Why is communism so appealing to so many people? - Despite, you know, its proven to be a failed system.

[The handsome tard]

There is no historical shortage of evidence that exposes communism as a failed system that gets countless innocents killed and oppressed.

Most communist leaders (right down to its creator) are proven to have been some of the most bigotted, misanthropical, fascist sociopaths that didnt hesitate to kill their own supporters when they dare to start asking questions like "When will we eat?"

We live in the age of easy access to actual information and yet we constantly find ourselves going back to communism, hell, we legit allow advocates for such destructive movement within our own political system. Answer me this, did we see capitalist politicians among the political ranks of Soviet Russia? Dont answer that because we all know that the moment you demonstrated sympathy to any other system, your ass was grass. So why we tolerate people that legit look at some of the worst chapters of mankind (and spoilers, it wasnt the nazis) and say "yes, I proudly support that".

The poor are usually the ones to suffer the most under socialism/communism fyi but you still see a disturbing number of them that believes that this time it will be different and they wont get the short end of the metal lead shooting stick.

Only the stupidly rich, stupidly poor and stupidly average see any sort of appeal to a system that has been known to fail with deadly consequences. Say whatever you want about capitalism, I will be the first one to list its imperfections (because I know the whole point is that you can criticize it at freaking all) but I legit prefer the worst of it than the best of communism because, guess what, the latter doesnt fucking exist at all outside of the heads of people who cant see beyond their own navels.

But what you take? What is your take on this "unique" phenomena? How did it get this bad and if there is a way it can be helped (probably not but its best to just sit around and wait)?

 

[PonderosaPete]

Huge hug box, so king retard can grift the shit out of the lesser retards.

 

[Dyn]

It's not that hard to figure out dude.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's not that hard to figure out dude.
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So instead of that money being in her hands, its in the hands of the federal government.

Thats...better?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

At least in regards to the common man, communism speaks to the concept of fairness, there is no bullshit classes of people, no unfair exploitation and no endless chase towards a slightly shinier toys.

Of course Communism fails when the question of how is put forward, but a good chunk of people would rather just "leave it to the experts".

 

[Crex Crex]

It's a combination of things:

-Ignorant, spoiled "caviar communists" with a hero complex adhere to these magical ideologies that will totally fix everything because they have never seen their consequences, know nothing of the world and are actually incredibly patronizing towards the classes they claim to support.
-Modern leftist politicians try to recycle marxism and mingle it with modern identity politics, in a desperate attempt to cover their utter lack of ability and ideas
-Economical elites -ironically- push communist propaganda as a front to make "owning nothing and being happy by 2030" campaigns palatable to the masses (they don't actually want communism, just a command economy designed to enrich themselves, which is what communism becomes anyway)
-Retard opinions being amplified on the post-2016 internet by lifeless morons who fill their empty lives by obsessing over dimwitted ideologies.

 

[Dyn]

So instead of that money being in her hands, its in the hands of the federal government.

Thats...better?

If your kneejerk reflex is to defend Kim Karshadian having $1.2 billion dollars, I don't think you're genuinely interested in understanding why communism appeals to people, which makes it pretty cringe to ask the question in the first place.

If you just want to have a redditstyle JO sesh about 'my politics smart other politics dumb' why not just be honest about it with yourself and everybody else?

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Because your average Liberal wastes their able-bodied years accomplishing nothing so when they grow old no one will be their to care for them.

They delude themselves into thinking the Government can take care of them not realizing that a society that works like that is unstainable.

 

[The handsome tard]

At least in regards to the common man, communism speaks to the concept of fairness, there is no bullshit classes of people, no unfair exploitation and no endless chase towards a slightly shinier toys.

Of course Communism fails when the question of how is put forward, but a good chunk of people would rather just "leave it to the experts".

Ah but the interesting question is "Who determinates what is 'fair' ?"

Because you see, what you are demanding is state demanded "fairness" and since fucking when the government was able to be entrusted with something that didnt end comically bad for all involved?

Capitalism at least leaves the control of what is fair towards you, the people, the consumer, because if you dont like it, you have the power to make it stop by simply voting it with your wallet and among other things (Im not talking about neo-capitalism shitshow we are living in tho).

These people see their enemies getting silenced as "fair", dont forget that pesky little detail.

If your kneejerk reflex is to defend Kim Karshadian having $1.2 billion dollars, I don't think you're genuinely interested in understanding why communism appeals to people, which makes it pretty cringe to ask the question in the first place.

If you just want to have a redditstyle JO sesh about 'my politics smart other politics dumb' why not just be honest about it with yourself and everybody else?

Okay, get off your soap box, strawman arguments and notice I didnt defend Kim having all that money. I simply said that the communism version would mean that all that money is with the government.

