Why Modern women expectations are too high and unrealistic?

[Dawdler]

The logical and rational gender proposing violence because another group is doing something they don't like, yet again

It is ironic posting, however as you took the bait, same psychological operations can be used as feminism.
"You aren't a real woman unless you are married" checkmate

The problem for men is that they can't just become gay. They either are or they aren't, prison gay doesn't count.

Child abusers would disagree with you

 

[horseorigin]

I don’t know how, but you managed to twist woman practicing celibacy and discretion, like it’s somehow a bad thing. The way this is phrased kind of sounds like double speak. Like, ‘why do woman think they have the right to refuse men? They’re not THAT high value’ The implication being they should just let men shit on them or do whatever they want with them? I feel like I’m in a freshman college meeting on consent. Woman are allowed to say no to men for whatever reason they damn well feel like. The choice is theirs. Not a man’s, not their families, their own choice.

 

[Kovachs]

The problem for men is that they can't just become gay. They either are or they aren't, prison gay doesn't count.

Then men can also jerk off to porn or AI chatbots. If all else fails they can turn to prostitution. I've seen quite a few people in this thread completely remove any kind of non-fungibility from qualities valuable in men in order to defend this new female machismo, what with saying that women only need dildos and the ability to pay their bills and all. If women can do that without being lonely, I don't see why men can't also reduce women to entirely fungible sex-objects and artificially produce means of providing sexual and emotional satisfaction for themselves. There are certain social fetishisms that prevent this, but the same is true of women writing off men. I think they both need each other, if it is true that one needs the other.

 

[Idiot Doom Spiral]

Anyone else here simply past fucking caring about women’s standards and what they want?

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

I'm aware, I couldn't find a picture of his family in front of their farmhouse.

So, as a very trad person, do you do a lot of farming on the regular? Have you sheared any sheep lately? Smoked any hams?

 

[Looseleaf Paper]

Anyone else here simply past fucking caring about women’s standards and what they want?

Women got there like 10 years ago, men need to catch up.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

I understand that male homosexuality upsets many people, women included, but it really can be quite rewarding. And these days you can find surrogates or simply adopt

Kill yourself, faggot. Literally, right now

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

99.999% of men are not raping women.

99.999% of men do their best to protect their wives, sisters, and female associates from rape.

How? By dismissing valid evidence as meaningless? Zeroing in on everything a raped woman did before and after as wrong, a lie, and deserving of rape? Forgetting eons of sanctioned, institutionalized, and silenced rape because some weirdo carried a mattress to a graduation ceremony once 10 years ago?

99.999% of men universally despise rapists and react violently, or espouse beliefs of violence when confronted by the idea or the act of rape.
99.999% of men would have to be stopped from killing another man if they encountered that man raping a woman even if they don't know the woman.

Not on this site.

Men created the laws, anti-rape laws predate the political enfranchisement of women and the 19th amendment.
Prior to modernity and the modern justice system rapists were subjected to mob justice when they were found and killed and no one cared.

Lol.

Yeah, in the 13th century rape was finally prosecutable. Not until the 19th century for a black woman against a white man. Lol guess how many of those were prosecuted.

The Code of Hammurabi, one of the earliest sets of written laws, considered the rape of a virgin as property damage against her father. For a long time, the rape of a woman was considered a property crime against the victim’s husband or father. The word itself derives from the Latin word rapere, or “seize”. It wasn’t until the 11th and 12th centuries that rape began to be considered more as a violent, sexual crime against the victim. At the end of the 13th century, the Statutes of Westminster allowed the crown to prosecute rapists should the victim’s family choose not to do so, signifying a fundamental change in rape being viewed as a crime against the State.

Early American colonies defined rape at the common-law as “carnal knowledge of a woman 10 year or older, forcibly and against her will.” In the late 1800s, temperance and suffrage activists successfully advocated to raise the legal age of consent from 10 to between 14 and 18, depending on the state. Not everyone, however, was excited about this progress. In 1895, one Kentucky legislator wrote, “I regard the twelve-year-old girl as being capable of resisting the wiles of the seducer as any older woman.”

During the 1800s, most states excluded black women, both free and enslaved, from rape laws. Slave women frequently endured violent sexual abuse which often resulted in pregnancy. If a slave woman attempted to defend herself against such abuse, she would be beaten severely.

It was not until 1861 that a black woman could even file rape charges against a white man.

Nearly 100 years later, the Anti-Rape movementemerged as violence against women became a central point in the second-wave feminist movement. The 1960s onward ushered in significant progress in American rape law. It was during this time that rape began to be viewed as a weapon, driven by the desire to exert control over women.

Perhaps the most significant change came in 1975 when Congress adopted rules 412, 413, 414, and 415 into the Federal Rules of Evidence. These rules, more commonly known as “rape shield” laws, limit the Defendant’s ability to probe into the sexual behavior, history, or reputation of the alleged victim. Prior to 1975, Defendants could attack an alleged victim’s credibility by presenting evidence of the victim’s sexual activity. The public humiliation and embarrassment of having their sexual history dragged out in court became a strong incentive for victims not to report sex crimes. Subject to limited and strict exceptions, rules 412-415 of the Federal Rules of Evidence prevents evidence of a victim’s sexual history from being used to discredit him or her.

