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Dating is hard. Dating is even harder when you’re racialized.

I’ve encountered white men who would comment on my cultural foods, remark how good my English is, and refuse to learn how to use chopsticks. Upon learning that I’m from Hong Kong, they would go on a long spiel about how Wong Kar-wai is their favourite filmmaker and how they love the ‘Eastern meets Western culture’ vibe of the city. With a white man, I’ve never felt fully understood for who I am. Admittedly, I also found it difficult to understand them.

Things were different when I met my current boyfriend, an East Asian man. As he walked me home from our second date, hand-in-hand, through the late-evening chill, we talked about the different ways our families celebrate the Lunar New Year. I told him how, if only we had met a couple of months earlier, we could have celebrated the Mid-Autumn Festival together — maybe even shared a mooncake.

The ease that came with knowing and understanding each other made me feel silly for trying to search for love in seemingly the wrong places; for the strange things I was willing to overlook in exchange for a love that felt more like a superficial prize than authentic intimacy. When we’re curled up on the couch, sharing a pot of oolong tea, I wonder what all of it was for.

It’s probably worth prefacing with some sort of qualifier right now. There is absolutely no problem with loving who you love regardless of race — to argue otherwise would be a recession of the rights that racialized people and interracial couples have fought for in the past century. At the same time, I think it is important to interrogate why racialized women might crave the white man’s validation in a society profiled based on their race and how the pursuit of being desired by the white gaze can warp sexual capital.

The ‘Oxford study’ phenomenon

The ‘Oxford study’ is in reference to a supposed study that claimed that interracial couples are commonly composed of an East Asian woman and a white man. In fact, it is so prevalent that the shorthand WMAF — white male Asian female — has also been coined to refer to this type of relationship.

When the Oxford study became a meme, Asian women became the butt of many online jokes, with comments referring to them as “race traitors.”
Charmaine Yu

The intermingling of East Asian women and white men began with a history of colonialism and imperialism: whether it be from Europeans colonizing Asian countries — such as what the British did to Hong Kong in 1841, or white soldiers being stationed at international base camps, such as American soldiers in post-World War II Japan.

These events not only gave more opportunities for white men and Asian women to meet but also solidified the white man as the dominant subject within those relationships’ power dynamics. East Asian women, limited by economic opportunity, taking up sex work around base camps thus contributed to the stereotype of hypersexualization.

Simultaneously, history and legislation also played a part in the desexualization of Asian men, suggesting they lack sexual character or qualities. Due to xenophobic tensions between white Americans and Chinese Americans during the US’ Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882, as well as laws that prevented Chinese women from immigrating to America as a result of suspicions that they are sex workers, Chinese men were confined to more traditionally ‘feminine’ jobs, such as laundrymen. This removed the Chinese men from fulfilling traditional jobs that would allow them to perform masculinity.

In the media, Asian women are depicted as submissive to white men, and are even portrayed as grovelling for their attention, favouring men’s validation over relationships with other women. For example, in episode 10 of the second season of Sex and the City, main character Samantha — a white woman — dates a white man with an Asian woman named Sum as a servant. She is implied to be Thai, is soft-spoken, and bows her head in every interaction. Samantha’s boyfriend adores Sum’s servility and cooking, and defends her when Samantha reveals how Sum mistreats her in his absence.

Eventually, he breaks up with Samantha and the final scene shows Sum sneakily smiling at Samantha while pretending to cry in his arms.

This is one example from an episode that aired in 1999 that depicts the harmful stereotype of Asian women as caterers to men and eager to please, which appeals to patriarchal standards of femininity and masculinity.

Today, you might see comments on TikTok or Instagram which refer to the Oxford study under videos featuring WMAF couples. When the Oxford study became a meme, Asian women became the butt of many online jokes, with comments referring to them as “race traitors.”

From my experience clicking on the commenter’s accounts, they are usually Asian men whose comments seem to come from a certain sense of resentment over Asian women frequently having white — instead of Asian — boyfriends. Though, I’ve also seen white women refer to the Oxford study in a disparaging comment against WMAF couples, to suggest that white men go for Asian women because we are ‘easier’ to impress. According to them every Asian girl is a “white worshipper.”

