Why is Dooming so Popular on Kiwifarms? - The meta discussion

[Johnny Eastwood cash]

Dooming is just low-effort faggotry, OP.

Yup and it's also for sweaty 4chan users

 

[AMHOLIO]

It's partially a brain thing.

There's unpopular opinions being expressed on the farms: where else can NiggerFaggo69 express how he feels about black people ruining society, or FuckTroons saying hoe she thinks trans people are symbolic of society's decadence before/during a fall? Social media? Even in corners that aren't super progressive, there's aversion to overt dooming since social media is filled with normaler people who aren't venting their problems or are projecting a more positive life. Whatever the case is, Kiwi Farms is a safe haven for odd thoughts. That's good: everyone deserves to have a place to voice things that they can't always voice around others. Good discussions can be had, breaking down of concepts and analyzing things as well as providing hopefully some constructive solutions or perspectives to it.

....but also this sadly means a bunch of users can create a doom thread and circle jerk off around each other. This is a bad situation for any sort of discussion board, at the very least stop making yourself MORE depressed because you still gotta live and experience good things, or at least tell people you dislike to fuck off and be at peace with yourself.

It's also less painful to be wrong about being cynical than it is optimistic. This is a site that does bully people for being wrong sometimes, but goddamn being wrong isn't a bad thing. You can still make positive choices or replan if something goes wrong. You can also stop cringing that you're wrong: don't be afraid to fuck up on a forum full of tards who talk about overly online people posting about their bowel movements and speculating on it. Being cynical can make your brain reward yourself for always being a lil bitch and not expecting good, but it can also harm you in the long run for not letting yourself take risk and fearing failure.

I'm an armchair psychologist and relatively positive on the farms, so I'm coming from that perspective. Legit, I think being honest about your opinions on this forum even in threads that are full of doomers will have people agreeing with you who are lurking as long as you give your reasoning. It might even have others chime in to agree, and yes, it might have someone try and shame you for not being as negative as they are - and when you write it out like that, it's as embarrassing for THEM to do it as it sounds so don't be afraid to just disregard that. I also believe positivity promotes productivity and people making more shitpost and funnier shitpost when they feel better. I rather be around a forum that has a balance of the two, so I try to be the change I wanna see and be that. So maybe I ain't the right perspective for all that but that's where I come from.

Also interesting article on depression I found snooping around.

 

[doodoocaca]

It's partially a brain thing.

There's unpopular opinions being expressed on the farms: where else can NiggerFaggo69 express how he feels about black people ruining society, or FuckTroons saying hoe she thinks trans people are symbolic of society's decadence before/during a fall? Social media? Even in corners that aren't super progressive, there's aversion to overt dooming since social media is filled with normaler people who aren't venting their problems or are projecting a more positive life. Whatever the case is, Kiwi Farms is a safe haven for odd thoughts. That's good: everyone deserves to have a place to voice things that they can't always voice around others. Good discussions can be had, breaking down of concepts and analyzing things as well as providing hopefully some constructive solutions or perspectives to it.

....but also this sadly means a bunch of users can create a doom thread and circle jerk off around each other. This is a bad situation for any sort of discussion board, at the very least stop making yourself MORE depressed because you still gotta live and experience good things, or at least tell people you dislike to fuck off and be at peace with yourself.

It's also less painful to be wrong about being cynical than it is optimistic. This is a site that does bully people for being wrong sometimes, but goddamn being wrong isn't a bad thing. You can still make positive choices or replan if something goes wrong. You can also stop cringing that you're wrong: don't be afraid to fuck up on a forum full of tards who talk about overly online people posting about their bowel movements and speculating on it. Being cynical can make your brain reward yourself for always being a lil bitch and not expecting good, but it can also harm you in the long run for not letting yourself take risk and fearing failure.

I'm an armchair psychologist and relatively positive on the farms, so I'm coming from that perspective. Legit, I think being honest about your opinions on this forum even in threads that are full of doomers will have people agreeing with you who are lurking as long as you give your reasoning. It might even have others chime in to agree, and yes, it might have someone try and shame you for not being as negative as they are - and when you write it out like that, it's as embarrassing for THEM to do it as it sounds so don't be afraid to just disregard that. I also believe positivity promotes productivity and people making more shitpost and funnier shitpost when they feel better. I rather be around a forum that has a balance of the two, so I try to be the change I wanna see and be that. So maybe I ain't the right perspective for all that but that's where I come from.

