came to shaking people down.
@DamnWolves If you've never worked in corporate for a large corporation, I can see how you'd be confused by this, but once you know how these companies work behind the scenes, the mechanism is crystal clear.
To be honest I’m used to smaller businesses. I knew large businesses were greedy and incompetent but I over estimated how competent and greedy they are. I was surprised to learn they were ok with not making a profit and in general I didn’t like how complacent they were. I’m not ok with being useless I like to be productive. I still do a lot of gardening myself.
In a large corporation, there are a handful of superstars that produce ~80% of the output, and then a whole lot of mediocre people that support the operation by doing shit like selling the product, answering phones, being summer interns, taking care out accounts payable/receivable, and staffing HR. Mediocre people with 8 hours to kill every day are:

A) bored, because they've been doing the same job for 20 years and aren't qualified to do anything else
B) stupid, and disproportionately influenced by what they see on social media
C) generally unhappy with their station at the company and life in general, and
D) conniving little faggots desperate to control their own little corner of the company

So, they spend their time jealously complaining about SJW shit to HR. Shit like:

"We don't have enough blacks around here!"
"The board is mostly men!"
"Someone used gendered language ('guys') to refer to the group!"
"Why isn't the company saying anything about George Floyd when all these other companies are?"

You think I'm joking, but all these are real complaints we've had from morons. The problem is that HR is also full of mediocre people, except the HR leader is usually a VP that's on the same level as a VP of Sales, or a VP of Product Development--on the same level as the superstars that make the company what it is.
Yeah, you’re right about that. It’s always the mediocre people who complain & are very woke/champagne socialists. I feel like they’d be fundies if this was a few decades ago… The ones that produce may still be progressive but they’re not constantly virtue signaling. I was generally surprised to find reasonable people who were progressives that were willing to talk. Then again people who virtue signal only care about being seen, not getting anything done and the only reason I knew some of them were actually progressive is because we’d start talking.
So when it comes time for quarterly reviews, the COO/CEO takes all these complaints about company culture from the VP of HR seriously. They talk to their marketing team (more mediocre people who are disproportionately women). They talk to general counsel, who suggests the company takes these HR complaints seriously. So, they direct people to change the messaging, both internally and externally, because clearly, if their every-man employees are complaining about it, the general public must feel the same way. By the time anyone who does any real work knows about it, HR has sent out emails about unconscious bias and how we're going to be celebrating black history month this year and no one intelligent wants to say anything because they understand that the more they complain, the less likely they are to get that next promotion because they aren't a team player.

Again, those mediocre people don't have to worry about that because they don't get promoted, and they've been there so long that firing them would cost more in severance than keeping them.
I noticed how so complacent many of them are. It’s kinda sad. They’re just there not actually doing anything. I feel like I have to be productive. I don’t know I grew up working hard and being straightforward in any arrangements.
Not sure what you're referencing specifically, but without PL'ing too much I am now roped in with unions getting involved with changes that management want to make at work.

The unions wouldn't even be involved if management didn't lie through their teeth and treat every decision as if it is disclosing the location of the Holy Grail.
That is basically what happened. I won’t power level beyond it’s a big company with no union. Multiple lies, and some egregious ones. Nothing earth shattering or anything just infuriating if you’re employed by them. It doesn’t affect anyone else. I kept receipts and proved it to some coworkers… now I can’t go back but I have another job lined up that’s better (and way smaller organization) so it’ll work out. Management was dumbfounded someone would actually have receipts and just wanted me gone but I was leaving anyways. What I’m dumbfounded by is that a lot of the lies were not necessary. Like if they were upfront many of us would’ve taken the jobs anyways. The only reason it became an issue in the first place is because they lied about it reflexively and consistently.
To answer your question though - profit over people. Even if there's no profit to be made. It's just an inherent culture of putting the visions of those above you before the quality of life of those below you.
You’re right. There’s just a culture of lying and covering everything up, essentially group think but on a large scale. They don’t like dissent even when it comes from a place of good intentions and trying to make more profits. I feel like they’ll just discard SJWism once the gig is up just like they discarded being God Fearing Americans 🇺🇸 ™️.
Fuck them. Make their life as difficult as possible. Take as many liberties as you can. Show them that their wage doesn't justify the way they treat you.
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Can't seem to quote you but...