Despite the prevalence of WMAF couples, there is no actual such Oxford study that proves that East Asian women are most attracted to white men, or that white men are most attracted to Asian women. Many may assume its validity upon hearing its academic-sounding name, but it’s a hallucinatory source.

This misnomer has permeated our culture so deeply that memes circulate the topic, WMAF couples are harassed online, and some people may feel determined to enter into a WMAF relationship due to its online romanticization and fetishization. An obsession with half-white, half-Asian babies — ‘wasians’ — probably also fuels this determination.

I’ve even heard Asian friends joke about white men they have a crush on, saying that they would “let him make me his Oxford study.”

Why do we love being loved by white boys?

Our societal obsession with pedestalling white men is evident in our media — even if some want to believe we’re heading toward a post-racial world. The online trend #whiteboyofthemonth on X is a self-reflexive meme imbued with irony to point out how often women fixate on white celebrities who are men — even if they’re mediocre in comparison to incredibly attractive, racialized celebrities.

Even in its light-hearted irony, #whiteboyofthemonth does the very same thing it attempts to critique. This meme is supposed to be self-cynical yet continues to worship a new ‘white boy of the month’ by indulging our algorithms with photos of them. It feels a lot like a snake swallowing its own tail when trying to confront our platforming of white men.

We can talk for ages about the white male gaze’s fetishization and hypersexualization of Asian women in Western societies: how East Asian women are seen as cute, submissive, family-oriented, and generally have ‘desirably’ small and slender frames. The ugly side of all this is that racialized people can also fetishize whiteness and are willing to fetishize themselves for the white male gaze.

Some part of me always understood that the desire for men’s validation existed in myself, but white men’s validation was its own separate, more complicated experience, burdened with histories of colonialism, diaspora, and race. In a culture that perpetuates the notion of white men as the ideal image of masculinity through subconscious social norms and media — while Asian men are emasculated and asexualized — being desired by a white man feels like you could be desired by any man.

In a very honest conversation with my boyfriend, he admitted to feeling similarly about receiving attraction from white women. I can’t even fault him. I understand that if a white woman could be attracted to an Asian man — a group that is systemically overlooked in the dating pool — then he might feel like he is “beating the system” or “winning at the white man’s game.”

It’s also no secret that beauty standards have a strong correlation with race, including within Asian communities: large eyes, tall nose bridge, and pale skin. To me, they’re undeniably reminiscent of white features. It’s no wonder why an East Asian person would want to be pursued by someone who embodies physical traits that are considered ideally beautiful — even if it means a 10/10 Asian girl gets with a mid white boy.

White men desiring you is not only validating but more importantly, a form of sexual capital.

Fractures within the Asian community

Another reason I’ve heard Asian women being hesitant to date Asian men of their own culture is a gap in feminist views.

From my experience, I’ve seen no strong direct correlation between a man’s race and his personal beliefs about feminism. I’ve met some Asian men who carry the patriarchal traditions rooted in their culture, but I also feel that my Asian boyfriend deeply respects my thoughts, opinions, and positionality as a woman. I’ve also met plenty of white men who have expressed many microaggressive ideas about gender. In any case, entering the dating pool is inherently a coin toss between meeting feminist and misogynistic men.

However, in an interview with The Varsity, Aksaamai Ormonbekova — a Kyrgyz second-year student at U of T studying political science and visual studies — wrote that she finds it difficult to imagine dating a Central Asian man because they tend to have a patriarchal mindset.

She adds, “That doesn’t mean… there are no Central Asian men that [have progressive views],” just that she wouldn’t be with a Central Asian man as long as he was “brought up” with traditionally patriarchal views like “putting women in the kitchen and pumping them with children at the ripe age of 19.”

Although the experiences of Central Asian and East Asian women differ, the Western tendency to group Asian cultures into one manifests in the stereotyping and exoticising of both East and Central Asian women in similar ways.