Also interesting article on depression I found snooping around.

Brains are plastic and by changing what you do you change how you think which changes what you do and so on.

You're supposed to be brought up to not be a doomerfaggot, but we don't do that anymore, so it seems one has to figure it out themselves. We all know not a single one of these fucks hasn't been exposed to people trying to tell them what to do and how to do it, or even close friends spending lots of time on them before running out of patience. They're choosing to do this, but to be honest, they're choosing based on their fucked up assumptions, learned helplessness, and doomerfaggot mindset.

So fix your fucking mindset.

 

[The Great Chandler]

Me personally I'm a stoic so I believe no matter how bad things get I should still be happy with whatever lifes gives to me. It will be stupid of me to be a doomer but also believe in stoicism sure there is alot of bad things happening but do you think this is the first time that they have ever happen. If are ancestors were able to make it through the Black Plague then we should make it through whatever happening now

I'ma be real here. Out of all the philosophies, I find stoicism the most helpful. It isn't convoluted, it's pretty universally applicable regardless of religion and culture, and it's straight up honest. It's not a cure all woes, it's just treating your contentment and suffering as an economic and hardly as a duality.

 

[Johnny Eastwood cash]

So fix your fucking mindset.

I could be wrong about this but I think a good why to fix a doomers mindset is to have them completely disconnected from politics because all they do is read news articles about crooked politicians and watch political YouTubers who Renfrew their cynical beliefs. No one has ever told them that they are consooming too much politics

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Oh gee, I dunno OP. Why would I have any reason to be upset by the fact that literally all of my worst nightmares have either come true, or are soon to come true, and apparently it's STILL socially unacceptable to kill the people in power over it? Why would it suck so very much that I know going out and assassinating these cocksuckers will leave me with absolutely no backup, so the gesture is worthless, because I'll be smeared in the news with all of my associates, and that propaganda will keep anyone else from doing the same thing I did after they kill me? I won't know peace until these people are dead, and I haven't lost all hope that it'll happen, but I worry that it won't happen within my lifetime, which means that I can completely count on my life getting progressively worse until I die.

I literally could not imagine why people would feel hopeless about knowing technology has grown sufficiently advanced that even fucking off into the woods isn't an option anymore, because you can be silently assassinated by a drone pilot 2000 miles away using an Xbox 360 Controller! I mean, don't you like working the same days of the week at the same times every week for the entire useful portion of your lifespan, until you are nothing but a frail and sickly, useless, clump of meat in a wheelchair? I dunno about you, but that sounds like freedom to me, boy howdy! I love never having any free time! I love picking up other jobs, hoping they'll be better, or at least, different, and being disappointed every single time!

How could anyone be miserable over the existence of the surveillance state, and soon, if not here already, software that can parse all of that information and generate content and context that can influence you in ways you never would have even considered, and seamlessly integrated into your daily life, a la They Live? To be frank, I think it's lovely that there is no privacy, and to have even the tiniest scintilla of anxiety over that fact, makes you a schizo! Take your meds! Don't forget to take your meds that are definitely there to help you and are in no way a poison designed to zombify you into complacency!

The people who feel bad over the fact that the government needlessly stole two-to-three years of the collective world population's lives over bat soup, and now people are praying to their gods in government for more of this oppression, are simply lacking perspective. Yes, it's all about the good things in life, right? You can still eat a McRib. You can still poke your grandma on Facebook and hold a conference with your work buddies on the Metaverse, while having a sip of your morning corn syrup and microplastics, and you can still jerk off to porn. Quit being such a whiner! You can still go and see nature in these teeny-tiny patches of dirt that the government has cordoned off for you, so you can remember what things used to be like before we allowed hook-nosed corporatists to dig it all up for resources to satiate our ever-ballooning populations! Don't forget to get your recreational pass at the DMV!

