Why is it considered bad to teach schoolkids about LGBT issues but people have no problem with religious indoctrination?

[not william stenchever]

Bailiff, check his hard drives

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Fair enough. Considering its just as easy for me to pull out the likes of Joseph Smith and Sun Myung Moon as examples of Christian degeneracy against some random Jimmy Saville looking creeper, and we are ultimatley just seething that people wont do exactly what I want (e.g: How dare two women have a productive normal life without a man and how dare I not be allowed to shame people who's families arent identical to mine) there's really not much to say.

It's actually kind of amazing how oblivious Christfags are. Even the Islamists openly accept they're unreasonable cunts, you might get better results if you just own it.

 

[Absolutego]

Clearest sign this idiot didn't actually grow up in a Western country is that he apparently blinked and missed the entirety of the 1990's and 2000's.
Back to your shitheap of a country, poo.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Fair enough. Considering its just as easy for me to pull out examples like Joseph Smith and Sun Myung Moon as examples of Christian degeneracy against some random Jimmy Saville looking creeper, and we are ultimatley just seething that people wont do exactly what I want (e.g: How dare two women have a productive normal life without a man and how dare I not be allowed to shame people who's families arent identical to mine) there's really not much to say.

It's actually kind of amazing how oblivious Christfags are. Even the Islamists openly accept they're unreasonable cunts, and yet you can't understand why your religion is dying at rapid pace or why normies think you're contemptuous.

Shut the fuck up nigger. You literally want to teach kids perverted bullshit. Back in my day, you learned that from big breasted girls in magazines and fighting games (thank you Soul Calibur 2 and all those hot Latina chicks in those car magazines), which honestly wasn't even as extreme as the shit we have now in schools where they're straight up teaching kids about fake gender "identities", homosexual reprobate behavior and just morally degenerate behavior. Kill yourself, you degenerate pedo enabler. You are why the West is fucking failing right now: you have no moral backbone and think all things are equal and valid when there's an objective truth that disagrees with you.

FUCK OFF, CUNT.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

There are kids in school right now who do have two same sex parents

No there are not. There are children being exposed to evil perversions by one selfish, mentally ill parent.

How dare two women have a productive normal life without a man

"NoRmAl LiFe"

Karen writes suspiciously like PeggieBigCock.

 

[Easterling]

You're basically saying "religion is good except for the ones I don't like or don't support my reasoning". though. Islam and Hinduism are both terrible but have enormous numbers of followers and influence where they exist.

Putting religion in the hands of the state is a recipe for disaster in any case.

Religion and state should always be separate, I'm aware of my personal bias's but I believe the western approach is universally superior but I as you state, Islam and Hinduism have large followings exactly because the beliefs and passed on and they do contribute to a greater cohesion in those societies.

 

[The Ugly One]

Teachers are more likely to molest kids than priests are, btw

And homosexuals are more likely to molest kids than teachers.

 

[Otterly]

The only benefit I could see in teaching this stuff would be helping children identify rape/sexual assault. But there's still no real reason to teach them about sex.

All this is covered under the usual ‘these are your private parts, nobody should be touching them or asking you to touch theirs, or make you do anything that makes you uncomfortable and if anyone does then you can talk to the following people..’

There are kids in school right now who do have two same sex parents

So what really? It shouldn’t be an issue. It’s just something you don’t mention. Maybe some kids are orphans, maybe some live with grandma or single mums or in extended families. This stuff isn’t for school, it’s for parents to mention if they want to. School is for learning academics.
If some kid encounters Emma’s two mums they ask their parent what that’s all about and the parent answers in the way they see fit.
Yeah some people do that, but not most
Or
Allah forbids this
The response from a kid is usually ‘uh uh. What’s for dinner?’ There is no need to go into WHY Emma has two mums, or a discussion on lesbianism, or any lgbtqP grooming stuff.
This goes for all the big adult issues. Little kids don’t need to see drone strike aftermath bodies, a simple ‘there’s a war in between x and y - yes it’s very sad, we are lucky to live somewhere peaceful. Anyway, what do you want for dinner?’
We need to stop terrifying and confusing and grooming kids with these adult issues.