“I definitely know that when an Asian man likes me it is not really because he thinks I am different,” said Ormonbekova. “[W]hereas I’ve had more senses of curiosity coming from [white] men I’ve talked to.”

The alternation between Ormonbekova’s encounters with white and Central Asian men demonstrates the implicit differences that Asian women experience when a white man is attracted to them. Moreover, it was interesting to see Ormonbekova talk about Asian men’s patriarchal mindset because I see these men growing resentful towards WMAF pairings and only responding to Asian women with more misogyny.

Members of the Asian Men’s Rights Movement(MRAsians) are a subculture of Asian-American men who often target and harass Asian women dating white men. While I think there are valid questions to ask about standing in solidarity with the men of your own race, to suggest that Asian women should only date Asian men extends into policing the bodies of Asian women.

Jake Takeuchi — a third-year Japanese-Canadian student at U of T studying English and political science — said in an interview with The Varsity that he believes MRAsians have “misplaced anger” and suggests there are other areas of the “power structure” we should be critiquing.

For example, he doesn’t see the same “emotional reaction” by MRAsians to how “Asian art has been appropriated.” This begs the question of whether Asian men’s resentment truly stems from an expectation that women should be culturally faithful, or specifically faithful to the men of their culture.

An article published in the 2021 Journal of Asian American Studies argued that MRAsians misuse theories of gender and race to critique the role that whiteness plays in ideals of masculinity, while positioning “Asian American male grievance in fundamental opposition to feminism.”

The advocacy of Asian men against racial discrimination should not oppose feminism; ideally, it stands in solidarity with it.

Rather than policing the sex lives of Asian women, attempting to dismantle the racial hierarchy would have a more structural impact if we examine how Western media emasculates and desexualizes Asian men. They are often portrayed as the nerdy comedic relief rather than the disarming leading man.

Asian men and women can start unpacking the hetero-racial structure by recognizing that we can be both victims and complicit in upholding it.
Charmaine Yu

As Takeuchi notes, Asian men’s resentment against Asian women is probably “rooted in the male loneliness epidemic” and a “desire to be wanted sexually.” He adds that MRAsians’ feeling that the WMAF pairing is “unfair” is because of “some sort of ownership” over Asian women.

I believe this gender fracture within the diasporic Asian community is yet another symptom of white supremacy itself. It’s the classic ‘divide and rule’ tactic that made colonialism so successful. For example, when Asian men suggest that Asian women only date white men for money, they perpetuate long-standing stereotypes about Asian women and sex work, stereotypes that have contributed to horrifying rates of sexual violence and mass murder against Asian women.

For example, the 2021 Atlanta Spa shooting shows how the hypersexualized perception of Asian women being sex workers has led to violence perpetrated by white men.

I don’t think it’s difficult to understand why racialized men, particularly Asian men — who statistically receive the least attention on dating appsalongside Black women — grow resentful of a system that upholds white men as the pinnacle of masculinity. It’s also understandable to me why Asian men, feeling powerless within white supremacist structures, would feel an extra sense of betrayal when they see Asian women regularly dating white men.

But Asian women are not the ones who can dictate the hetero-racial hierarchy; they too are marginalized. White women continue to be seen as the pinnacle of femininity, and when I’ve been attracted to white men, I’ve had to ask myself terrible things like, “What if he’s not into Asian girls?” or “Maybe he’d like me more if I were white, or hell, even half-white.”

On the other hand, being hypersexualized as an Asian woman and positioned as favourable or desirable romantic and sexual partners should never be seen as a ‘perk’ of the hetero-racial hierarchy. Desexualization and hypersexualization are two sides of the same coin, both carrying devastating consequences. While being systematically rejected in the dating pool is painful, it’s equally painful to be reduced to a mere porn category.

No theory for love

Love is complex and untheorizable. My own experiences cannot be generalized to every member of a racial group. As Takeuchi pointed out in one of our other conversations, perhaps I had just met “shitty white men.”