Look, whiner-LARPing aside, every generation, every era, has its problems. The issue now is that our problems aren't fixable anymore. You can't turn the clock back and adjust the trajectory of the Cyberpunk 2013/Batman Beyond dystopia we're right on course for. The institutions are too powerful. The government is too powerful. The corporations are too powerful. Everyone is brainwashed, and the grand majority of people, whether by ignorance, or stupidity, want this future that we have been conditioned for, for our entire lives. Anyone who pokes their head above the surface to take a look and be disgusted by what surrounds them, is the mortal enemy of the entire world order. That's what makes this the undeniable, and immutable end of humanity, this time around. We were past the point of no return as far back as the late 1990s. You will be lucky to see one in twenty people who really want to see things fixed badly enough that they're willing to lose blood over it, and of that fraction, an even more miniscule fraction who actually would.

Repressed feelings can make a person into a miserable asshole pretty quick. This is a place where someone can say things they cannot say at work or to friends or whatever, so maybe they're dooming here so they can be awesome out in the wild.

This guy gets it. I try to put on my normie face for this world, but that shit decays the soul WAY worse than doomposting ever could. This is my pressure-release valve. I'm a pretty agreeable guy in person, but if you don't have an outlet to vent about all of the evils in this world, it will drive you absolutely buttfucking insane. I don't think it's really possible to internalize the sheer length, width, vascularity, and girth of it all, anymore. Things are just too bad to bottle it all up and smile for the retards.

Dumb question. You can't even avoid the propaganda shoved down our throats if you try anything short of going innawoods

Just wait until AI starts making the propaganda for you, based on all of the metadata it's harvested for two decades, and then seamlessly integrates it into reality, so you don't even notice most of the time. No more than five years, calling it now, and feel free to quote me later on that if the site survives that long.

So what do you offer instead that's better?

Y'know, like, not doing that?

 

[doodoocaca]

I could be wrong about this but I think a good why to fix a doomers mindset is to have them completely disconnected from politics because all they do is read news articles about crooked politicians and watch political YouTubers who Renfrew there cynical beliefs. No one has ever told them that they are consooming too much politics

If step 1 is give them role models and things to do, 0 (or -1) is precisely that, yeah.

 

[Wormy]

>>Y'know, like, not doing that?

Great, but what do we do INSTEAD?

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

>>Y'know, like, not doing that?

Great, but what do we do INSTEAD?

Literally nothing. Why is that so hard for you? The current year social justice movement was completely unnecessary, and we didn't have to tolerate it. The most amount of action I'd recommend is beating up libshits and spitting on their broken bodies, but even that isn't necessary, just cathartic.

Or are you referring to an actual solution to fix what ails the system? I have one, but you won't like it.

 

[Wormy]

Literally nothing.

Because it doesn't work. Problems don't go away on their own.

The most amount of action I'd recommend is beating up libshits and spitting on their broken bodies, but even that isn't necessary.

I'm considered one of those "libshits" and I've yet to see one of you keyboard warriors actually attempt it on me though. What's taking you so long?

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

I'm considered one of those "libshits" and I've yet to see one of you keyboard warriors actually attempt it on me though. What's taking you so long?

I probably don't live nearby. What the fuck are you doing here, anyway? Lefties are hypersensitive, humorless, faggots now. Didn't you get the memo? It's not 2004 anymore, and as far as I can tell, that's about the last time any of you had anything worth a shit to say.

But now, I'm curious. Are you into this new era of social justice? What do you think you're getting out of it, if so? If not, what solution do you propose to control your people's own insanity? Are they aware that they are being guided only on corporate and political meddling in culture?

 

[doodoocaca]

>>Y'know, like, not doing that?

Great, but what do we do INSTEAD?

Find something to do. Do the thing. Welcome to life! You exist, do something with your agency.

If you don't want a family, find a hobby. Hone your skills at something. Don't be an indolent bump on a log with the world at your fingertips and not at least try a few fucking things. Try the arts. Try MARTIAL arts, maybe that might help?

Be a premier shitposter.
Play guitar. That might get you accidentally laid!
Take up Kendo so you can hit Asian children in the head with a bamboo stick, stomp, and yell, and get away with it!
Box so you can kick ass and actually be in shape.
Find your own fucking thing I dunno fucking try shit and look shit up?