Not until the 1970s was marital rape even considered rape. In 1976, Nebraska became the first state to make marital rape a crime. By 1993, marital rape was a crime in all 50 states.

Prior to this development, many rape statutes only considered forced intercourse to be rape when the perpetrator was male and the survivor was someone he did not have a prior sexual relationship with. The marital rape exception was, therefore, rooted in the idea that consent is a contractual relationship a woman enters when she marries a man.

FIVE years ago this remained the case in Minnesota:

[...]many states still have loopholes in their legislation that allow for marital rape cases to go unprosecuted when survivors bring them forward. Such was the case of Jenny Teeson, a survivor of marital rape, in 2019. When she reported her case to law enforcement, Teeson discovered that Minnesota law still contained a provision shielding perpetrators from prosecution if the survivor was their spouse or in a voluntary sexual relationship with the perpetrator. The provision was repealed that year due largely to Teeson’s efforts in lobbying state lawmakers.

And remains the case in some states:

Despite this win in Minnesota, approximately a dozen states [Iirc this article is from 2018 -ed.] still provide legal protections to perpetrators in situations of marital rape. In South Carolina, married survivors have to prove a threat of physical violence within 30 days of an act of sexual violence before pursuing a case. In Ohio, intentionally impairing a spouse’s mental state to perpetrate an act of sexual violence or perpetrating when a spouse is unconscious is completely legal.

(All quotes come from the linked articles and are consistent with the content and references. I've reorganized some quotes for something close to chronology.).

But the above is just about laws on the books. Beyond the minimization in enacted laws, prosecution of rape cases is pathetic.

@Otterly
I can't reply directly to your post.


The question wasn't the expectation, the question was "what magic and beauty do women create"
if you consider these things to be "magical" then you also have to consider men who work a regular job "magical"
and that's absurd. You know it's absurd. You wrote an entire paragraph rubbing your muff about doing the bare minimum basics that are expected of women and call this "creating magic" but I've also seen you and others in this thread minimizing the bare minimum expectations for men. Does a man create something magical when he has a full time job? No. And neither do you for these very basic qualifications of womanhood.

A lot of women (@Otterly being one, iirc, along with many women here) do all of this AND work a full-time job.

Backwards and in high heels, as phrased by a woman who did exactly that.

Generally speaking men do harder jobs. The majority of women I know work safe, boring, office jobs. Most of the men I know work in some kind of dangerous field, a couple of industrial welders, a few electricians, I know one guy who's qualified as an underwater welder, etc. When women come home from a long day of pushing papers and feel resentment to their men who came home from 8-10 hours of physically destroying their bodies then they're retarded.

I know there are men who work cushy jobs too, and then I can maybe understand. If a woman and man are working similar jobs for the same number of hours a week, sure. But that's not the usual case.

What about women who work more hours, make more money, and do all the other as well? They're not anecdotes.

In 40% of families with children under 18, the mother is the primary breadwinner, according to Pew Research.

Nearly 30% of marriages have spouses making about the same. In 16%, women are the primary or sole breadwinner, up from 5% in 1972. Men are primary breadwinners in 55% of marriages, down from 85% in 1972. Of those, men are the sole breadwinners in 23% of marriages, down from 49% in 1972. These numbers continue to increase.

Even as financial contributions have become more equal in marriages, the way couples divide their time between paid work and home life remains unbalanced. Women pick up a heavier load when it comes to household chores and caregiving responsibilities, while men spend more time on work and leisure.

This is true in egalitarian marriages – where both spouses earn roughly the same amount of money – and in marriages where the wife is the primary earner. The only marriage type where husbands devote more time to caregiving than their wives is one in which the wife is the sole breadwinner. In those marriages, wives and husbands spend roughly the same amount of time per week on household chores.

In egalitarian and breadwinner wife marriages, husbands spend considerably more time on leisure activities than wives. Husbands in egalitarian marriages spend about 3.5 hours more per week on leisure activities than wives do. Wives in these marriages spend roughly 2 hours more per week on caregiving than husbands do and about 2.5 hours more on housework. In marriages where wives are the primary earners, husbands’ leisure time increases significantly (compared with egalitarian marriages), while the time they spend on caregiving and housework stays about the same. When wives are the sole earners, the amount of time husbands spend on caregiving and housework does tick up somewhat.

Your beliefs are incorrect.

when they use that sentimental view of marriage to tell me what I should or shouldn't do,

No one cares what you do. The only sentimentality I saw itt was defensive and not telling you anything about your preferences.

 

[Lithuophile]

You: Eats takeout, plays computer games, and masturbates

You doomscroll KF daily. I doubt your "wife" is 3D.

 

[JamusActimus]

You doomscroll KF daily. I doubt your "wife" is 3D.

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At least she's 1D, disabled.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

I will prostitute my time and body to a man

But they are pertinent to something else in foids- Their happiness. That itch you just can't scratch.