 

[Magicicada_septendecula]

Religion may have a few silly things you can pick out, but it is mostly the time-tested traditions and moral lessons of billions of people who came before you. LGBT stuff is trendy bullshit that (especially since the addition of the "T") is silly at best and dangerous and damaging at worse.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

So what really? It shouldn’t be an issue. It’s just something you don’t mention. Maybe some kids are orphans, maybe some live with grandma or single mums or in extended families. This stuff isn’t for school, it’s for parents to mention if they want to. School is for learning academics.
If some kid encounters Emma’s two mums they ask their parent what that’s all about and the parent answers in the way they see fit.
Yeah some people do that, but not most
Or
Allah forbids this
The response from a kid is usually ‘uh uh. What’s for dinner?’ There is no need to go into WHY Emma has two mums, or a discussion on lesbianism, or any lgbtqP grooming stuff.
This goes for all the big adult issues. Little kids don’t need to see drone strike aftermath bodies, a simple ‘there’s a war in between x and y - yes it’s very sad, we are lucky to live somewhere peaceful. Anyway, what do you want for dinner?’
We need to stop terrifying and confusing and grooming kids with these adult issues

Well. I'm not a teacher, but I am a parent of a few (married to a man, before the Conquistadors here start having a meltdown) but my thoughts are just addressing the issue.

Kids are...Assholes. When a topic comes up and they haven't asked directly about it, sometimes I will raise it at an age appropriate level. Two of mine got a bit upset about spiders earlier this week, so the next time one turned up I made a bigger deal than I normally might about it. "They're harmless, we don't have poisonous spiders here, here see? Be gentle, it's more scared of you than you are of it..." That sort of thing.

I've seen children being mocked by other children in the school playground for things that are visibly different, kids are cruel and I know some schools in a similar fashion do have books to respond to different events and happenings they might not want to see evolve into something unpleasant. There's one that comes to mind, the name escapes me right now about a very old Badger who wishes everyone goodbye and eventually stops coming to see people that's pulled out if someone dies, usually of old age. Two of mine have heard that story, and it was fairly discreet.

I think there is room for it in schools because you can answer it all at once. "Some people only have a Mummy, some people have two dads". I'm not saying kids listen to everything an adult says and takes it to heart, clearly not. But they do respond to the forbidden or the unusual, and it's quite easy to take the appeal or confusion out of something by treating it like nothing particuarly unusual. Uncommon? Perhaps, maybe not single parenthood in the UK because most children are illegitimate and have been for some time, but not something worth making much of a fuss over.

That's perhaps just my take. There are things I will go out of my way to try and expose my kids to; their family background, local traditions, different types of activity...And there are things I actively avoid or don't give permission for like Drag Queen Story Hours, trips to certain places of worship (I'm fine with my kids going to look at a religious buildings but some things like their school's trip to the Mosque involves things like role playing Islamic prayer, so that's a no).

I'm not for blanket open sex talk in schools by any means. But I don't want to pretend that certain things just don't exist either and not respond when it comes up. So personally? Like with that Badger book, I think there's plenty of room to manage curiosities when they appear, and it's probably best to rather than let kids go too far off the rails about what they actually are.

If my kids did cross paths with a Drag Show I'd still talk about it. How admittedly is something I'd have to give more thought to.

 

[FuluFuckwit]

Groomer coomer ideology is a plague, and should not be taught to anyone. Religious ideology can either be a boon or a plague, depending on what religion it is. Street shitter/Sand people religions should stay in their respective containment zones.

I also highly recommend that the user @Karen of Human Resources gets skinned alive like the nigger they are.

 

[Banquet Meal]

Ireland is still a hellhole Christian country

begone, heretical niggerfaggot

 

[Dan of Steel]

this thread sucks and every post is screaming buzzwords at each other and nigrating into an empty void so i'll make the only valuable contribution to this niggerhell doomed discussion:
















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[Otterly]

Some people only have a Mummy, some people have two dads".

