Why is it considered bad to teach schoolkids about LGBT issues but people have no problem with religious indoctrination?

[The Ugly One]

families can look lots of different ways, we don’t bully or be cruel to anyone because of that do we? No.

See, this is where we went wrong, we stopped bullying people for being deviants. Now we bully them for not celebrating deviancy.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

This humble indian man seems to have upset some people with his question.

Personally I'd rather schools not teach children anything except informational foundations that they'll need to interact with reality, analyze information, and communicate. Even history could be somewhat pared down (which is the only place discussion of gay shit or religion is really appropriate), since schools do a shitty job teaching it anyways.

Schools, including colleges, being given leeway to turn useless and/or ideologically charged material into part of the curriculum is surely what helped lead down this path to begin with.
If people years back had checked academia's shit and made it clear what their role is (teach demonstrably useful skills or don't get paid) the entire field probably wouldn't be so far off the handle right now.

The better option if schools have nothing practical to teach is just to have kids spend more time at home to learn cultural/religious issues.
That clearly doesn't work as well in the modern day because usually both parents usually work and there is no community to immerse one's self in, and therefore children at home would just sit in front of a screen absorbing media and internet culture anyways thus very likely exposing them to even more harmful influence, but in a perfect world that would be how it works.

 

[Vect]

So the point is why is being forced into being a Christian and having Christianity being shoved down your throat any better than learning about LGBT matters?

The point about religion is that regardless of it's factual merits, it's teaching children a basic and relatively universal moral framework that allows them to navigate basic early life. Praying and singing dirge is dull, but the idea is to reinforce a sense of consistency and discipline upon children who are this point are relatively impressionable. As you grow up in an atmosphere of accepted heterodoxy and learn things and explore yourself, people can grow out of it. Virtually every adult I knew growing up had a religious upbringing, and virtually none of them were religious. Part of growing up and healthy development is figuring out who you are and climbing out of that shell.

At it's most benign, the LGBTQ material I've seen is predicated on the opposite thinking, that restrictions and limits and to some the very concept of normality are repressive and damaging to children. But children need a baseline of normalcy, they need to pick up a sense of self-conviction and be comfortable conforming before any of this is even relevant. Then we have introducing concepts to children that they literally cannot understand. There's no point teaching them about sexuality, because they don't even know why Mummy and Daddy won't leave each other alone. The bizarre thing about the drag queen thing is it literally means nothing to children because not only does gender not mean anything at that point, but most can't even recognize cross-dressing. A straight white woman took adult-themed entertainment and tried to rebrand it as kid-friendly cultural enrichment because that's literally all we got. LGBTQ history won't mean anything because what child is interested in civics and ancient protests?

And that's the thing, for LGBTQ to mean anything, you need to have an adult's perspective. You need to have baseline of life experience, introspection, growing up, confusion, discomfort, failure, basic knowledge of how the world works, for any of this to be meaningful, for it to actually be a self-determined journey of personal discovery and insight, and to accept yourself and to 'come out' as who you actually are, for better or for worse, and not as what you 'want' to be.

That's the difference. Religious guff is something you can superseed and unlearn. It's an annoying fairy tale you grow out of. With this LGBTQ stuff, like with so much Progressive thinking, it's telling you to not think at all. To never second guess your identity or choices, that nothing about you is wrong or a mistake and also never set in stone. It's essentially, to embrace your inner child and never grow up.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Not a very religious person at all but i am glad i went to catholic school. If i had a kid i am making any sacrifice needed so they can go to a private catholic school as well. I rather they get a baseline of morals and values when they are young and need it the most, even if they decide they don't believe later that structure and positive aspect carry on.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

"Some people only have a Mummy, some people have two dads".

But that's not true, everyone has a mother. Unfortunately some people have a sexually deviant father who forces their children to take part in his delusion by forcing them to pretend his faggot slampig is their second father. All the better for them to be exposed to Christianity, so they can learn the truth and be comforted by their eternal Father, no matter how much of a disappointment their biological father may turn out to be.

 

[FuluFuckwit]

See, this is where we went wrong, we stopped bullying people for being deviants. Now we bully them for not celebrating deviancy.

Fagtards being celebrated instead of shit on is a big reason why many pedophile groups are being far more brazen and open with their tactics.
It's a boon since it'll let you more easily identify problem groups to keep your kids away from.
It's a bane since those groups often have a massive defense network of orbiters, yes-men, and are often protected by corporations and government officials, making it difficult for anyone (other than glowies) to adequately fight them.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

But that's not true, everyone has a mother. Unfortunately some people have a sexually deviant father who forces their children to take part in his delusion by forcing them to pretend his faggot slampig is their second father. All the better for them to be exposed to Christianity, so they can learn the truth and be comforted by their eternal Father, no matter how much of a disappointment their biological father may turn out to be.

