I'll see you weep before the Pope's feet with pained tears in your eyes.
Why is Protestantism still accepted as Christian?
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Why are people who worship corpses ("saints") considered Christian?
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what do you call the guy who gave you your y chromosone?
how do you deny life after death as a christian?
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I don't think that anything that OP said about Mike Fuckabee is necessarily wrong, but aren't there hundreds of different branches of Protestantism? All you've proven is that his branch has some issues. The entirety of Protestantism isn't perfect, but the concept still makes more sense to me than taking orders from a leftist in the Vatican or an oligarch in Moscow.
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My lowercase "f" father
It was more of a baity joke anyhow, but leave it to a papist to get tedious about it. You know perfectly well what I meant.
Christ never referred to St. Peter as "Papa", to put it that way.
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I didn't know if you were joming because its a very popular argument amongst bapist and reformed crowds.My lowercase "f" father
It was more of a baity joke anyhow, but leave it to a papist to get tedious about it. You know perfectly well what I meant.
Christ never referred to St. Peter as "Papa", to put it that way.
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Gee, I wonder why non-Catholic Christianity is still accepted when the average "traditional Catholic" is some barely-functioning hypocrite that likes to posture about how faithful he is and shitting on every non-Catholic for a few soft denominations while ignoring that many of the most liberal politicians in power claim to be "devout Catholics." I doubt that Protestantism could have a historical origin based on extreme corruption in the Catholic Church, with Popes that were blatantly installed by their noble families to gain the power of the Vatican! No, clearly every non-Catholic is a stupid heretic because some modern non-denominational churches are glorified self-help organizations, and please ignore the "Catholic" death cults bolstering the cartels in Latin America!
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Polemics off; the only thing good about any of the large denominations(prots, caths, and orthodontists) is that they foster community in places that otherwise would lack it. Theologically they're all wrong, and if you spend any time exploring the wider spaces of christian thought you'll realize fairly quickly these institutions have no interest in the truth, only expanding their reach and power base(looking at you specifically catholics).
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I wouldn't really put any stock in what "traditional Catholics" say. It doesn't exactly help evangelism when you tell people they're heretics that should burn at the stake. It's sort of like how they'll go down scrupulous rabbit holes on sins and whether or not someone incurs automatic excommunication for some violation of canon law or other.
Not a life very conducive to love of God or neighbor.
There are some major differences between material and formal heresy. Most Protestants have been formed in their own beliefs for so long I don't think you can argue they're knowingly holding heretical positions in opposition to the Church. Some extreme anti-Catholics and former Catholics fit that description but they're rare and their much bigger sin is spreading lies about the Church and causing people to doubt their faith (not just Catholicism but Christianity in general).
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Intenret Catholics/Orthos are new-converts whose zeal and class is on the level of newly converted vegans and animal rights activists. They are obnoxious faggots who do a better job pointing out everything wrong with their own church hierarchies than any protestant could.
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It's a secret Vatican conspiracy to make @thegooddoctor seethe until Judgement Day
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I am an adult convert, who was raised totally and actively atheist. As in, I didn't know "Jesus" and "Christ" referred to the same person until my early teens. I don't regret my upbringing because I think it has allowed me to distinguish between Christianity and just church politics.
I went on a walk to clear my mind, and thought I would go stop into a random church I was nearby, since it was close to time for service.
I walked by and saw through the giant windows, a painting of Jesus. Then a painting of Mary.
Then, TEN TIMES the size, a GIANT, WALL-SIZED gold-framed portrait of the Pope.
I kept walking.
The idea that Catholicism is some sort of "truer" "less tainted" genetic line, I mean, it just doesn't compete. You got at least one other group saying that in the Orthodox. It's all a culture war to me. And politics.
I've never met people who say they're Ex-Anglicans or Ex-Baptists the way I meet people who are Ex-Catholics. And they say that because the culture is so strong. Even people who aren't religious will still say they're culturally catholic! You can't convince me that the political, cultural aspect doesn't cloud people from it being their religion.
And if you want to play the semantic games, at least where I'm from, people ask if you're "Christian or Catholic." Christian means Protestant, and Catholic means.... Catholic.
I went on a walk to clear my mind, and thought I would go stop into a random church I was nearby, since it was close to time for service.
I walked by and saw through the giant windows, a painting of Jesus. Then a painting of Mary.
Then, TEN TIMES the size, a GIANT, WALL-SIZED gold-framed portrait of the Pope.
I kept walking.
The idea that Catholicism is some sort of "truer" "less tainted" genetic line, I mean, it just doesn't compete. You got at least one other group saying that in the Orthodox. It's all a culture war to me. And politics.
