why shouldn't I be a leftist?

[Farmer Dave]

@Farmer Dave motherfucker, you're a true leftard, the first thing you did is classify an entire forum with a label due some prejudice conviction that I bet not even you know where the fuck you picked it up, if that doesn't tell you that the path you're choosing is the wrong one then this post is pointless because you didn't created this to be convinced, you already made up your mind.

lol ur mad

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

lol ur mad

OMG sick burn. Slay kween.

 

[JosephStalin]

Despite my moniker here, I'm more of a centrist, probably a little right on the centrist continuum. For example, I want Constitutional carry of concealed weapons, but far as abortion goes am staunchly pro-choice. I look at the issue and take my stand, and so should everyone.

I don't care for unions, either. In some unions, if you aren't "in" with the union local leadership, you don't get sent out on too many jobs, at least good ones.

In my opinion anyone who deems themselves a "leftist" or a "rightist", or even worse, a "far-leftist" or a "far-rightist" hasn't really taken the time to consider the issues and determine their stance on the issues. If you do this, believe you end up somewhere in the large mass comprising the center.

On a side note, the Democratic Party is really fucking themselves as they tack further and further left. Not enough leftists of their ilk to win an election. If they could run someone who wasn't batshit crazy and had a bunch of centrist positions that person might have a chance against President Trump in 2020. But the Dems have cut off their nose to spite their face and they are going to lose again in November. Too many in the center will turn away from the Dems and vote for Trump, even if holding their noses.

 

[qt farmer :)]

despite what people say about centrism, I think a well-rounded & sane individual resides mostly somewhere in the center. extreme leanings also change and morph with the times, and right now we are in the middle of a cultural slump, so in today's political climate, if you go too far left, you have dangerhair troons and their ilk screaming about oppression that doesn't exist any chance they get. if you go too far right, you have people who have "Deus Vult" written everywhere, hate Jews, and who know a little too much about WW2, while being afraid to wash their own ass because it's gay.

basically; being an acolyte of either is mostly a product of adhering a little too closely to biased media. if you want to be a lefty or a righty, it's up to you. I'm not going to convince you to not be a leftist, but just know that if you go too far down on either end, the only thing you're going to be is a colossal faggot.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The big problem with the left as far as I can see is they don't know how to police themselves and distance themselves from the crackpots, the left has the attitude that if something is left leaning, it must be true, if a left leaning person say something (especially they're "a woman or person of color") then it must be taken seriously.

Meanwhile on the right there's no obligation to take the radial right seriously, plenty of conservatives are not down with Neo Nazis or whatever, if you don't agree with the radical right then you are not attacked by almost every conservative for not being a "real" conservative.

There are far too many toxic, wrongheaded ideas that have cropped on the left side and you're not allowed to disagree with them without everyone on the left attacking and claiming you aren't a "real" liberal.

Said ideas are far too dangerous and evil to tolerate, so if moderate liberals can't learn to distance themselves from it the left as a whole is fucked.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

and to my knowledge this forum is right-wing one

The Farms are neutral on politics. We're here to laugh at people, 'cause that's fun, debating politics is not so much, it brings out the worst in people.

Yet I wonder, where does this meme "Kiwi Farms = right-wing" come from? I mean, we're not /pol/ or 8chan.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Yet I wonder, where does this meme "Kiwi Farms = right-wing" come from? I mean, we're not /pol/ or 8chan.

We don't faun over and tell trans women of colour how stunning and brave they are; we've got to be Neo-Nazi's right?

 

[crocodilian]

The Farms are neutral on politics. We're here to laugh at people, 'cause that's fun, debating politics is not so much, it brings out the worst in people.

Yet I wonder, where does this meme "Kiwi Farms = right-wing" come from? I mean, we're not /pol/ or 8chan.

Kiwifarms is casually deemed right-wing because people aren't casually censored here. Compare to Reddit, Resetera or NeoGaf, which is often called left-leaning and moderates in a very heavyhanded way.

 

[Tism the Return]

You lose your meme card

 

[Mrs Paul]

I've made no secret that my politics lean left, but I also don't think that being on the right automatically makes you evil. I think that's a problem with politics. (And no, it's not necessarily anything new)

It's that you don't want to look like a Tumblr leftist. In fact, there's a tumblr page that someone made about that very problem. (I think I've linked to it before, but it's a good read)

So don't worry about it. Eventually you learn not to give a shit what people think.


Plus, a lot of the cows we make fun of are leftists (such as Riley Dennis). That doesn't help.