Anything you want to do will take time and effort and struggle to get good at. This applies to everyone. Everyone good at a thing fucked up doing the thing to practice thing-doing to get thing-doing-skills that makes it look easy over a long time. I've written on the internet long enough to have developed the skills to effortlessly shitpost, for instance. I recommend doing almost anything else, but you do you!

All I will say to not do is merely distract yourself. At all costs, struggle, be bored, and learn to embrace and find reward in the process. Don't fixate on the end result, focus on the moment, the journey. All of this is ancient wisdom, just rephrased and repackaged. We don't fucking educate our young people anymore, they're not pushed into careers or families, and increasingly find distractions do they don't find a passion and stick to it, so people get lost. It sucks.

If you spend your time split between distraction and DOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONeoneoe, you get good at being distracted and dooming out, because that's what you've practiced doing.. If you want to do something else, find something else and do it! Try shit until you find interests. Culture really should provide an onramp to adulthood for adolescents, and the lack thereof is one of the worst problems facing the anglobox right now. Fucking shit.

 

[Wormy]

Find something to do. Do the thing. Welcome to life! You exist, do something with your agency.

If you don't want a family, find a hobby. Hone your skills at something. Don't be an indolent bump on a log with the world at your fingertips and not at least try a few fucking things. Try the arts. Try MARTIAL arts, maybe that might help?

Be a premier shitposter.
Play guitar. That might get you accidentally laid!
Take up Kendo so you can hit Asian children in the head with a bamboo stick, stomp, and yell, and get away with it!
Box so you can kick ass and actually be in shape.
Find your own fucking thing I dunno fucking try shit and look shit up?

Anything you want to do will take time and effort and struggle to get good at. This applies to everyone. Everyone good at a thing fucked up doing the thing to practice thing-doing to get thing-doing-skills that makes it look easy over a long time. I've written on the internet long enough to have developed the skills to effortlessly shitpost, for instance. I recommend doing almost anything else, but you do you!

All I will say to not do is merely distract yourself. At all costs, struggle, be bored, and learn to embrace and find reward in the process. Don't fixate on the end result, focus on the moment, the journey. All of this is ancient wisdom, just rephrased and repackaged. We don't fucking educate our young people anymore, they're not pushed into careers or families, and increasingly find distractions do they don't find a passion and stick to it, so people get lost. It sucks.

If you spend your time split between distraction and DOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONeoneoe, you get good at being distracted and dooming out, because that's what you've practiced doing.. If you want to do something else, find something else and do it! Try shit until you find interests. Culture really should provide an onramp to adulthood for adolescents, and the lack thereof is one of the worst problems facing the anglobox right now. Fucking shit.

Now this is more like it.

 

[Wormy]

I probably don't live nearby. What the fuck are you doing here, anyway?

It's a form of self mutilation. I fundamentally hate myself but can't quite muster suicide.

Lefties are hypersensitive, humorless, faggots now. Didn't you get the memo? It's not 2004 anymore,

Yea, the times kinda left me behind.

But now, I'm curious. Are you into this new era of social justice?

No. It alternates between annoying and depressing, and it's always counterproductive.

If not, what solution do you propose to control your people's own insanity?

Basic vetting and housecleaning of who we let speak for us. That'd be mine. People just don't vett anymore.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

No. It alternates between annoying and depressing, and it's always counterproductive.
Yea, the times kinda left me behind.

You know what? I don't think I respect that, but I can tell you that I feel your pain. The times certainly left me behind, too. I used to fancy myself as one of those granola-munching, "what if we all got high and ate a big thing of ice cream" type liberals, but that was long before the overton window shifted me from moderate liberal, to jew-ovening nazi. I very rarely moved in my politics in any direction, but I know that I grew to hate my own, and now I'm literally an terrorist in the eyes of the elite, just for wanting to keep my rights, and until they fuck off, I don't want the left to have a single fucking W, even if it comes at my expense. It has yet to come at my expense, but will make that sacrifice. It's like chemo.