Well, yes, everyone came from a mother, but blood relation alone does not make a family.

A deadbeat dad that pumped and dumped his way through life is less of a father than two homosexuals in a monogamous relationship taking care of a child.

Children need to be raised in safe, nurturing environments. A stable family, however that family looks like is indefinitely better than a household full of direct abuse and negligence that is composed of the preferred family according to the New Testament.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

Well, yes, everyone came from a mother, but blood relation alone does not make a family.

A deadbeat dad that pumped and dumped his way through life is less of a father than two homosexuals in a monogamous relationship taking care of a child.

Children need to be raised in safe, nurturing environments. A stable family, however that family looks like is indefinitely better than a household full of direct abuse and negligence that is composed of the preferred family according to the New Testament.

Sexual degenerates can't provide a safe, stable, nurturing environment.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Sexual degenerates can't provide a safe, stable, nurturing environment.

Total sidestep of the fact that adoption is a thing, widows, widowers....

Like I said above when dealing with people having a mental health incident. "Yes, you believe that gays are sexual degenerates. But Gays are allowed to be parents here, and some people have gay parents who either are their biological parent, or who adopted them"

Don't enable Fantasy. Always affirm the reality, even if it is uncomfortable.

I don't like the French, but I don't deny the French exist and do French things I would be ashamed if I knew anyone well who did them.

 

[Dysnomia]

I went to a parish school so we had mandatory morning religious class and Thursday morning services I tended to fall asleep in. And don't even get me started on Stations of the Cross.

But I think most public schools in the US don't have prayer. Maybe in the Bible belt? I think that was a controversy at one point. Kids should be free to pray on their own time if they want to without being ostracized. But it doesn't belong as part of public school curriculum.

As for LGBTQ, people here are mainly concerned with troon indoctrination. It's rather odd how many young people are suddenly trans or some form of genderblob. Social contagions don't need to be spread.

 

[Necrosan]

I don't get what fucking indoctrination they are talking about, the worst that ever happened to someone who went to a catholic school is being forced to spend an hour and a half on a mass every week.

Nobody in the earlier generations was "indoctrinated" into anything. You just learned the basics of catholicism and that was it. You got home and forgot about it like you did with every other thing you learned in school after finishing your homework.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

Total sidestep of the fact that adoption is a thing, widows, widowers....

Like I said above when dealing with people having a mental health incident. "Yes, you believe that gays are sexual degenerates. But Gays are allowed to be parents here, and some people have gay parents who either are their biological parent, or who adopted them"

Don't enable Fantasy. Always affirm the reality, even if it is uncomfortable.

I don't like the French, but I don't deny the French exist and do French things I would be ashamed if I knew anyone well who did them.

I don't deny the fact that people who get sexually aroused by consuming fecal matter exist, that doesn't mean children should be exposed to the reality of these people existing. There's absolutely no reason to bring unnecessary filth into the minds of children.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Are you angry because the Catholic church opens and maintains its own schools while LG TV Q people have to infiltrate academia the communist way?

 

[Soycast Guy]

Why do we not teach kids about sex until they hit puberty?

Think about that question and you’ll arrive at your answer.

I'd rather have theory based on science- evolution and shit. British primary schools can fuck off with their "God made Earth and people" crap

Let me ask this. Is there any actual societal impact if creationism or evolution theory are taught? Fuck no. It changes nothing. It’s just two parties arguing over which of their creation theories should be taught in schools. You are no different.

This is one difference from LGBT education. They aren't telling the students they are gay and to take part in sexual gay acts are they?? No, students are just learning about it.

Kids do not work like adults you fucking retard. When they learn about something, they replicate it. And besides, give me an actual, real, valid reason why it needs to be taught. Don’t give me that bullshit about “treating everyone the same” because that can be said in a general sense without telling toddlers why Steve likes to get a dicking in the ass from his boyfriend. And don’t try to say it’s so they can “figure out if they’re gay” because I’m pretty sure a straight dude doesn’t need to figure out he likes tits.

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Are you angry because the Catholic church opens and maintains its own schools while LG TV Q people have to infiltrate academia the communist way?

Me? Personally no.

