Why does it seem so many young men can't accept themselves and accept rejection these days?

[DamnWolves!]

This is not an original thought, but one theory is that media has kind of fucked up young boys' perception of what it takes to attract the opposite sex and made them unattractive to women.

Consider the male-oriented romantic comedy--Revenge of the Nerds, Wedding Crashers, There's Something About Mary, Say Anything, Superbad, and countless others. In these movies, the way you get the girl is by being nice to her, persistently, until she sees "the real you" and likes you back. Make a grand, romantic gesture even if she has expressed nothing but contempt for you; your creepy persistence will eventually pay off, goyim! It isn't just teenage boys; these beliefs about love and attraction can stick with men until their 30s, when they will finally become more mature and self-esteem is not really a concept they have to concern themselves with anymore (NEETs who spend all their time on Mongolian basket-weaving forums excepted). There's this image of the bashful, shy guy coming out of his shell and "getting the girl" through a grand, romantic gesture but in real life, this makes girls who aren't attracted to the guy horribly uncomfortable and file a restraining order. I have personally witnessed guys try this--this one guy organized a "scavenger hunt" throughout the school for his crush, with notes and little gifts and shit, and to this day her reaction is still one of the most cringe-inducing things I have ever seen.

Funnily enough, romance movies geared towards women, like The Notebook or--god forbid--50 Shades of Grey still feature strong, masculine, forceful love interests, because that's what women find attractive. This has been how our species has worked since the dawn of time; why our Jewish media overlords decided this perception needed to change I'm not sure, but it's feminized the crap out of our men. At the same time, culture in general has become highly feminized: whoever can feel the most is right in 2021 America. Our culture encourages people who feel anger or hurt to express it in the most dramatic way possible.

As for why these guys form communities: it's because they actually have a really good point. As recently as 1990, you would be branded a fucking whore if you slept with as many men as the average woman does now. Social pressures caused men and women to pair off--roughly within their own status tiers--and get married. The average age of first marriage has crept up 10 years in the past 50 years; is it any wonder that 20-something year old guys are frustrated if they aren't having romantic success for a decade? Remember, we're not even talking about the bottom 80% of men here; we're talking about probably the bottom 30, 35% who join these groups and movements. I guarantee you that the bottom 30% of men are more repulsive now than they were 50 years ago, especially in light of obesity rates. It used to be that if you were destined to be a retarded wagie, you'd end up lower-middle class with a homely, but not repulsive, women. Now all those women are landwhales.

I'd pick inceldom over whale hunting too.

 

[Thomas Highway]

Jesus Christ....

 

[need shoeonhead nudes]

You can't get rejected if you don't ask

Getting over your fear of rejection is a super power in this age. Fuck dude people don't even want to talk on the phone to strangers. If you are not afraid of rejection, slightly sociopathic or whatever... you could make a shitload of money being a cold caller over the phone selling products to businesses. And so few people are capable of this skill set, if you are, you can work from home and have all kinds of benefits. Businesses will suck your dick and play with your balls.

In general most whites still have a lot of shame, they are afraid of being rejected. That's why niggers are viewed as "more fun" they just don't care, they don't have shame, and lower impulse control.

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Diogenes | The Philosopher Who Urinated On People 📽️ - Einzelgänger

When you think of philosophy, the shameless behavior of Diogenes the Cynic probably isn’t the first thing that comes to mind.

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He himself, and not the outside world, was in control of his happiness. Moreover, Diogenes sought to live a life of toil. Because by deliberately living a hard life, we do not only become stronger, but also more capable of enjoying the little things. An example of this was that he frequently begged from statues, which he saw as a practice of being rejected.

This fucking chad chilled infront of innanimate statues and talked to them, to get over his fear of rejection.

 

[Xenomorph]

Because they circlejerk on /r9k/, /pol/ and r/incel all day in an echo-chamber. Reminds me of a guy named Kent he has a thread here, gets more and more withdrawn and angry the more he is exposed to other guys just sitting there angry all day about the women they also claim are useless and stupid. Pure insanity.

 

[Yellow Yam Scam]

What has caused this? years back average looking or unattractive men didn't really care about their looks and they didn't have this type of defeatist mentality about it either when it came to opposite sex rejection.

cite your sources

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Cold approaching and talking to women has been something men struggled with and were shy about for a long time. Unless natural pussy slayer.

Just back in the day there wasn't internet so you had to socialize more in the meatspace, leading to more opportunities to make male-female friendships which lead to relationships.

Society also used to be rigged, through lots of neurotic rules and etiquette, to tell autists exactly what to do in a social situation.

Now that’s all gone and they’re left to flounder.

 

[need shoeonhead nudes]

Society also used to be rigged, through lots of neurotic rules and etiquette, to tell autists exactly what to do in a social situation.

Now that’s all gone and they’re left to flounder.

Oh yep that's a good point. Women used to be involved in more healthy types of social circles. Like church, womens groups, and were part of larger families with siblings to judge them, etc.
These kinds of support groups with older women guiding younger women into making responsible and healthy life choices, are completely gone and destroyed. They would be lambasted for dating the bad boy kind of thing, because the women knew he's not going to stay around or be a good dad.

