Why racism is bad?

It's a little strange to talk about racism to suddenly turn around ranting about fags. I mean I get it, but it took me off guard.

Anyways we have to really think about what type of racism we're talking about. You can sit here and say "racism is good actually" all you want, but you still have to address the elephant in the room which is what racism has done to innocent people in the past, and the present.

Like all things in life it's a little more complicated but let's keep it simple. Let's say there are 2 main types of racism, and call it racism 1 and racism 2.

Let us obliterate the holocaust and pretend it never happened as a few on this site do so it doesn't keep coming up in these discussions. Ok so the nazis dindu nuffin. That still leaves multiple examples in the 20th and previous centuries of entire groups of people being explicitly targeted based on nothing else but their race—genocides, slavery, massacres, mass persecution, etc. This is racism 1.

Racism 1 is racial supremacy taken to the extreme to the point it leads to terrible outcomes for everyone involved including the perpetrators (their descendants get the worst of it), but especially innocent people. Most human beings, even those who self-identify as racist don't want to see innocent people suffer death and extreme cruelty regardless of where they come from. Racism #1 has the potential to destroy entire groups of people and lower the actual diversity of this planet, and it means racism 2 gets more scrutinized.

So let's talk about racism 2. Racism 2 is basically what a lot of people call pattern recognition. How I personally see it is that you're being on guard around certain groups of people until proven otherwise, or just avoiding them entirely if possible. This includes having certain negative stereotypes about different racial groups. Nearly everyone does this to some extent, and even if they don't do it racially they certainly do it socially.

On the surface, there really isn't a problem with this type of racism. Someone calling you a racial slur, avoiding you in the street, or just being a little extra careful around you doesn't really change your life all that much. It's not like they're beating the shit out of you, or throwing your job application in the trash. You can go about your day like no ones business.


What I find interesting is that you can't categorize racial nationalism like white nationalism in this autistic way of thinking. Probably because of the whole "its more complicated" shit, but also because just being a white nationalist in itself isn't harmful to other people. However, I don't see how a white nationalist can achieve their goals at least in the USA without causing extreme harm upon millions of innocent people even if it's just mass deportation of every nonwhite citizen. It doesn't help such movements when a retard like Bowlcut Roof walks into a black church and starts shooting.

Is it really that hard to fathom why Western people don't like racism when some subhuman goes somewhere, releases a manifesto that to the average person just says "im a racist" and shoots random people? It's like a fag going "I'm gay" and molesting a kid.
 
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ZeCommissar said:
You can sit here and say "racism is good actually" all you want, but you still have to address the elephant in the room which is what racism has done to innocent people in the past, and the present.
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Racism fundamentally exists to just create a slave society. In the US racism post civil war existed to try and keep the Blacks (and Mex, Chinese etc) as second class for cheaper labor. Apartheid did this with Blacks, Imperial Japan with China/Korea, etc. TND will never happen because the moment you get rid of these people you need the first class population to get their hands dirty, and they never will because theyve been coddled not to accept that.

You can have the closedminded view of history that the South could've survived, Brits and Boers could've created a United States of Africa (looking at you Zoomer Historian), and whatever else. But there's a reason Anglo south africans hated apartheid, or why yankees hated slavery etc. - it relies on a nonstop denial of reality that eventually runs out
 
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Is it really that hard to fathom why Western people don't like racism when some subhuman goes somewhere, releases a manifesto that to the average person just says "im a racist" and shoots random people? It's like a fag going "I'm gay" and molesting a kid.
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This almost sounds reasonable at a glance, but then thinking about it for more than 5 seconds, to me the fact that you had to write an essay to ostensibly explain what this one commonly used word means in the leadup to this conclusion is more of an indictment of the word itself and the ideology underpinning its usage than the behavior it allegedly describes.
 
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It's bad because muh civil rights movement and sitins at lunch counters where upstanding people of color got food poured on them for absolutely no reason at all.
 
To counter some of the people here, while each race has different attributes such as IQ, skin color, etc that doesn't mean you should treat someone bad because of their race. Also why did you sneak homosexuality in there? Homosexuality is a degenerative practice and not something someone is born doing.
 
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Assuming we're talking about real racism and not "what social media calls racism". There's one that I think is a pretty good reason.

It's logically fallacious, pretty much inherently so.