Apparently modern dildos are pretty damn good so I am going to have to disagree with you there bucko

 

[community member]

lmao

 

[JamusActimus]

Men aren't pertinent to my survival, if i pay the bills you have absolutely nothing to offer to me that can't be replaced by family, friends , cats and dildoes .

You are literally a dildo who thinks its worth a shit and women can't without. Newsflash they can. Simple as.

Now chad or nothing baba .

You're in 2d women are better than 3d territory.

 

[Kovachs]

No one cares what you do. The only sentimentality I saw itt was defensive and not telling you anything about your preferences.

People do care what I do. This is absurd. People on this site regularly moralize and tell people how they should live their lives. And it doesn't even have to be only related to posts in this thread, or even on the internet at all. That's kind of a presumption that you've taken for granted within this response. Though I don't necessarily fault you for that. I know people in my real life who take this exact attitude towards me, and who are family members that obviously do care what I do.

 

[JamusActimus]

People do care what I do. This is absurd. People on this site regularly moralize and tell people how they should live their lives. And it doesn't even have to be only related to posts in this thread, or even on the internet at all. That's kind of a presumption that you've taken for granted within this response. Though I don't necessarily fault you for that. I know people in my real life who take this exact attitude towards me, and who are family members that obviously do care what I do.

How does that relate to gay sex?

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

People do care what I do. This is absurd. People on this site regularly moralize and tell people how they should live their lives. And it doesn't even have to be only related to posts in this thread, or even on the internet at all. That's kind of a presumption that you've taken for granted within this response. Though I don't necessarily fault you for that. I know people in my real life who take this exact attitude towards me, and who are family members that obviously do care what I do.

Show me where @Otterly 's sentimentality touched you.

 

[Dawdler]

There are more women in women hating thread than men in men hating thread. This just proves men are more tolerant than women and therefore better than women.

 

[Lidl Drip]

 

[Kovachs]

Show me where @Otterly 's sentimentality touched you.

I didn't specify @Otterly. Again, you're making presumptions about my post. I don't even understand what it is you are upset about, if you are upset. Please explain. It's like you didn't even bother to read my post in response to you.

How does that relate to gay sex?

Well, it was related to marriage and family life, not "gay sex". You're not even following the conversation. The reason why I brought up homosexuality was within an entirely different subtopic, and was specifically related to the idea that men are reliant on women exclusively for emotional or sexual gratification, which is being used gratuitously by a number of people within this thread. You can see how some of these people are talking about men. They are saying that they are basically no different from flesh dildos.

 

[horseorigin]

They're not pertinent to your survival, sure. But they are pertinent to something else in foids- Their happiness. That itch you just can't scratch. No amount of feminist copium can satisfy it. No matter how much money, or stuff, or "fulfillment" your life might reach, not having someone to share it with, KILLS women. Far more than it does any man. They drive themselves nuts over it. There's a reason Wine Aunts exist. They don't have any choice but to drown themselves in wine. You might be able to do everything a man can do, but you can't ever stop from feeling lonely.


I'm pretty sure we're just doing a bit. I don't think either of us are really that serious. I know I'm not.

Gather around, children. What this unfortunate toad has uttered, is something I like to call ‘man myths’. Men will make up shit about woman wholesale and set up societal standards that they collectively pressure woman to agree to. You ever hear a man recite something like this? It is a fucking psyop. No woman in her right mind who is truly whole, feels threatened at the idea of being without romantic partnership. Even the ones who do, are not thrown into eternal clinical despair that can only be solved with a dick in her. A big portion of it has to do with sex drive. Men say they want partners when really, they just want a hole to fuck. The vast majority of woman see sex as pointless without connection.

Without the influence of men, Woman do not ORGANICALLY come to the conclusion ‘oh gee oh god I’m soooo lonely and the only thing that will change my life and make it better is a little dick in me!!’ without the pressure of men trying to impose that fear that they hold, onto woman. As a woman, you only develop this fear through men who pressure and hold you to these expectations. Why? Because men are so terrified of going without a precious fuck doll that they’ll do literally anything, including inciting fear to make you doubt yourself. There’s no big long game, men cannot control their natural urges and the idea of being without somebody to fuck is literal torture to most men, who lack impulse control and purity… so THEY are not in the position of ‘wine aunt’. I scoff everytime I hear a dude talk this way, because NO woman has these thoughts without the influence of men. Motherfucker, that is called projection. Read my lips. Woman. Don’t. Need. Men. The way. Men. NEED. woman. And never will, bish!


The truth is 90% of woman are just FINE on their own, and only become destabilized by threat of men trying to gain access to their pussies. If they can’t measure up (rarity for men) they will coerce you out of fear… their OWN fear.

I have a riddle. Woman don’t get depressed and throw suicidal bitch fits over not getting dick. But you know who does? Men. When woman are feeling lonely they turn to friends, family, coworkers, pets, writing, music, art, sports, you know, hobbies. You know who spends that time crying about male loneliness and that ‘if ONLY I had a crumb of pussy I wouldn’t be a miserable, dysgenic, isolated male with nothing to live for!’ It’s fucking MEN, who need woman to self regulate. Not the other way around. No woman’s life has ever been made better than anything she could’ve accomplished on her own with the edition of men.