Why does it seem so many young men can't accept themselves and accept rejection these days?

[Regenbogen]

pussies mellowed out because of techMology

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Women were liberated from the consequences of choice and given all the support in the world with zero agency required.

The way most divorce courts rule, typically in favor of the woman, is indicative of this.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Women were liberated from the consequences of choice and given all the support in the world with zero agency required.

Women don't actually get much support. The thing is, is that women can be more honest with themselves about their shortcomings than men can especially related to rejection and lookism. Unattractive women know they're not going to get into the clubs/bar scene so they skip it. Some of these guys who are unattractive enter these places, get rejected/have no luck and then complain about society being ''unfair''. They can't seem to come to terms with being ugly and how the chances of them getting into long term relationship is unlikely. Instead they live in misery, now are considering plastic surgery to be a ''chad'' etc.

This won't actually help them though. They need to reach acceptance.

Also, for the unattractive women who engaged in ''glow up culture'' via plastic surgery let Kylie Jenner be a cautionary tale...



A reported ''1 million'' spent on plastic surgery and without makeup/filters she still looks less than average.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Women don't actually get much support. The thing is, is that women can be more honest with themselves about their shortcomings than men.

Actual, true & honest women? Not bloody likely.

Unattractive women know they're not going to get into the clubs/bar scene so they skip it. Some of these guys who are unattractive enter these places, get rejected/have no luck and then complain about society being ''unfair''.

Been to any real clubs lately, or maybe in the past ten years; are you even old enough to drink?
that's a rhetorical question.

They can't seem to come to terms with being ugly and how the chances of them getting into long term relationship is unlikely.

Ugly ≠ inability to form a LTR; that's a function of effort.

Instead they live in misery, now are considering plastic surgery to be a ''chad'' etc.

This won't actually help them though. They need to reach acceptance.

Sounds like a personal choice to me, and they need to sack up instead.

 

[L50LasPak]

Depression used to be tremendously more prevalent among women than men, and now men are almost more or less neck and neck with women. A known symptom of depression is self hatred. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Actual, true & honest women? Not bloody likely.

Been to any real clubs lately, or maybe in the past ten years; are you even old enough to drink?
that's a rhetorical question.

Ugly ≠ inability to form a LTR; that's a function of effort.

Sounds like a personal choice to me, and they need to sack up instead.

I will say this, I never got any ''support'' as a female. Nor did my social circle. Everyone worked as much they could to afford basics. I even worked as a tree planter one year in my early 20's, many of my other friends (female) took construction jobs, factory work. Female privilege is rare, though seems more common because the rich girls are using and showing off on social media. You are seeing such a small subset of females with this kind of lifestyle.

 

[Bonesjones]

All traditional avenues of male development have been removed, so you are left with nothing but feminine pathways. So you get a bunch of angry confused men who don't fit. It compounds because they don't fit what women biologically want. This leads to an external explosion of emotion where they want to tear down the system that betrayed them. History has proven this time and time again.

 

[Comrade Autogynephilia]

Biggest blackpill is that the incels were more or less right about everything.
Like alot of people, I initially looked at incel forums to laugh at them only be 'blackpilled' myself, I'm now very sympathetic to them. 90% of what they is true, it's backed up with statistics/studies, but also you can see it's plainly correct just looking around with your own eyes. The 80/20 split, the alarming rise of inceldom in US males in the last 10 years with no such equal for women etc. I've found if you present incel ideology to normal people, with out disclosing where it came from, they'll largly agree it's true.
Obviously women are desperate to maintain this huge advantage/pedestal for as long as possible. Look at the Incel thread on here, it's full of feminists intentionally misrepresenting what they're saying and a general misandrist fart sniffing circle jerk. They too know this stuff is real and they terrified society will catch up to the incel theories.

People talking about men now afraid of rejection, 10-15 years ago rejection just meant the girl politely let you down and you got on with it. Now women have been brainwashed to beieve that any male they find sexually un-appealing (i.e. the bottom 80%) expressing any kind of sexual function to be literal violence. If one makes a pass at a women it is sexual harrasment that they are injured by up to and including claiming to have full blown PTSD, and so obviously the man must be severely punished.