I've never met people who say they're Ex-Anglicans or Ex-Baptists the way I meet people who are Ex-Catholics. And they say that because the culture is so strong. Even people who aren't religious will still say they're culturally catholic! You can't convince me that the political, cultural aspect doesn't cloud people from it being their religion.
And if you want to play the semantic games, at least where I'm from, people ask if you're "Christian or Catholic." Christian means Protestant, and Catholic means.... Catholic.
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I fully agree about Catholicism, and I think what you saw is a good example of the problems with Catholicism, but I would argue that Protestantism is a further step down the path of deification of man, and minimization of the lord Christ, which distances ourselves from God. To your point about Catholicism, the Catholic faith considers those who inherit the role of pope as being the direct spiritual descendants of Jesus Christ. This was not the intention of the lord Jesus Christ nor the original Apostles. No one can inherit the role of Jesus Christ because he is the son of God and infallible. That infallibility is something the Catholic church actually contradicts itself on. Not only does it question the position of prior popes, but, pope francis, who is most likely a jew, has been called into question for altering the Bible with regards to the Lord's prayer, and has made snide remarks about non Biblical records of mother Mary having troubles with a young Christ. Ignoring the blasphemy of these two things, despite one of which being a capital offense according to the bible, they both obviously are paradoxical with the Catholic church's belief that the pope is infallible.
All that being said about Catholicism, here's why I called out Protestantism and would honestly consider it worse. Keep in mind, I think it would be justifiable to burn the current pope as a heretic, so I am trying to tone this down as much as I can.
From least to worst
- 1: On the least egregious type, I'd call boomer types, I've seen where most protestant churches just quote a single verse from the bible and then the prelate in charge adds “his” (this is becoming more optimistic all the time) own "two cents" to it which normally encompasses over 90% of the sermon. This is not always a bad thing mind you, sometimes the prelates speak and their sermon does actually conform with the rest of the chapter in the bible, but from what I’ve mostly seen in the US, this is rarely the case. More often than not, the verse they're quoting is just something they can take out of context to support their own agenda.
- 2: On the middling types, Copeland types, which is a group this site should be familiar with, are the grifters Some are overt and constantly asking for money for miracles, and some are just the obese televangelist "faith healers" you see on TV all the time. They're always asking for something. There's not much to be said on these types, and far more to be said on their fellow protestants who never call them out. The book of Matthew calls such false prophets out numerous times, but that is apparently not something that goes with most protestant prelate's agenda's so they can't be bothered.
The second type is tragic. Their prelates just want to make money. Most of them are honestly broken people who were introduced to Christ, but never believed in him themselves. Their followers want to believe in Christ because of his miracles, but don't understand that Christ only preformed those miracles to prove that he was the messiah.
- 3: The worst type are the subverters/controllers. Anglican types. These people do not even have a shred of faith nor do they care that Christ died for their sins. Even if they believed, they would view Christ as a "sucker" who suffered so they could get by with more sin. At an absolute best, faith to them is just a tool to codify whatever they want. The problem I mainly have with Protestantism is that this is not a small minority. I would actually argue that of the groups I've mentioned, this one is in the majority by a fair margin. It's hard to even know where to start with this. In the beginning, no pun intended, you had really two founders of Protestantism. Martin Luther who in all honesty accomplished absolutely nothing worthwhile, though seemed honest in his beliefs, and "king" henry the 8th who used Protestantism to his own (literally murderous) ends and was the one who popularized it. Very shortly after this, you started seeing more and more state churches pop up from this in the western world and all of these churches just basically were mouth pieces for their rulers. Not long after the dust settled for American and French revolutions, you saw a collection of churches all over the western world which now backed various factions of the liberal elites.
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Well, unlike the Catholic Church, which from what I understand is pretty much supposed to have the same thing going on everywhere, there are plenty of independant churches. Go and talk to the pastor directly and find out if he's a subverted guy or not.
....You think there aren't popular catholic faith healers? There's literally a store in my town that sells nothing but Catholic doohickeys. There were entire walls of "buy this magic charm to keep in your pocket." Haven't you seen people chase the Popemobile down the road, baby in hand, begging for the merest touch or attention?
I really have a bone to pick with- not boomer church, but zoomer church. I've been to so many churches trying to be "hip" which seems to immediately turn to being worldly. Those are the churches that, in my experience, don't even say GOD or CHRIST in their songs and sermons for fear of sounding "too preachy."
I was at a college bible retreat, and they were playing these awful songs, and I had this realization: you could hardly tell they weren't cheesy pop love songs! Just crooning.... "Youuuu are my love.... Youuuu are my life..... Youuuuu lift me up....." I hate Hillsong and the associated genre.