And of course the government would handle said billions pretty well, I mean, just look at....at.....hmm.....or at....hmm....huh...
Just look at the condition of the roads in this country and look at me with a straight face that this money is better with the government instead. I hate Kim but at least capitalism means everyone can get that rich, even if they do so through very stupid means because, sadly, she does have an audience that chooses to eat her presences up.

The keyword here is choice and trust. The stupidity is optional with capitalism but inevitable with the "other" option.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Ah but the interesting question is "Who determinates what is 'fair' ?"

Because you see, what you are demanding is state demanded "fairness" and since fucking when the government was able to be entrusted with something that didnt end comically bad for all involved?

Capitalism at least leaves the control of what is fair towards you, the people, the consumer, because if you dont like it, you have the power to make it stop by simply voting it with your wallet and among other things (Im not talking about neo-capitalism shitshow we are living in tho).

These people see their enemies getting silenced as "fair", dont forget that pesky little detail.

Like I said, the "How" is arbitrarily vague. 20th century Russian just wanted to at least have guard rails in his factory, 21st century zoomers think they'll be paid to draw porn for two hours each day.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

I'll argue Communism can work in one very specific set of circumstances - small communes, specifically the "if you don't work you don't eat" types. Low populations, a common goal, limited resources, shit like that.

Rather hilariously, this makes the fucking Amish the closest thing we have to an example of what a "successful Communist Society" would look like, and that's both being incredibly generous with the term, and completely mislabeling the Amish as Commies.

It's a system designed in a vacuum, that can theoretically work on the small scale, but if you try to use it as a basis of society it'll almost inevitably collapse under it's own weight, or be hijacked by the worst type of fascist.

 

[Dyn]

Okay, get off your soap box, strawman arguments and notice I didnt defend Kim having all that money. I simply said that the communism version would mean that all that money is with the government.

And of course the government would handle said billions pretty well, I mean, just look at....at.....hmm.....or at....hmm....huh...
Just look at the condition of the roads in this country and look at me with a straight face that this money is better with the government instead. I hate Kim but at least capitalism means everyone can get that rich, even if they do so through very stupid means because, sadly, she does have an audience that chooses to eat her presences up.

The keyword here is choice and trust. The stupidity is optional with capitalism but inevitable with the "other" option.

Nobody's soapboxing here but you. You asked why communism is appealing to people, with a few prefill suggestions like "hurr they retarded" and "hurr they evil". I told you why communism is appealing to people, @wtfNeedSignUp also told you why communism is appealing to people, and your immediate response is to start arguing with our answers. We're clearly not even advocating for communism, we're just stating pretty obvious and uncontroversial facts, and you're still trying to argue against getting a basic and simple answer to your question.

That makes me think you're asking a question you don't actually want an answer to, because what you really want is to have yet another circlejerk over how wrong communists are, and that's fine, but you should at least be honest about it.

 

[Dyn]

My previous reply apparently owned OP so hard that he deleted the entire thread so I told the jannies and had them undelete it because this is Kiwi Farms and on Kiwi Farms your shame follows you to the ends of the earth.

 

[Otterly]

There are three , very deeply wired human / animal instincts here. One is fairness, the other is trade and the third is power within the group.
fairness really is a subset of trade but bear with me.
Monkeys can see if they’re being cheated and they get really passed off about it. We all have (or those of us who are normal) a sense of fairness. It’s one of the earliest things little kids develop. That’s not fair!
Second is trade. Even animals trade. Monkeys, as mentioned above will chimp out of you cheat them and will punish troop members who cheat.
Communism tries sneakily to subvert our sense of fairness by trying to even out differences. So it has great appeal on that animal level. If you’re a have not and you see kim kardashians billions, there’s a sense of wtf. Inequality (the real stuff, billionaires living next to the starving, not muh BLM type) brings down empires.
On the flip side you’ve got trade. Communism doesn’t like the free market but trade is deeply wired into us. Some types of birds trade shiny rocks for sex. We’ve been swapping and trading goods since we were barely sentient and a lot of our behaviours have grown up around it (including fairness.) communism is therefore going against that very deep instinct.
There’s more to it, of course. Everyone thinks they’ll ride the revolution to glory and be the commandant when in reality anyone who facilitated a revolution a threat and ends up in a ditch.
But communism tries to short circuit the bit of the brain that says ‘that’s not fair!’ In anyone who can’t think past that, it’s an argument that works.
Third instinct: power. Anyone who is the commissar type loves the power. Just look at covid - people snitching on neighbours. Look at wokism - people snitching on colleagues for minor transgressions. Big dopamine hit for doing in the name of righteousness.
Commies appeal to the animal instinct.
Communism works in one situation only, and that’s small groups. At the family level for example, it works great. Probably works well for small tribal bands as wrllX

 

[gang weeder]

There are always large swathes of parasites eager to steal from those who are more productive (or simply more fortunate, whichever). This is a basic fact of the human condition and communism appeals to it. If someone is poor and/or low status and resentful over it, all of the logical arguments in the world don't really matter very much to them. They just want their personal failures remedied by any means available including violence. If the entire society goes to shit but they end up better off personally, or at least the people they are resentful of also suffer, that is good enough.

