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Why I’m a fundamentalist atheist​

Since we’re coming up to Easter, let me start with an anecdote from last Chanukkah. In early December I got a phone call from my local rabbi. I wasn’t even aware that I had a local rabbi. Nonetheless, he’d somehow got hold of my number, and launched straight in with a request for me to come and light a big menorah — that candelabra thing you’ve seen in Jewish houses, only a giant version — that was going to be standing outside the synagogue this year.

I didn’t much fancy doing that, so I played what I thought was my trump card. “So sorry to tell you this, rabbi,” I said, thinking I’d better break it to him gently, “but I’m an atheist.”

“So am I!” he said brightly.

This took me aback, but only for a second, as it fits my sense that all Jews are really atheists. Jewishness is much more about culture and tradition and ritual than it is about God. This may be true for other minorities, but not for the majority religion, for one simple reason: Christians — at least Church of England ones — have never been persecuted. When Jews, or any other minority, talk about identity, it always carries with it associations of survival. The old joke Jews make at the start of any big Jewish festival — and will be making this week as they sit down to the Seder, the meal that celebrates Passover — is: they tried to kill us, they failed, let’s eat. It’s funny, but it points to something Protestants in the UK cannot feel: at one time these rituals could only be conducted in secret and their continuance fought for in the face of eradication.

There is perhaps a relationship between this and something I read last week, which is that a quarter of churches hold no Sunday service. It is a stark thing to consider on Easter Day. But the emptying of churches now may, paradoxically, have something to do with Christianity’s historical dominance. Christianity is the child of Judaism. It went on to completely outclass its parent in popularity because it contains a very clear and relatable idea of God. Jesus, the cross-breeding of God and man, is a brilliant conceit — it creates a worship that is also a kind of empathy, a unique combination of adoration and identification. In contrast, the God of the Old Testament is a kind of cantankerous mist. The literalness of Christianity’s vision of God is part of its appeal.

The same literalness made my Catholic friend Frank Skinner once say to me he was terrified of “burning in hellfire” for committing the sin of adultery (technically — he was divorced at the time).

But success — at least in a country where no one is compelled any more, either by force or indoctrination, to believe in the primary religion — can breed complacency. Conversely, people hold on more fervently to religion in the face of persecution.

In his televised history The Story of the Jews Simon Schama talks about the exile of the Jews from Spain in 1492, and says this about how the diaspora survived: “There were some things that could not be taken from the Jews. Their language, their music, their poetry, their richly spiced, gorgeous cooking. And above all, of course — inside their heads, inside their hearts, inside their little books, inside all the things designed for portability and endurance — their religion.” They survived because of their tenacity, their closed-community systems, their ability to move geographically when they needed to. But the expression of their survival was the religion.

Which may be why I — a fundamentalist atheist, as I call myself in my new book, The God Desire — still sometimes perform these rituals. I may not fancy going to light my local rabbi’s menorah, but in our house we celebrate Passover and Chanukkah. Saying all that stuff in the prayer book makes you feel more Jewish, and there are times, threatened times, when you need to feel that, regardless of the reality or otherwise of Hashem (God). Protestants in the UK, never having known what it might mean not to survive as a community, do not — I assume — feel this particular psychological urgency.

I used to say that being a Jewish atheist meant I don’t believe in God but I do believe in Larry David. Which means that for me being a Jew is more about comedy than prayer. But David’s masterpieces, Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm, with their obsession with the minutiae of human experience, have been described, correctly, as a kind of “dark Talmud”. (The Talmud being the enormous record of oral arguments about the meaning of Jewish laws and the Old Testament, a book in which minutiae has never been more minute.)

The religion hangs around. Being a cultural Jew still involves knowledge of — interacting with, being ironic about, having a comic take on — the religion. Sometimes the irony falls away. A friend of mine — a man of science, an atheist — whose son died tragically young sang Kaddish, the Jewish prayer for the dead, at the funeral. In English the words — which begin, “Magnified and sanctified be Your name, O God, throughout the world” — are, for me, meaningless. It is the usual endless, OCD-ish repetition of praise, the desperate hope that if you say something enough a fragment might get through the ether. I do not find it moving.

But with the Hebrew you don’t have to know what it means. Yit-gadal v’yit-kadash sh’may raba: the sound carries the association of the ancient alphabet, which I can read because I had to learn it at my Jewish primary school. At the burial of a son, just the sound — the ancient music, the sonic pain — connects you, the atheist Jew praying and the atheist Jew listening, with centuries of tradition and suffering and defiance. I knew I would do the same in my friend’s terrible place.