Parents are free to share their values with their kids, and if enough of them get together that can support a school just for them then fine. Knock yourself out. Of course, there are some issues when said schools teach things that are not in line with the law of the land; such as "You cannot get an abortion". This should be "We never get abortions because we believe its a sin" when abortion is legal, because we are getting into that area of denying reality again.

Where I do complain is that I don't think faith schools should be funded by the state. In the US I don't believe they are, but in the UK they are entirely or partially funded by the taxpayer.

Any child may apply to and attend their local non-religious school, as a school is not entitled to turn them away based on belief. But a faith school may discriminate.

One of the reasons Catholic Schools in the UK are so run down and poorly resourced compared to their Church if England and Secular counterparts is that The Catholic Church in the UK has been having a fifty year long tantrum refusing to invest in their schools until they can have sole say on who attends. As it currently stands, anyone who takes UK Government money must allocate a portion of their places to anyone from the local area. No school is required to take government money, but the Catholic Church still chooses to.

This satisfies nobody. The Catholic Church should be entitled to have a school attended only be Catholics, at the expense also only of Catholics.

While they take government money, they should damn well meet the requirements of the contract with the government.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

I don't get what fucking indoctrination they are talking about, the worst that ever happened to someone who went to a catholic school is being forced to spend an hour and a half on a mass every week.

Some people had worse experiences in life than you did. I've known of a catholic priest who would extort parents for money to allow their child to partake in First Communion. He would hype the whole thing up when teaching at the local school and then use the children's disappointment as an emotional cudgel against the parents. Mind you, this doesn't make me hate the entirety of Catholicism and demand its suppression.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

I don't deny the fact that people who get sexually aroused by consuming fecal matter exist, that doesn't mean children should be exposed to the reality of these people existing. There's absolutely no reason to bring unnecessary filth into the minds of children.

Then a proper parent does not talk about their sexual escapades in front of their children.

Doesn’t matter if the man is eating the ass of a woman or a man, keep it private. A child doesn’t know if you don’t tell them.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

Then a proper parent does not talk about their sexual escapades in front of their children.

Doesn’t matter if the man is eating the ass of a woman or a man, keep it private. A child doesn’t know if you don’t tell them.

Right, so why would you want to introduce the concept of faggotry into the minds of children? Not just introduce it but normalize it.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

All that shit.

Catholics having a hard time in Brittainistan? Color me negro.
Judging from the current state of the UK, I'm willing to bet the Catholics there are in the right.
If the dumbass state is giving away free money, it's the state's problem, not the ones taking it.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Total sidestep of the fact that adoption is a thing, widows, widowers....

Like I said above when dealing with people having a mental health incident. "Yes, you believe that gays are sexual degenerates. But Gays are allowed to be parents here, and some people have gay parents who either are their biological parent, or who adopted them"

Don't enable Fantasy. Always affirm the reality, even if it is uncomfortable.

I don't like the French, but I don't deny the French exist and do French things I would be ashamed if I knew anyone well who did them.

But it is a fantasy to believe that two men and two women could create children let alone raise them properly a man and a woman were meant to from time immemorial. The modern idea we can circumvent nature and impose our own retarded rules we think work but actually don't because human nature is not a blank slate (ala John Locke) is the most insidious ideas ever.


A man can't do a woman's job and neither a woman a man's. A woman is meant to be the mother and wife of a man a husband and father. These roles are counterparts to each other in that they are SIMILAR but NOT THE SAME. Both roles ostensibly involve raising a child and the communal bond of life-giving sexual friendship that is marriage. A man can't give birth and feel the same connection a woman does to her child through labor pains just as a woman is physically unable to do the work a man can to feed the family. And that's natural and good.

Stop trying to make the unnatural natural by making fake whataboutisms. Denying a child a father's stern and a mother's tender love via sodomy is bot natural or good and probably involves a lot of child trafficing via the business of surrogate motherhood and outright pedophilia.


You can really sense the modern hatred of both men women and humanity in general by how reductive we are about gender roles. Like, we think we're all the same and we all can be replaced with nothing changed. Not only is that not even a biologically a nonsense point of view, but it also betrays a neo-religious, consumerist need for everyone to be the same and no one to be different even though it's through our differences that our similarities shine even brighter and we both communalize and individuate even more. God, I fucking hate this insufferable mindset. It's so stupid and isn't even supported by our knowledge of human history, anthropology or basic knowledge of human biology.

It's literally just a retarded postmodern belief of our new retarded, fake and gay secular religion of ontological liberalism (which has failed many times over demonstrably).