My past struggles with connecting with white men do not mean that interracial relationships between racialized and non-racialized people can never work. Takeuchi mentioned that he never felt a racial “disconnect” that affected his relationships with white women. If anything, it was the “relationship with [his former partners’] parents” that made things difficult. He believes “our generation is more tolerant and [has] seen more interracial relationships in their lives and media.”

Ormonbekova also said, “I am usually open to any race and can find any race attractive but I do see myself dating someone of mixed race or of Asian descent if I want our cultural bond to be the premise of the relationship.”

There will always be limitations in interracial relationships involving a racialized and a non-racialized person, as the white partner may never fully understand the racialized experience, which can affect their perspective on the world. However, limitations are not unique to racial or cultural differences. They can arise from gender, age, religion, class, or family structures.

You simply have to ask yourself if you’re willing to accept that your partner may not fully comprehend your cultural or racial experiences and whether their other ways of understanding and relating to you can compensate for it.

Undeniably, the marginalization of Asian men reveals a history of systemic emasculation. As an Asian woman, it’s disheartening for me to see Asian men feeling undesired and unattractive. It’s certainly worth examining the complex relationship between race, social status, and sexual capital.

If you’re a racialized person who finds yourself seeking validation from white men because it feels more meaningful than other forms of sexual validation, I encourage you to reflect on why that might be. Ignoring racial dynamics and pretending we live in a post-racial, colour-blind society only reinforces white power structures.

It might be unfair to blame either Asian men or women for the Oxford study phenomenon, given that we’re both living under a societal framework built around whiteness. However, Asian men and women can start unpacking the hetero-racial structure by recognizing that we can be both victims and complicit in upholding it.

I’m no ‘reformed Asian woman’ for dating an Asian man — it will probably always feel different to be gazed upon by a white man. But, now, I don’t really feel the need to look if they’re gazing at me.
 
I mean, I guess that kind of sucks. But honestly, this is all talking about what it's like in western countries.

Yes, I am specifically talking about Asians living in Western countries. They are racially insecure about themselves and constantly rebounding from seeking approval of Whites to blaming them for everything. The writer of the OP article is the textbook definition of this.

Asians in homogeneous 99% Asian countries live in relative peace and harmony and don't have the racial issues like we do in the West. Whites living there are at best left alone or hired for unironically DEI purposes (LOL!) and at worst are treated as foreigners in perpetuity or typecasted as villains in their movies.

Indian men have never had a good reputation. At least not in places where there's any significant numbers of them entirely because of the way they behave. They're by and large spoiled, entitled acting man children who lack any and all concept of how to behave properly in public around people. I'm enjoying watching the rest of the world catch up on the pajeet hatred.

If talking in general (not just dating) I disagree slightly. Maybe it differs based on where you lived, but at one in time, Indians had somewhat of a good reputation. As exemplified by Apu, Indians were a quiet and lawabiding demographic, owning and running the local stores and restaurants from day till night, serving the community's needs. If nothing else, they weren't like the destructive niggers, as faint as that praise can be and they also weren't Muslims like their Pakistani cousins so they didn't have the extremist terrorist baggage (or in the UK, the rapist baggage).

But then Indians started buying into the progressive leftist ideology and one of the early victims was cancelling Apu (as well as his non-Indian voice actor) from The Simpsons who they felt was a negative stereotype of Indians. Ask any Simpsons watcher and they would only have good things to say about Apu. That was the Indian community's first mistake: they removed a positive Indian stereotype/caricature but what did they replace it with? Well, we will find out soon enough...

Most recently of course, we had the Musk/Trump H1B Visa controversy. It was at this point the Indian community made their second mistake: to act arrogant against the local population. In their sheer fucking hubris, they thought it would be a good idea to express how much harder working and intellectually/academically superior Indians are and that they should have the right to flood the West and entitled to all of the jobs because the locals are lazy and dumb. Even if Indians are racially superior (which they are not, otherwise mother India wouldn't be a shithole country), this is a bad idea.

