Why is Uncle Remus/Song of the south considered racist?

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I dont get it. Theres nothing negative about uncle remus that seems like theyre mocking him or people like him. Hes a kindly old man who likes singing songs and telling stories to kids. Hes ostensibly a freedman in antebellum georgia, which means he is likely to be a pretty intelligent and motivated man who bought himself out of slavery. Is it the accent? Because if you go to the rural south today, thats how black people there talk. I just dont get it. The guy who played uncle remus, James Baskett, is the first black oscar winner in history, walt disney worked tooth and nail to push the academy to let him get that oscar, hes probably one of the first great black actors, and he died of a heart attack at a young age. From everything i can see nothing about song of the south appears to be racially derogatory and he seems like a lovable childrens character like Mr. Rogers. And instead the guy died in obscurity as a pariah because he acted in what was at the time the cutting edge of animation

just fuckin sad to think about
 
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Open Window Maniac said:
The racism accusations from Song of The South stem from how it shows the lives of Reconstruction-era sharecroppers as being pretty nice, when it was more like working the land of your former master for a pittance along with a group of other people.
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Along with a group of other people that was usually mixed or mostly white, you mean. The vast majority of blacks in the US never saw a plantation and farmers and wealthier families would only have one or two slaves, if any, to help with menial labor, cleaning, nannying. Blacks transitioned from unpaid to with astonishing grace and sharecropping was the most self-evidently equitable arrangement for rural blacks because there's almost no other way to have someone take over acres without cutting them loose and watching them lose the farm to the bank.
This is also why, despite blacks selling off valuable property on the cheap to move north, which sett the black property ownership rate behind a few decades, the south is still a way better place overall for blacks to live in every conceivable metric, except maybe welfare.

Fun retrospective here. Blacks in the south who farmed specifically had the best income ratio than other rural blacks who worked in the south, black people in the south in general, and blacks in the entire US. Ignoring the issues of performance and price-gouging that contribute to the gap, southern black sharecroppers earned 89% individually of what a white one would, while a northern black textile worker would earn 37% of their white peers (if they were allowed to work the position at all). These values are after factoring in rough estimated expenditures.

Ultimately Uncle Remus is haram because the original character he's based on was a slave, even if they made him a sharecropper for the characters to follow. The idea of a servile slave man who seems content with his life and station set off alarm bells for incoming controversy so now it can't come back even if most people wouldn't give a fuck. The ebonics "African American Vernacular English" and the deliberate alienation of southern culture are also major elements to locking away Song of the South. In fact, if it was named about anything else, I'd expect it to be still in circulation.
 
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America worships niggers, so not protraying them as the greatest thing ever at everything then it's racist.

Look at black panther. the WE WUZ KINGDOM of wakanda is a wish fulfillment fantasy where niggers are the smartest and most physically fit in the world, the complete opposite of reality.

A movie like Boyz in the Hood would be deemed racist because progressives will never admit to blacks being violent
 
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Stereotypical views were tied to "racism" around the 2010s by awful people taking advantage of the stupidity of the common person. Go ahead and try to depict an african tribe in your fantasy tv show without being called racist, it's literally impossible. Apu isn't a racist caricature by any reasonable view but he is certainly a stereotype, so naturally he had to be sacrificed for the single race future. Being able to separate a racial stereotype from "racism" is the first step to not being an absolute retard.
 
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because niggers are fucking retarded and they see the WIBOY's recent bent-overness as an opportunity to take after their puppetmasters the Jews and place themselves as high on the victim ladder as possible so now everything with a nigger in it that wasn't created by niggers or things without vehemently pro-nigger messages made by cucky white liberals is RAYSIZZEMS
 
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Cup Noodle said:
You are very optimistic on the linguistic abilities of southern blacks.
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as a freedman in antebellum uncle remus would have been of the "talented tenth"
Open Window Maniac said:
The racism accusations from Song of The South stem from how it shows the lives of Reconstruction-era sharecroppers as being pretty nice, when it was more like working the land of your former master for a pittance along with a group of other people.
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Idk this is gonna sound calloused but everywhere else you already hear boohoo it was so bad boohoo, do you really need racial grievance propaganda in everything? It's a cartoon about an old black gentleman singing songs with cartoon rabbits. being a southerner at all postbellum was really shit if you weren't one of the 2% of people who had previously owned slaves and had a cushion of assets to fall back on.