But the solution wasn't to run to a Catholic church and be preached to in Latin.
I go to a few churches, but mostly an independant baptist church, and another independant church that ministers to the homeless. As in, everyone thought I was homeless just because I was there lol.
Once they had a bad guest preacher I didn't like how he sold his book at the pulpit. So I got up and left. I was not alone and the pastor said the man would not be preaching again unless he expressed he learned his lesson.
There's independant churches all over the spectrum from culty bible-bashing white supremists, to SJWs hanging rainbow flags and performing gay marriages. So the independant Baptist church in your town might suck. But mine I like a lot. They sing the type of gospel I like and the pastor preaches right out of a Bible.
Something I learned as a convert, which might piss people off, is how many people are just "culturally Christian." I had a good year of going nuts whenever I learned my classmate, coworker, aquiantance, was Christian. I quickly learned that a LOT of people are raised in Sunday school and to say they're Christian, but all they really believe is "Uhhhhhh..... God is.... probably real?" They go days to weeks to even months without thinking about their own religion, they really do.
The "quote a random verse to prove my point" type of person is one step above this, if you ask me. Many religious people aren't THAT religious and will tell you as much. Their religion stops at the point where it would make them uncool culturally. At least in my experience in a liberal area.
"Whoah whoa whoa... I'm, like, kinda christian, but not like... untolerant or anything!" And they get really scared if you say grace.
I recommend the YouTube channel Ready To Harvest. He does a lot of videos on denominations and things like that.
....You think there aren't popular catholic faith healers? There's literally a store in my town that sells nothing but Catholic doohickeys. There were entire walls of "buy this magic charm to keep in your pocket." Haven't you seen people chase the Popemobile down the road, baby in hand, begging for the merest touch or attention?
I really have a bone to pick with- not boomer church, but zoomer church. I've been to so many churches trying to be "hip" which seems to immediately turn to being worldly. Those are the churches that, in my experience, don't even say GOD or CHRIST in their songs and sermons for fear of sounding "too preachy."
I was at a college bible retreat, and they were playing these awful songs, and I had this realization: you could hardly tell they weren't cheesy pop love songs! Just crooning.... "Youuuu are my love.... Youuuu are my life..... Youuuuu lift me up....." I hate Hillsong and the associated genre.
But the solution wasn't to run to a Catholic church and be preached to in Latin.
I go to a few churches, but mostly an independant baptist church, and another independant church that ministers to the homeless. As in, everyone thought I was homeless just because I was there lol.
Once they had a bad guest preacher I didn't like how he sold his book at the pulpit. So I got up and left. I was not alone and the pastor said the man would not be preaching again unless he expressed he learned his lesson.
There's independant churches all over the spectrum from culty bible-bashing white supremists, to SJWs hanging rainbow flags and performing gay marriages. So the independant Baptist church in your town might suck. But mine I like a lot. They sing the type of gospel I like and the pastor preaches right out of a Bible.
Something I learned as a convert, which might piss people off, is how many people are just "culturally Christian." I had a good year of going nuts whenever I learned my classmate, coworker, aquiantance, was Christian. I quickly learned that a LOT of people are raised in Sunday school and to say they're Christian, but all they really believe is "Uhhhhhh..... God is.... probably real?" They go days to weeks to even months without thinking about their own religion, they really do.
The "quote a random verse to prove my point" type of person is one step above this, if you ask me. Many religious people aren't THAT religious and will tell you as much. Their religion stops at the point where it would make them uncool culturally. At least in my experience in a liberal area.
"Whoah whoa whoa... I'm, like, kinda christian, but not like... untolerant or anything!" And they get really scared if you say grace.
I recommend the YouTube channel Ready To Harvest. He does a lot of videos on denominations and things like that.
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fellas, youre all going to hell. doesnt matter what side youre on
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What the fuck has that got to do with anything?
Honestly the number of Kiwis who armchair quarterback about Catholicism are irritating. Hardly any of them go to Mass, they're definitely Christmas + Easter Catholics. Basically they want the authority and guilt of Catholicism but none of that godly love or forgiveness or welcoming strangers sort of thing that Jesus likes to do. They're just haters in cosplay miters lmao
ETA: I'm Episcopalian.
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I also recommend Ready To Harvest, he does a solid job of simply explaining how different denominations work without trying to push you in any particular direction.
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No, the idea is that the Pope is the successor of St. Peter, not Christ. The Catholic position is also not that everything the Pope says is infallible, but that you have an eternal divine decree from God that secures the Church from having a Pope teach error ex cathedra, i.e. from the See of Peter, so the Pope cannot make any false proclaiments which are truly binding upon the Church. Something like that.