As a response, anti-Indian sentiment hit fever pitch and everything we racists already knew about Indians and their conduct in society, it all started pouring into the light to the greater non-racist mainstream public. Indian scam callers, their curry body odor, designated shitting streets, the Poo In The Loo campaign, disgusting food hygiene in Indian street food preparation, rape culture in India and the tourist who was ganged raped while her cuck husband watched, the swarming of Indian men on White women as if she was a Hollywood celebrity, Indians hiring Indians nepotism in the workplace, coding incompetence by Indian computer engineers, Sihk/Hindu political assassinations while using Canada for their turf war, the list goes on.

Great, you cancelled Apu. But at what cost?
 
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If talking in general (not just dating) I disagree slightly. Maybe it differs based on where you lived, but at one in time, Indians had somewhat of a good reputation
If nothing else, they weren't like the destructive niggers, as faint as that praise can be and they also weren't Muslims like their Pakistani cousins so they didn't have the extremist terrorist baggage (or in the UK, the rapist baggage).
Punjabis have never had a good reputation where i'm from at least as long as I've been alive because they've consistently been blamed for fucking up the trucking industry. It's also always been fairly well known how incredibly rude and condescending they are towards women and they run a bunch of the east Indian gangs. The Hindus tend to get lumped in with them but it's usually Hindus that do the spoiled manchild thing and a lot of that comes from their absolutely retarded religion. The Sikhs are really the only ones people here seem to think are polite, just because they generally are when you encounter them in public, even though the Sikhs are probably the most fucked up of them all and are the ones that run the nastiest east Indian gangs.

A lot of that shit you mention about Apu sounds like it comes from an American perspective, which, makes sense. I think Canada ended up with more of them, even before Trudeau, just because of our ties with the UK so generally there's probably more well established Indian immigrant communities here.

I could see them having a fairly reasonable reputation in the UK as well just because the UK just sees them as silly little colonials that make vindaloos and butter chicken for them. People from the UK are a bit retarded like that.
 
A lot of that shit you mention about Apu sounds like it comes from an American perspective, which, makes sense. I think Canada ended up with more of them, even before Trudeau, just because of our ties with the UK so generally there's probably more well established Indian immigrant communities here.

Canada has a smaller population than the US but they're just as mass immigration trigger happy so that might explain why the negatives of Indians are more transparent or noticeable to Canadians. The US has a bigger population to absorb and dilute the Indian influence. Also the US, despite the decades of mass immigration, seems to have some sort of standards for newcomers (which is why they don't get Trucks of Peace or Muslim rapists like they do in Europe). The Indians and the Chinese admit it themselves: the Indians and Chinese who migrate to Canada and Australia are the ones that failed to get into the US.

I could see them having a fairly reasonable reputation in the UK as well just because the UK just sees them as silly little colonials that make vindaloos and butter chicken for them. People from the UK are a bit retarded like that.

The Sikhs are really the only ones people here seem to think are polite, just because they generally are when you encounter them in public, even though the Sikhs are probably the most fucked up of them all and are the ones that run the nastiest east Indian gangs.

The UK has a massive issue with Pakistani Muslims so any problems with Indians and Sikhs (if any) pale in comparison. Pakistani Muslims are overrepresented in British prisons, the same way Blacks are in the US.
 
The UK has a massive issue with Pakistani Muslims so any problems with Indians and Sikhs (if any) pale in comparison. Pakistani Muslims are overrepresented in British prisons, the same way Blacks are in the US.
That probably makes a difference. I dunno about back east but here at least Muslims really aren't much of a thing and the ones you do come across are the chill normal ones that are pretty much the equivalent of mild Christians. You wouldn't even know they were Muslim if they weren't from a country that was predominantly Muslim.
 
If talking in general (not just dating) I disagree slightly. Maybe it differs based on where you lived, but at one in time, Indians had somewhat of a good reputation. As exemplified by Apu, Indians were a quiet and lawabiding demographic, owning and running the local stores and restaurants from day till night, serving the community's needs. If nothing else, they weren't like the destructive niggers, as faint as that praise can be and they also weren't Muslims like their Pakistani cousins so they didn't have the extremist terrorist baggage (or in the UK, the rapist baggage).
I used to be subject to those positive stereotypes of Indians and then I learned that we're needing to pass laws to make caste discrimination illegal in places in the US with a prominent tech industry.