This is all in the service of saying that I’m an atheist who knows what religion means; how it comforts and sustains and tells us key stories about ourselves, without the necessity of literal truth. I am as possessed as anyone else by the God desire — a need to feel there is something greater than ourselves, something that will survive us, that gives our lives meaning.
Religion may no longer preside over society, but that desire persists, and we find it satisfied now outside religion. Football, for example, fills a God-shaped hole. It makes you feel connected to something outside yourself. It is, in a small way, eternal. It has songs and colours and uniforms and high priests and objects of worship. And it provides identity, which, more than ever, is what we all seem to seek. But it is only one of many, many ways — think, perhaps, of that long, reverent queue past the Queen’s coffin last September — in which we find new ways to worship.

I am as much in need of wonder and magical thinking and eternal yearning as the next atheist, but perhaps just happier to admit it. Which may be why in our house we also celebrate Christmas and Easter. Who cares about God when there’s chocolate to be eaten? Besides, no one is going to tell me that the Bunny isn’t real.
 
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Just goes to show you can take the religion out of the jew but you can't take the jew out of a jew. Atheist kikes like Sam Harris are just as bad if not worse.
Well, it'd make sense because there is a strong link between Judaism as a religion and the ethnicity of the Jews. It's associated together in a way no other ethnic groups are. You have, for example, two different words for Indian and Hindu or Arab and Muslim and they don't mean the same. Also, not only not all Latinos are Catholics, but that's not even an ethnic group.

The thing about Jews as a group is that the religion is an important part of their culture and many are rejecting that. The only thing remaining is the ethnicity and many Jews see themselves as white (many are). So, at the end, being Jewish -for these people specifically- has the same vague loose meaning as being non-binary.
 
They’re skinwalkers. They want all the protections that being Jewish allows, but without any attempt to be Jewish beyond going to a Seder.
I respect anyone that follows their religion very closely and fervently. My main complaint of the ultra orthodox in Israel is they rely on gibs and don’t take up arms to protect themselves.
It's becoming to common to see Jews rejecting their religion and only embracing their culture for the victimhood points.
It’s actually a based holiday if you think about it. The Maccabees led a religious revolt against a government that had nothing but contempt for them. It’s funny how the narrative ignores the entire revolt except for the oil. The context of the revolt and even who the Maccabees are is largely unknown to the general public and it’s a shame.
 
I didn’t much fancy doing that, so I played what I thought was my trump card. “So sorry to tell you this, rabbi,” I said, thinking I’d better break it to him gently, “but I’m an atheist.”

“So am I!” he said brightly.
Jesus spoke about people like this rabbi.
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. (Matthew 23:13)
 
Lovely. Not a believer, either. But I didn't know I could still have all the worst parts of the most hated group in the world without any of that transcendent, life affirming stuff.

Because I'm a herd animal that still needs to conform but hates to obey (fuck you, mom and dad!). Give me dogmatic tribalism without that pesky community and charity business. Give me AIDS without any drugs or sex.

What's the cost? I already lost my foreskin, but if I troon out I'll have a whole cock to donate and make me an instant priest in that church.
 
> from the U.K.
> "I'm an atheist"


No shit. And who cares?

What is it with Britbongs and their need to emphatically tell you they're DEFINITELY NOT RELIGIOUS? I've noticed this with tons of English podcast guests, even the ones who aren't anti-religion... or those who are actually pro-religion. Is it just a part of the English identity?
Pavlovian response imbued over the past several decades as part of a general effort to erase native culture and identity from the British Isles. You very rarely see British atheists who act normal and don't preach their atheism to others as its own variant of religion.
 
You did it guys, you tricked god, surely he's never gonna figure out you're using his name in vain if you hyphenate it.
Oh no don't think HaShem is stupid. HaShem is all knowing, you cannot trick HaShem. I don't have to censor the name "HaShem" because it means "The name."

Orthodox Jews are really under the same mindfuck Mormons do, you gotta love the shit out of God because this life is worth it. Even when you're on your deathbed be happy that you can be a servant.

And I'm starting to think even if it is all for nothing that's still a better way to live life than what Atheists do. Because Atheists just come off as the most shallow miserable people on earth.
 
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When a Jew decides to eschew their religion, they're throwing away the last remnants of a connection with God they have left (No matter how tenuous, strained, and heretical the Talmud is). Instead of realizing Judaism was fulfilled by Christ, they double down on their ignorance of God and outright deny Him. When this happens it is inevitable they become nihilistic, self loathing, and degenerate.