That is basically what happened. I won’t power level beyond it’s a big company with no union. Multiple lies, and some egregious ones. Nothing earth shattering or anything just infuriating if you’re employed by them. It doesn’t affect anyone else. I kept receipts and proved it to some coworkers… now I can’t go back but I have another job lined up that’s better (and way smaller organization) so it’ll work out. Management was dumbfounded someone would actually have receipts and just wanted me gone but I was leaving anyways. What I’m dumbfounded by is that a lot of the lies were not necessary.

Good on you for keeping receipts and looking after number one. I see it too much that colleagues are more interested in becoming friends with management and get fucked over but won't speak up about it because they're scared of hurting feefees. I am more than confident that you will be better off with your new job and I truly wish you all the best. Leave those shitbags behind and learn from how then burned you. Don't let it happen again.

Always remember that any and all companies will drop and replace you in the blink of an eye. They don't care about you, so give as good as you get.

And always join a union if it's an option in your field.

Edit: I just wanted to add some stuff, and again, I cannot quote you from your post...

Like if they were upfront many of us would’ve taken the jobs anyways. The only reason it became an issue in the first place is because they lied about it reflexively and consistently.

I am going through the exact same thing. If management had made the announcement to the change in roles, and implemented those changes in a more timely manner then people wouldn't have such a problem with it. The fact that they announce it less than 10 days before they expect the changes to be active and for everyone to be happy about it just shows that they ultimately do not give a single shit about how people feel. And then on top of that you have line-managers gaslighting and stating the acceptance of the change on employees behalf simply because they "always respond late to emails". No reply = yes?

Seriously, fuck anyone in middle management. You aren't worth shit. You're a dog's body and a bullet proof vest for the person above you who is making these shitty decisions. If your self respect is worth shilling to Satan for $5k more p/year than your subordinates, then you need to seriously reassess your priorities and think about the true purpose of existing on this planet.

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Because they are more and more thinking of themselves as "social engineers"
 
Being a huge baby isn’t a conspiracy
No one said it's a conspiracy you absolute sperg; it's just the natural conclusion when you give low level employees the ability to level company-destroying complaints at management with little or no risk to their own jobs.

Nothing about what I said requires any kind of collusion, but I think it's funny that you're so defensive about the impact kike marketing and retarded diversity hires have on modern business.
 
There's a lot of rambling non-sensical reasons listed above that aren't really rooted in reality.

Corporations lie, because they're made up of selfish individuals who are measured against quarterly results. That's the reason.
 
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Agreed regarding the point of short-term profits in that by the time anyone notices, the investors probably won't care after causing a small market dip. Public outrage is fleeting, and public memory of scandals is short thanks to the constant barrage of breaking news beating people over the head.

Also, corporations usually have a ton of lawyers that travel hand-in-hand with bean counters. If they know that the company's product has a defect, they'll crunch the numbers to see the probability of people being injured from the product, how much they can probably sue for, etc. In summary, if the lawyers and bean counters say product will make the company rich even if it causes people to die and survivors to sue for hundreds of millions, they'll keep the lie going to get as much profits from the product as possible before being forced to pull it out of circulation.

OR. They do it to avoid bigger costs. For example, after the Exxon-Valdez oil spill like 30 years ago, the company keeps delaying the case through random bullshit and tries to weasel its way out of penalties. As a result, survivors of the oil spill slowly die off. Continuing the court case through random bullshit is less expensive than paying out several hundred million dollars to hurting families.
 
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