10 years ago rejection was a bruise to the ego, now it's having your life destroyed by these vindictive cunts. and the whole of society has their back right now, I can't see how it's ever going to get better until women can be talked down from their ridiculous, un-sustainable, un-earned, privileged position they hold in society.

 

[DJ Grelle]

>What's the worst thing she can say? No?
The worst thing a woman can say when you ask her out is "Ew".
That anecdote told, now on to the big question:

This has birthed all these ''black pill'' ''red pill'' ''whatever pill'' subcultures. You guys know what I'm talking about with these huge subcultures of people who complain about being romantically rejected and about their looks. It used to be a notoriously female thing to concentrate on physical flaws but I've never seen so many men getting into this themselves.

If i understand correctly you are wondering about the blackpill/lookismpill, and both its sides (Incel LDAR anger and above average looksmaxx body dysmorphia).

First: what is lookism?
Lookism is the theory that better-looking people are treated better by society. That there exists a hierarchy based on looks, and that ugly people are discriminated against for something (mostly) out of their control. "Looks" for these people goes far further than simply a nice haircut and being dressed nice: if your skull misses a few mm of bone on the jaw or the orbital rim, then you are ugly and it is over. You can't get a haircut for your jaw or orbital rim or can you? so you can't even starve yourself like with anorexia.

There exists a base for this kind of thinking. We are still animals and good looks are often a sign of good (genetic) health and being a worthwhile mate. Blackpillers take this to an autistic, body dysmorphia level. There are two approaches to this: LDAR and Looksmaxx

LDAR; short for Lie Down And Rot, is the incel approach. You're too ugly and no woman will ever love you so you better find a fun cope to distract yourself from all the sex chad is having and you aren't, until you die and rot.

Looksmaxx; You have some good basics but you aren't chad. Then you can take experimental steroids, undergo surgery, fraud through shoe-lifts etc etc all in an attempt to look like Chad and be loved.

Where does this come from? (social) media sets impossibly high standards, dating apps destroy normal dating, it all becomes a shallow thing. You have to look the best out of ten thousand men or the girl won't swipe you right. Then it combines with our completely oversexed society. TV, movies, porn, social media, all makes it seem like everyone is having wild sex all the time with many strangers. If you arent having wild sex all the time, you don't fit in. Combined with typical teenage bragging and you'd think everyone got their dick wet on their 14th bday party to a stripper.

Now imagine an average looking guy. He sees all the sex that he thinks people are having, and he wants to have sex too. So he downloads tinder, makes a profile and .... gets maybe a few matches but not the SEX ALL THE TIME that he was promised. So he goes online, looks up why he isnt having sex. He either finds incel forums the first and gives up or finds looksmaxx forums the first and tries to looksmaxx.

Thats where the incel epidemic is coming from. And its not just a few guys. Estimates range up to 30% (and rising) of 18-24 year olds pre corona was celibate.

 

[Lemmingwise]

What has caused this?

The same thing that caused the growth of incels and wine aunts. Decline of marriage. Which was caused by decline of christianity and growth of gay marriage.

When marriage is taken out of the picture both men and women revert to their natural inclinations and like most apes that results in sexual organization where women choose to share the top men rather than a kind of even sharing that marriage creates where (almost) everyone gets a partner. Men that don't manage to compete go crazy or buy services. And women that end up no longer being able to compete due to aging either end up alone or deeply unhappy with the guy she settled with, because she had better previously.

But it's also not as terrible as people online think, because social media makes people think:

 

[TFT-A9]

A dearth of decent role models. Shitty parenting. A culture that can't seem to stop shitting on them for an iotasecond, sometimes even before they're born. A world that is determined to offer them fewer and grimmer prospects, if they're offered anything at all.