My problem with that is the follow on questions.
But why?
My mummy says only a man and a woman can get married
My dad says that’s a sin
I don’t understand, why do women get married..? Etc
It opens a can of worms that you cannot answer easily. You can’t answer it in a way that will comply with a lot of parents views or not require you to have too much detail.
To me, the only appropriate answer to a direct question would be ‘families can look lots of different ways, we don’t bully or be cruel to anyone because of that do we? No. Right… (change subject.) and if they push, then it’s ’you Need to ask your parents about that.’
Any asshole behaviour, the behaviour itself gets tackled. Why were you bullying Emma? She’s got two mums! We dont do that, in this school we do not bully anyone …
Etc. there are ways to deal with asshole kids and with questions that do not require an in depth explanation of homosexuality

 

[Idiotron]

I thought we did this whole atheism shit in the 2000's and nobody just talks about it anymore because it's old news.
Is religious indoctrination in the West, aside from the woke religion, really a problem?

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Wow, a time traveller from 2005!

 

[WelperHelper99]

Well the answer is easy OP: Jesus doesn't rape kids.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

My problem with that is the follow on questions

Okay

My mummy says only a man and a woman can get married

Depends on the age and area I suppose

If I was an employee of a Faith school? I'd probably be obliged to agree.

Outside of that, and this is something Britain's Muslim population in particular struggle with; there are things that are legal that people don't like.

I know schools are cowardly in this respect, but this filly really does need to be broken in at some stage at an appropriate level.

"Yes, Your Mummy might believe that, but people here sometimes are"

Don't have to say Mummy is wrong, but don't deny objective reality either. I believe that currently is best practice when dealing with people having a mental health crisis, don't dismiss their statements but don't validate denials of reality either.

"I believe that you believe the monsters are in the room".

To me, the only appropriate answer to a direct question would be ‘families can look lots of different ways, we don’t bully or be cruel to anyone because of that do we? No. Right… (change subject.) and if they push, then it’s ’you Need to ask your parents about that.’
Any asshole behaviour, the behaviour itself gets tackled. Why were you bullying Emma? She’s got two mums! We dont do that, in this school we do not bully anyone …
Etc. there are ways to deal with asshole kids and with questions that do not require an in depth explanation of homosexuality

I think this is veering off topic a little bit, but I think we disagree more on managing dissent.

I am all for parents teaching children their own values, but where I am stepping aside is when these values move into denial of reality. And this is something schools do badly.

"Yes Sally, Your Daddy doesn't think Mummies and Daddies can split up". I'm not going to endorse that view, it's clearly bullshit, we have divorce in this country. Sally's Daddy is not obligated to get a divorce and can choose not to, but he doesn't get to play pretend that it isn't here and something others get to experience.

Ditto for Ahmed who says "Daddy has three wives", because Polygamy is not legal here.

One of the biggest problems in the west, and especially the UK is sectarianism. All the little sects need a stronger approach; they're free to follow their own rules, but they are not free to require anyone else to follow them or pretend they are binding.

That in particular, especially with Western pusssy footing around Islamic norms, is something that really needs to be addressed. And that does mean, from day one, not entertaining ideas that do not correspond with law.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

Because one teaches schoolkids to be morally robust, virtuous and ethical individuals and the other seeks to induct them into a demonic cult of sexual deviancy, mental illness and extreme bodily mutilation.

Even if you're not religious, children being exposed to morning prayer should be vastly preferable to being exposed to the idea that prostitution as an acceptable profession and that they might want to consider incorporating anal fisting into their recess playtime.

 

[Safir]

This is one difference from LGBT education. They aren't telling the students they are gay and to take part in sexual gay acts are they?? No, students are just learning about it.

They literally do, furfag.

• "What is your gender identity?
• "Where on the tranny spectrum are you (only supermodels and girls and only gymbros are boys, anyone in between is a tranny)?
• "What are your pronouns (cat/kitty etc are options, this means you're a tranny)?
• "Which of these fag flags do you like best (boring straights get no flag)?
• "Now pair up and practice 'coming out'. One of you 'comes out', the other 'accepts', then vice versa."