I'd almost be sorry for jumping the gun on my judgement of you, but this is words on the internet, so I can't. I'm sure you understand.

 

[doodoocaca]

You know what? I don't think I respect that, but I can tell you that I feel your pain. The times certainly left me behind, too. I used to fancy myself as one of those granola-munching, "what if we all got high and ate a big thing of ice cream" type liberals, but that was long before the overton window shifted me from moderate liberal, to jew-ovening nazi. I very rarely moved in my politics in any direction, but I know that I'm literally an terrorist in the eyes of the elite, just for wanting to keep my rights, and until they fuck off, I don't want the left to have a single fucking W, even if it comes at my expense. It has yet to come at my expense, but will make that sacrifice. It's like chemo.

I'd almost be sorry for jumping the gun on my judgement of you, but this is words on the internet, so I can't. I'm sure you understand.

If you were a fucking terrorist you'd be black bagged and not even given a safeword, bub. Consider a lot of grass touching, hobbies, and no more fucking dooming, be it from reddit or otherwise.

Jesus fucking christ fucking DO SOMETHING FUN. God. You could shitpost right now but instead you're dooming yourself ON KIWI FUCKING FARMS. Why would you doom here? If shit was hopeless, why isn't Null fucking dead or the farms replaced with something else or actually offline? Has Null's persistence not paid dividends and shown you that not giving up and having determination matters?

The elites have always been selfish. Individuals have always had agency in their lives. Do something with yours.

You write like an American zoomer who just hasn't had direction provided and now, facing literally any direction except doing nothing, can't pick among them. Fucking god just do something. Go walk a fucking mile. Just one. Takes 20 minutes at the most unless you're a deathfat. Half mile away, then the half mile back. There, you did it!

 

[mold]

KF is mostly soft suburban single mom spawn who have never experienced real adversity and are very fucked up by the possibility of fewer tendies

then you have cranky old gen Xers and boomer dudes who are like that because they're cranky old men

the small remaining leftovers of the site are TERFs and people from third world shitholes and we're pretty cheerful

 

[Happy Fish]

Just wait until AI starts making the propaganda for you, based on all of the metadata it's harvested for two decades, and then seamlessly integrates it into reality, so you don't even notice most of the time. No more than five years, calling it now, and feel free to quote me later on that if the site survives that long.

#wow #whoa

 

[supermonkeylove]

Sarcasm probably connected to nihilism.

 

[Ser Prize]

Find something to do. Do the thing. Welcome to life! You exist, do something with your agency.

If you don't want a family, find a hobby. Hone your skills at something. Don't be an indolent bump on a log with the world at your fingertips and not at least try a few fucking things. Try the arts. Try MARTIAL arts, maybe that might help?

Be a premier shitposter.
Play guitar. That might get you accidentally laid!
Take up Kendo so you can hit Asian children in the head with a bamboo stick, stomp, and yell, and get away with it!
Box so you can kick ass and actually be in shape.
Find your own fucking thing I dunno fucking try shit and look shit up?

Anything you want to do will take time and effort and struggle to get good at. This applies to everyone. Everyone good at a thing fucked up doing the thing to practice thing-doing to get thing-doing-skills that makes it look easy over a long time. I've written on the internet long enough to have developed the skills to effortlessly shitpost, for instance. I recommend doing almost anything else, but you do you!

All I will say to not do is merely distract yourself. At all costs, struggle, be bored, and learn to embrace and find reward in the process. Don't fixate on the end result, focus on the moment, the journey. All of this is ancient wisdom, just rephrased and repackaged. We don't fucking educate our young people anymore, they're not pushed into careers or families, and increasingly find distractions do they don't find a passion and stick to it, so people get lost. It sucks.

If you spend your time split between distraction and DOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONeoneoe, you get good at being distracted and dooming out, because that's what you've practiced doing.. If you want to do something else, find something else and do it! Try shit until you find interests. Culture really should provide an onramp to adulthood for adolescents, and the lack thereof is one of the worst problems facing the anglobox right now. Fucking shit.

What if I want a family, land and a future?

Those are currently either really, really hard or next to impossible. What's the solution to that? Not to think about it?