It made me take another look at Indians and what they bring to the table as immigrants.

I want to like Indians, I really do. Anyone dealing with Muslim nonsense has my sympathy by default. But if you look at Indian society carefully, you really see why Christianity and Islam are so popular there. For all of its faults, Islam is at least an egalitarian religion. Mohammed might be a kiddy diddler, but at least he treats everyone equally. Muslims aren't bound by some absurd ancestral birthright nonsense.
 
I used to be subject to those positive stereotypes of Indians and then I learned that we're needing to pass laws to make caste discrimination illegal in places in the US with a prominent tech industry.

It made me take another look at Indians and what they bring to the table as immigrants.

Yes, add caste discrimination to the list above. Immigrant Indians actually bring their caste system with them to the West into the job market. The joke is that while they are all "I am a superior Indian than you, I'm from the North", to the rest of us they're all Pajeets and Pajeetas without any distinction.

I want to like Indians, I really do. Anyone dealing with Muslim nonsense has my sympathy by default. But if you look at Indian society carefully, you really see why Christianity and Islam are so popular there. For all of its faults, Islam is at least an egalitarian religion. Mohammed might be a kiddy diddler, but at least he treats everyone equally. Muslims aren't bound by some absurd ancestral birthright nonsense.

Despite being a backwards sand religion, at least Islam/Muslims have some basic sense of health, hygiene and cleanliness. Something India/Hindus can learn from.
 
Chinks forever mad & lustful towards round eyes and hair that isn't black.
My only weaknesses in life: Mild-mid dumpy Asian broads and French Silk Pie. They oddly find me attractive because of my alleged tall aryan stride when really it’s a spud sucking mick waddle.

I feel bad about probably doing a quick smash into this lady and not calling her back.
 
In a very honest conversation with my boyfriend, he admitted to feeling similarly about receiving attraction from white women. I can’t even fault him. I understand that if a white woman could be attracted to an Asian man — a group that is systemically overlooked in the dating pool — then he might feel like he is “beating the system” or “winning at the white man’s game.”
Doesn't even realize that if her current BF gore a crumb of white pussy ued dump her ass. many such cases.
 
Yassss Queeen!!! Slay!!!

I strongly support ending interacial dating. Shit, make it illegal for all I care.

And kindly fuck off to Hong Kong with you chopsticks and your cucked Asian boyfriend.
 
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>Implying we're white
This forum is actually full of exceptional POCs.
I'm definitely 100% pure European, just look how I sheepishly censor ni##er all the time.
Would she hump David Bowie's leg tho?
I'm otherwise 100% straight, but David Bowie in his prime was pure sex.
That sounds about right. Asian men are viewed as non-sexual automatons/invisible beings and this is reflected in dating app stats where they are ranked dead last in the racial hierarchy. The only saving grace is that East Asian men can go for the kpop aesthetic (which to be fair, has its niche of fans) which is more than can be said of Indian men, who have as of late, took a pounding on their reputation.
Remember South Asians count as Asians in those stats. FOB East Asian men underperform with Westerners, but the taller and more assimilated the guy, the better they do.
Because East Asian penises are small, and smell of prawns.
Actually dongs and wangs generally are as proportionate to their height as johnsons and wieners.
What's Null's policy on posting dickpics as evidence?
 
And I thought the aznmasculinity guys were cringe...
 
What would she, other ones like her or any liberal white woman say about this

Completely off-topic, and it's hilarious that people have already gotten bored of this woman's predictable and formulaic anti-White screed, it's been hilarious watching Africans finally realize that they're getting colonized again, except it's the Chinese this time. We've been telling them for years that the Belt and Road initiative was just a different name for colonization and they didn't believe us, despite us being the masters of this whole colonization thing.
 
Every single woman like this is baiting someone to swoop in and fuck her sane.

How fucking utterly hilarious it is that the same Chinkess has sabotaged that with being such a leftoid nobody's going to take one for the team due to #metoo fears. Bitch probably smells like soy sauce anyway.
 
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