 

[shameful existence]

I don't even think men are on average taking rejection worse these days than they used to.

And yes, obsession with the physical is due to society's feminization, but also because half of the more traditionally attractive masculine behavior is semi-banned or semi-impossible these days. Calhoun's "beautiful ones" come to mind too. Cities are overpopulated wastelands where you can't even hunt your own food, get your own land or protect your own home.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Women used to be involved in more healthy types of social circles. Like church, womens groups, and were part of larger families with siblings to judge them, etc.
These kinds of support groups with older women guiding younger women into making responsible and healthy life choices, are completely gone and destroyed. They would be lambasted for dating the bad boy kind of thing, because the women knew he's not going to stay around or be a good dad.

Have sex LOL.

 

[The Emperor Skeksis]

Oh yep that's a good point. Women used to be involved in more healthy types of social circles. Like church, womens groups, and were part of larger families with siblings to judge them, etc.
These kinds of support groups with older women guiding younger women into making responsible and healthy life choices, are completely gone and destroyed. They would be lambasted for dating the bad boy kind of thing, because the women knew he's not going to stay around or be a good dad.

Don't put this on women, women have more social ties and circles than men do. Women will always create their own social circles and social structure, even when those turn toxic as hell and are really just bullying. Male spergs are the ones who completely flunk out of society and become NEETs without any social structure and rules pushed upon them.

 

[Maxxicus Callahan]

Speaking from my own experience but I feel there are no longer any markers for coming of age with men and perhaps women also I don’t know. But In the not too distant past there were strong commands of men to sacrifice and carry out your duty, fulfill a role in society and so on. In some countries today there still exists a mandatory military service. It doesn’t necessarily have to be military but I think men need purpose and roles to feel like they are being included in society. This comes from being entrusted with responsibility to protect or act in the service of others. A lot of men who feel they are low status are alienated in jobs that are unfulfilling with lives that appear to hold no greater meaning for them. They look at what defines male success and it’s wealth, good looks and social climbing. I think masculinity should be held up with inclusion and bringing up others. The alpha/beta shit is pretty dumb. Yes there are winners and losers but society isn’t a winner take all game. I see the dick measuring contests of billionaires comparing wealth and who can get their personal space project off the ground and it’s the dumbest thing.

Edit: the thing about rejection and not being able to handle it is an ego thing if we are talking about a rejection for a relationship, a man who is insecure can feel that being in a relationship provides him with a sense of identity and self worth. He doesn’t want to lose out if he thinks he’s been given that rare opportunity and thinks about it like it was a magic solution to his life problems.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

1. Too much time online and not enough in meat space. There were far too many kids parents let the internet raise. Exposure to porn early on created really weird expectations for some people, then tack on the communities incels usually were a part of and you have a decent recipe for a disaster if they don't escape.

2. Fewer father figures even in media as has been covered was a problem. If you didn't have a dad or your dad sucked it used to be you could go find a badass male figure in a movie and dream he was your dad. We kind of lost those kinds of movies somewhere along the way, while simultaneously letting media grow more important in our lives.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Because men are flailing in the dark and have no idea what they're doing anymore.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Boys are raised like little girls. Its not surprising they've started acting like them.

Edit: Young men need strong masculine role models and a healthy introduction into becoming a man. A lot of the incel, doomer, trad stuff is young guys desperately grabbing out at what they think will make them a man.

There's definitely a feminization. To see heterosexual guys with this mentality is quite shocking. Something definitely went wrong culturally in the last decade or so.

 

[Billy Beer]

Watch a popular/cult film from your grandparents generation that shows the ideal man. What do you see?

Watch a popular/cult film from your parents generation parents that shows the ideal man. What do you see?

Watch a popular/cult film from today that shows the ideal man. What do you see?

There's your answer. The first two were 'real' interpretations of men. Today it's all fantastical and has no bearing in reality

 

[Zero Day Defense]

There's definitely a feminization. To see heterosexual guys with this mentality is quite shocking. Something definitely went wrong culturally in the last decade or so.

Try the 1960s onward.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The internet and dating sites in particular. 20 years ago you were very much limited by location and social circles with who you can date, so compromising was the norm. But the rise of the internet, where everyone can see and speak with a huge crowds of people, has destroyed people's idea of what is "normal" and both massively decreased men's confidence and massively raised women's standards.

Couple that with dating sites culture where getting a date is 100% what you look like, people primarily being in shallow relationships and women deciding to settle down at 40. The whole concept of a romantic relationship has basically been destroyed.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Oh, here's another follow up from the repeated rejection thing. If you even THINK your rejections might not be ENTIRELY your own fault (for example, that it might be partly due to the fucked gender dynamics of the modern world, or even just bad luck), and happen to be in possession of a penis, you'll be called a creepy, entitled sex pest who obviously thinks women OWE you sex just for existing, you misogynistic pig.

And you add another weight to the opposing side of the "Is this really worth it?" scale.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Something definitely went wrong culturally in the last decade or so.

Women were liberated from the consequences of choice and given all the support in the world with zero agency required.