The Jews did not create Atheism (That was more of a ProtCuck invention) but they sure showed how disgusting and anti-human atheism can be.
 
This took me aback, but only for a second, as it fits my sense that all Jews are really atheists. Jewishness is much more about culture and tradition and ritual than it is about God. This may be true for other minorities, but not for the majority religion, for one simple reason: Christians — at least Church of England ones — have never been persecuted.
Lol wut. The first Christians were nearly wiped out, Muslims fuck with all of us including the Church of England, Mormons had their prophet shot, the first American settlers were persecuted so hard they went to the new world, pretty sure Martin Luther creating Protestanism started a war, etc, etc...
 
Oh no don't think HaShem is stupid. HaShem is all knowing, you cannot trick HaShem. I don't have to censor the name "HaShem" because it means "The name."

Orthodox Jews are really under the same mindfuck Mormons do, you gotta love the shit out of God because this life is worth it. Even when you're on your deathbed be happy that you can be a servant.
Oh, practicing Jewish people still try it with all the Rules Lawyering. Ever heard of a 'Shabbos Goy'?
 
This took me aback, but only for a second, as it fits my sense that all Jews are really atheists.
And the average moron wonders why the big nosed are universally loathed. "I believe in God without believing in God, so let me dictate what you can and cannot do" - that's all fine and good, now please enter the totally a shower chamber for cleansing.

These leeches deserve nothing but denigration.
 
Oh no don't think HaShem is stupid. HaShem is all knowing, you cannot trick HaShem. I don't have to censor the name "HaShem" because it means "The name."

Orthodox Jews are really under the same mindfuck Mormons do, you gotta love the shit out of God because this life is worth it. Even when you're on your deathbed be happy that you can be a servant.

And I'm starting to think even if it is all for nothing that's still a better way to live life than what Atheists do. Because Atheists just come off as the most shallow miserable people on earth.
Hey I don't have to count the toilet paper the night before so I don't cut stuff on Sunday lol. But that's my general mindset as a Mormon, enjoying Easter rn. I'd rather believe in God and something more my whole life and be wrong, then fear the great void and try to clutch onto life like a lich George Soros style
 
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Hey I don't have to count the toilet paper the night before so I don't cut stuff on Sunday lol. But that's my general mindset as a Mormon, enjoying Easter rn. I'd rather believe in God and something more my whole life and be wrong, then fear the great void and try to clutch onto life like a lich George Soros style
You still gotta wear that special Mormon underwear right?

But my outstanding point is it's one helluva overcope when Fedoratippers go "You're all really athiests like me, I'm just brave enough to admit it." Like fuck you dude (the cultural jew militant athiest), setting up a Christmas Tree isn't fucking hard. Keeping strictly Kosher or Halal is hard. Going to a house of worship several times a month is hard. If you're a devout Mormon man not being able to drink beer like the rest of your collegues has to be hard unless everyone around you is a teetotaler.

And people do it and they'll be doing it long after us because clearly there's a net positive in having a faith. And that's not to condemn those who break the rules, only those who break the rules and go "Oh those religious nutjobs with their silly belief in skydaddy, I just like muh Easter Chocolate." Those people can fuck off.
 
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You still gotta wear that special Mormon underwear right?

But my outstanding point is it's one helluva overcope when Fedoratippers go "You're all really athiests like me, I'm just brave enough to admit it." Like fuck you dude (the cultural jew militant athiest), setting up a Christmas Tree isn't fucking hard. Keeping strictly Kosher or Halal is hard. Going to a house of worship several times a month is hard. If you're a devout Mormon man not being able to drink beer like the rest of your collegues has to be hard unless everyone around you is a teetotaler.

And people do it and they'll be doing it long after us because clearly there's a net positive in having a faith. And that's not to condemn those who break the rules, only those who break the rules and go "Oh those religious nutjobs with their silly belief in skydaddy, I just like muh Easter Chocolate." Those people can fuck off.
Dude the food restrictions weird the fuck out of people. Especially in my line of work, don't drink, smoke, no shady nightclubs, I'm a welder that's not one lol. Meanwhile if you're an atheist, or just don't care, that's easy. But still, I keep my faith because I love God more than I fear them. And they learn to accept it because I don't bring it up a lot because I try not to be a ass. And I accept that they do shit I personally dislike. I don't just throw them away, not like these militant atheist fucks, because I get to know and understand them.
 
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Secular Jews are basically the fedoralords among atheists. It's a wombo combo of the inherent desire to subvert and deboonk operating with a unified purpose.
I know. It was the stereotypical expectedness of it all which made me laugh.
 
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