being a farmer in general was dog shit awful back then. there's some evidence to show via height records that they were better fed as slaves (a slave is expensive and you want them running at optimal performance so as to not squander the investment) in the antebellum south than the average free farmer was, so other than not being obligated to work and gaining voting rights, they probably experienced a sharp dip in living standards in the time immediately after all the slaves were freed. I think it should also be said that most slaves on plantations were paid. Not a lot, as they were given room and board already, and because they were, well, slaves, but they were paid some amount of money. There were many very intelligent black people who saved their pay and bought themselves out of slavery, and either moved north, or sometimes became slave owners themselves.

Not saying slavery was good or whatever but I have a hard time feeling guilt over it when at the peak of slavery only about 2% of Americans owned slaves and they were the equivalent of billionaires at the time, the descendants of those people brought over are now on avg. some of the wealthiest people on the planet, whereas if they were kept in Africa (where they were slaves already before being bought) they would have had to deal with starvation, castration, and having their limbs chopped off by other Africans.it just seems like rentseeking.

It was the 40s. Do you think the segment of the public that actually wanted to keep da black man down would respond as well if song of the south had been a racial grievance story and not a happy film that just happened to prominently feature a black man in a way that was groundbreaking at the time? Idk. I think the racial grievance people care more about rentseeking and holding on to racial grievance more than they actually care about equality under the law.
 
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Retink said:
Why was Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and many others considered racist? People are retarded.
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I really don't know. The reason so many products are named like this is because until like the 1950s, if you lived outside of New England or the western states and could afford a housekeeper or butler, it was probably gonna be an old black person, and the kids would refer to them as an aunt or uncle. So the association was akin to naming a food product "Mr. Jeeves" and having a logo of a British butler on it, the marketing message being their product is so good, it's like you had a butler make it for you at home
 
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Long story short it's because white people think "white people bad and racist!" but they literally see a fucking happy old man who is black and immeditely assume it's racist propaganda. Walt Disney himself had the stereotype of Nazi tied to him within the past few decades due to his apparent attitudes towards jewish people before WW2 and the censored shit that could be considered a "jew" joke like the funny moment where the big bad wolf disguises as a friendly old dude with a vaugely jewish sounding accent.
Retink said:
Why was Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and many others considered racist? People are retarded.
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The floyd death made megacorps "rethink" about shit, though it was transparently just a ploy and excuse to further simplify packagging design and logos removing the human element even further from BRAND shit. the Land-O- lakes native woman is another omission from around this time period If I'm remembering this right and she's not even black lmao.
 
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The Lawgiver said:
Long story short it's because white people think "white people bad and racist!" but they literally see a fucking happy old man who is black and immeditely assume it's racist propaganda. Walt Disney himself had the stereotype of Nazi tied to him within the past few decades due to his apparent attitudes towards jewish people before WW2 and the censored shit that could be considered a "jew" joke like the funny moment where the big bad wolf disguises as a friendly old dude with a vaugely jewish sounding accent.

The floyd death made megacorps "rethink" about shit, though it was transparently just a ploy and excuse to further simplify packagging design and logos removing the human element even further from BRAND shit. the Land-O- lakes native woman is another omission from around this time period If I'm remembering this right and she's not even black lmao.
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I literally think stereotypes, even somewhat negative ones, are a sort of memetic interface that lets people of different cultures interact when jammed in close proximity. Stereotypes are so prevalent in America because you had so many different ethnicities jammed into small spaces like a city or a neighborhood. You have this mental template of what an Irish person in 1920s new York city is like, and you use that as a heuristic in your interactions with them.
 
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Retink said:
Why was Aunt Jemima, Uncle Ben, and many others considered racist? People are retarded.
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Aunt Jemima's name came from a minstrel show performance titled "old aunt Jemima." While it was popular among black face performers the song and character were both orginally created and preformed by Billy Kersands, a black man.
 
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