 

[Gog & Magog]

@Dyn where's your $1.2 billion you lazy oil huffin abbo? You're just jealous a dumb, spoiled whore make so much money just for bein pretty while wallabies shagged ya mum and kangaroos killed ya father. Cheeky cunt. Oi, where my oil at? I 'avent had a good right huff all day!
(btw thank u Dyn for saving the thread from oblivion. )

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

My previous reply apparently owned OP so hard that he deleted the entire thread so I told the jannies and had them undelete it because this is Kiwi Farms and on Kiwi Farms your shame follows you to the ends of the earth.

Since this thread is back, can you go into more detail about the appeal of communism then? Doesn't Kim own make-up and beauty lines? Is the argument that such a vapid whore shouldn't have that much wealth or that no-one should have that much wealth? I type in "Elon Musk net worth" to google and it gives me a value almost 200 times larger.

Also, while I have you, what are some good modern attempts at communism, in your opinion? Has China struck a good balance with their system of "you get what you pay for" - where they sucker in capitalists trying to engage in wage slavery with rock-bottom prices and extremely thin margins, only to turn around deliver shit that is more trouble than it's worth to litigate?

It does seem like quite the interesting system to exploit predatory capitalists.

 

[SiccDicc]

It's a shame they don't realize that people like Kim will still be around in communism and just a part of the higher echelon of the party with no chance of them ever achieving that height like they would under capitalism. That said I think Kim benefits more from corporatism or crony capitalism than capitalism outright given all the connections she's had growing up, but it'd be the same process under communism as the behaviors are very similar ironically enough. Well, at least from where I'm standing.

Anyways, my answer is: Free shit. Been around the block enough times to see it that people who typically don't work or understand what work entails typically fall into the meme of free shit. Once they actually get put to the grind they rebuff the idea of sharing what they earned. Unless it's some easy peasy job like marketing or some other dumb shit, individuals typically become increasingly selfish the more they have to work. Hell, even college kids can grasp the concept once you ask them if they're willing to share their grade with someone else who didn't study as hard as they did. Suddenly it's unfair.

I don't believe it goes any deeper than that because I don't think they ever put any more consideration than that. I doubt they've put much thought at all into anything about it. Oh sure, there's some true believer shit where the stuff like @Otterly pointed out comes in to play and there's the assholes taking advantage of an ignorant generation to keep the gap as large as possible like @Crex Crex pointed out. Most, though, I think are just dumb kids that either will grow up or never grow up depending on the profession chosen and environment therein.

 

[Strix454]

But what you take? What is your take on this "unique" phenomena? How did it get this bad and if there is a way it can be helped (probably not but its best to just sit around and wait)?

It all started with Karl Marx and the naive idea that a technocratic authoritarian form of government could deliver utopia. And that people who worked doing manual labor in factories were the best people who ever lived.

No matter how many times the system is shown not to work and that it will ultimately deliver worse social outcomes than doing nothing, there is a set of people who will believe that it just needs one more chance. That with different people implementing it, that it can really work this time.

The core appeal of it never seems to change. Its that organization, planning and "science" applied to government and the economy in an un-democratic way can fix every problem. As well the idea that by reducing the living standard of others, people are somehow gaining something. Generation after generation falls for the same bad propaganda and the same bad ideas.

But that said, I don't know that idea of communism is popular now so much as what is actually popular is the idea of people being paid not to work and work becoming a choice rather than a requirement. Old-school communism is mostly dead outside of the western academic world.

 

[Dupree Home Edition]

It's a combination of things:

-Ignorant, spoiled "caviar communists" with a hero complex adhere to these magical ideologies that will totally fix everything because they have never seen their consequences, know nothing of the world and are actually incredibly patronizing towards the classes they claim to support.
-Modern leftist politicians try to recycle marxism and mingle it with modern identity politics, in a desperate attempt to cover their utter lack of ability and ideas
-Economical elites -ironically- push communist propaganda as a front to make "owning nothing and being happy by 2030" campaigns palatable to the masses (they don't actually want communism, just a command economy designed to enrich themselves, which is what communism becomes anyway)
-Retard opinions being amplified on the post-2016 internet by lifeless morons who fill their empty lives by obsessing over dimwitted ideologies.

and lastly -Resentful low status men who envy and hate anyone with more than them, incapable of acknowledging their own shortcomings