The main one is the composition/division fallacy. The basic gist of it being that statements about an individual may not inherently be true for the group, and statements of the group may not inherently be true of the individual. A pretty basic example being "if atoms are invisible to the naked eye, and you are made up of atoms, then you are invisible to the naked eye" or the inverse "if I can see you with the naked eye, and you are made up of atoms, then I can see atoms with the naked eye".

Switch out atoms for individuals within a group and the human body for the group as collective and you've pretty much just found out how most racism comes about. This is also why progressive concepts like "white privilege" are also totally wrong. They're committing the exact same fallacy. "Positive racism" isn't given an exclusion by this definition. It's treated the same.

The good thing about this explanation is that it also doesn't actually prevent any pattern recognition, like @ZeCommissar's explanation of "racism 2". You can still recognize patterns and work off that. It only becomes racist when you engage in the fallacy and apply the group observation to the individual wrongfully. So you can say something along the lines of "A lot of Indians have a problem with shitting in the streets" and it's fine, since you're making a group observation. It would only be an issue if, for example, you hired an Indian guy to your job and you trained him to use the toilet because you're like "well, he's indian".
 
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Because racial arguments can (and oftentimes do) fall into absurd ever-reductive purity spirals that boil down to "everybody but the people from my neighborhood are subhumans". You can see it yourself among white nationalists with the nordicist and pro-mediterranean factions, the two basically hate each other to death (fun fact, the idea of a nordic/non-nordic divide in Italy, which basically says that the southern italians are subhuman, was popularized in part thanks to a Jew, no, I'm not kidding)
 
Most people on the thread agree that hating someone over of an aspect of them they have no control over is bad for society (they could have a lot of merit you don't recognize), unfair to the person, and just generally unchristian.

Stupid liberals vying for "Pick me!!" woke bucks decided that a bunch of random shit was actually racism too, therefore ruining the rejection of bigotry for everyone.
 
It is good to be discerning but racism is a shortcut with negatives that come with taking it.

Even if generally accurate when making predictions, attributing behavior to race provides an excuse for the person to engage in the behavior free of personal condemnation. It prevents the culling of the herd with shame that could otherwise allow those of a particular race to improve. It allows those of the race to develope pride and form culture around shameful things, perpetuating them and the burden they pose on others while simultaneously sowing the seeds of martyrdom so that even if purged, their twisted ideologies linger to corrupt the rebellious youth of future generations who have not yet learned the wisdom behind the lessons from those who raise them.
 
The original push against racism was for people to avoid judging the individual based purely on a factor they were born with. It's the stereotypical "after school PSA" thing where there's a genius black kid who is always getting pushed around and called a dumb nigger by his white classmates just for his race, when he is a positive productive member of society. The reality is there are many black people (and jeets, etc) who are just that, and I actually agree they shouldn't necessarily be lumped in with their less than exemplary peers.

The problem is there are problems and negative traits in racial groups. Like others said, racism has come to no longer be about individuals but demographics. It refers to pattern recognition completely. It is undeniable that blacks as a demographic commit more crime, tend to be violent, and tend to be less intelligent. You can debate the reasons for those things; could be culture, could be genetic. I personally think it's a mix of both. Regardless it's smart to avoid the poor black side of town because it's statistically nearly impossible that all or even most of them are peaceful upstanding individuals. A few of them could very well be; but you're not going to go in there and risk getting robbed and murdered to meet them. Meanwhile if you go to the rich white side of town, yes there's a chance there's some schizo kid lurking around with his dads gun, but it's much less likely statistically. There are times where we make decisions based on demographics and times based on individuals (job interviews, personal relationships). As a demographic, most blacks aren't the poor innocent victims being mistreated for no reason, they've earned their reputation but it's also unfair to the quiet well behaved black kid who gets straight A's in school to deny him from a job when he's perfectly qualified because of something he's never done himself. To some extent this can be applied to non racial groupings and stereotypes. Not all women are overly emotionally driven, not all gay men are promiscuous, but they're outliers and will make themselves evident on a case-by-case basis.

Nothing wrong with favoring certain groups imo, and stereotypes exist for a reason. People have always had an ingroup preference and kept their countries homogenous for many years, only letting in few outsiders who proved themselves and made the effort to integrate. This current year push to worship anyone who's the victimized skin color and let people go into any country they want indiscriminately even if they're rapey criminals whose culture clashes with the majority is unnatural, it goes against our human instincts.
 
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