 

[TFT-A9]

oh wow how did I miss THIS gem

Female privilege is rare

Bitch you have the franchise and access to things like grants and loans for higher education without the caveat of Selective Service, you are the beneficiary of so many motherfucking laws, programs and systems within and without the government and you are saying this with a fucking straight face. Your entire sex is getting FAWNED over from childhood by educators, corporations, you are constantly told how awesome and wonderful you are no matter what and how you can do NO wrong in the eyes of people who matter, and anyone who controverts that sentiment doesn't matter

You are being cultivated into navel-gazing narcissists, and you're pretty okay with it

 

[Francesco Dellamorte]

Unattractive women know they're not going to get into the clubs/bar scene so they skip it.

lmao

 

[Sweetpeaa]

oh wow how did I miss THIS gem

Bitch you have the franchise and access to things like grants and loans for higher education without the caveat of Selective Service, you are the beneficiary of so many motherfucking laws, programs and systems within and without the government and you are saying this with a fucking straight face. Your entire sex is getting FAWNED over from childhood by educators, corporations, you are constantly told how awesome and wonderful you are no matter what and how you can do NO wrong in the eyes of people who matter, and anyone who controverts that sentiment doesn't matter

You are being cultivated into navel-gazing narcissists, and you're pretty okay with it

Nah, there's no education grants and loans exclusively for females in Canada. I don't know about the U.S but it's not a thing here. Most people pay their tuition by working. Fawned over by educators? I spent most of my elementary years in portables with 30 kids and apathetic teachers. High school was almost independent instruction. I don't even remember having a conversation with a teacher. What programs do women benefit from? there doesn't seem to be anything like that here in Canada. There is a small child tax credit for families. There isn't much else. Unlike the states there is no ''prefered female custody'' in court. Judges look at parental income, mental health and criminal history. Lots of men walk away from a custody case with full parental rights as long as they check all the right boxes.

 

[TFT-A9]

Nah, there's no education grants and loans exclusively for females in Canada. I don't know about the U.S but it's not a thing here. Most people pay their tuition by working. Fawned over by educators? I spent most of my elementary years in portables with 30 kids and apathetic teachers. High school was almost independent instruction. I don't even remember having a conversation with a teacher. What programs do women benefit from? there doesn't seem to be anything like that here in Canada. There is a small child tax credit for families. There isn't much else. Unlike the states there is no ''prefered female custody'' in court. Judges look at parental income, mental health and criminal history. Lots of men walk away from a custody case with full parental rights as long as they check all the right boxes.

Oh. Canada.

Dunno then.

 

[shameful existence]

The same thing that caused the growth of incels and wine aunts. Decline of marriage. Which was caused by decline of christianity and growth of gay marriage.

This is something everyone does - take institutions they care for and blame a problem on them not being present enough. All those things didn't disappear by themselves. The balance between the sexes was disturbed by our own technological progress. Once physical strength matters less and survival itself isn't the overwhelming day to day concern, women have more power as a default. If you want to point to something, point to the industrial revolution. And hope for a big enough piece of stone to hit the planet and send us back to the conditions for which most of our psychology evolved. Marriage was created to handle those instincts in a civilization. But naturally weakens in a society that has the pill and a washing machine.

Here's the good part: people who choose to live decent lives these day do so by a personal choice. Have babies with them if you want a nicer world. Some incels are worth reasoning if you want some good deeds to your name. The rest are a self-solving problem in the long run.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

What has caused this?

1. Culture of instant gratification.
2. Telling kids how great and special they are and how they can be and do whatever they want.

 

[Muttnik]

It's not men's or women's faults. It's just that Western society is slowly imploding and we're all becoming more and more terrible because of it.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Comes with the territory of being told you're hot shit all your life. When mom tells you you're her special little man, and never criticizes you, how can you even be prepared for rejection?

 

[TFT-A9]

It's not men's or women's faults. It's just that Western society is slowly imploding and we're all becoming more and more terrible because of it.

Picking at and squabbling over the scraps we're left. A distinct kind of affected sociopathy is being inculcated across the board, really - deliberately or otherwise. A "fuck you got mine" mentality that would make the worst of the Boomers wrinkle their noses.