And let's face it: there are a lot of people on the left who seem to fit the stereotype of being so open-minded their brains fall out.

 

[Y2K Baby]

goes am staunchly pro-choice

Kill yourself, my dude.

 

[DtoDab]

I don't like politics that much

I generally favour policies where the taxpayer money goes back to the population in the form of public services.

I'm not left because I grew up with conservative family, and share conservative values, that and reading about socialism and communism soured me about collectivist ideologies, the good intentions never outweighs the disastrous results in trying to control human nature.

While I hope I'm not making some sort of unfair generalization, I feel the modern left is too incompatible if not vocally hostile towards values that I feel deserve if not agreement, deserve at least polite respect, it's not a culture I feel welcoming or even sincere, it seems dominated not by consistent inner values of freedom or equality, but rather reenforced by fear and enforced social punishment, hard pass for me.

An example of what is seen as culturally and socially acceptable was the attacks to the Covington Catholic kid, where you had journalists openly wishing harm on the child, This for me is a culture too fucked up to be taken seriously.

I don't like thought policing and orwellian social control, if the right was pushing this shit I would be equally against it.

I understand and appreciate the roles of both progressive and conservative mindsets in a functioning society, but I mostly separate what is conservative/progressive from what is right/left, but for me individualism and freedom of expression will always be values under a counterculture, only depending on what is the side dominating the current cultural climate, sometimes the right is being controlling, this decade, I feel it's what you call the left that is doing it.

In the end, the labels don't matter so much.

 

[Overcast]

*Why shouldn't I be a leftist*

Why should you be anything in this false dichotomy we call the political spectrum?

 

[Longjack Attack]

The labels of leftist and right-winger are overrated. There is nothing wrong with being multifaceted within your beliefs and how you view and interpret your experiences. Once you start devoting yourself to these labels, anything you say that's outside the belief spectrum will probably get you shamed and ostracized within those said groups. Just ditch the label and stick to your own guts.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

Because you're enough of a faggot as it is.

Even the right wing parties in Europe generally favour things like universal healthcare and some degree of union rights. It's just that the US is so far out of wack they consider things like Bernie (someone who is further right than most European right wing politicians) to be some crackpot commie when he really isn't.

This is an utter meme that American leftists seem to perpetuate to make their ideas seem more palatable, even though actual old school Socialist parties in the EU would find many of his ideas a bit far-fetched. You'd have to be drinking lead-based paint to think he's more right-wing than Euro right-wingers. Let's review some of his proposed policies:

-a child's idea of a wealth tax (when nearly all Euro countries have largely abandoned even their far more sensible ones, or are all planning to)
-force corporations to sell stocks to their employees until a certain percentage is met
-Double the minimum wage (even the unions here are asking for it to be raised by half at most)
-opposed austerity measures in Greece (political suicide anywhere in the EU outside of Greece)
-opposed military intervention against ISIS (unpopular even here)
-abolish tuition fees and student debt entirely (only the Nordic countries really do this)
-supports Green New Deal (excessive eco-activism has proven very divisive here)
-single-player healthcare (most euro countries actually have a mixed system, completely socializing it isn't that popular among the centre-left)
-the race and gender pandering (generally not as big a deal here)

All in all, he'd be a pretty staunchly Far Left candidate in most European countries. Quite a few of his central policies would make him more extreme than a few actual Socialist parties. I don't think there's anything wrong with supporting him, but the dude is just quite radical. Pretending that Hard Left viewpoints are the Centre won't do anyone any favours.

 

[Stoneheart]

Even the right wing parties in Europe generally favour things like universal healthcare and some degree of union rights. It's just that the US is so far out of wack they consider things like Bernie (someone who is further right than most European right wing politicians) to be some crackpot commie when he really isn't.

The US system is shit, thats the problem. forced unions are a Nazi tactic and you cant pay for universal healthcare in an antiwork society.
Bernie would be considered far left in europe, and also very racist. but not a socialist or Commie.

My own experience is within the auto industry, so I dont want to give examples outside of this... but the idea of a union existing in a first world country is awful.

The biggest Car company is controlled by unions and the local government and it beats every Us company in every field, while paying better for less hours.

Yet I wonder, where does this meme "Kiwi Farms = right-wing" come from? I mean, we're not /pol/ or 8chan.

Yes, where does that come from?

This is an utter meme that American leftists seem to perpetuate to make their ideas seem more palatable, even though actual old school Socialist parties in the EU would find many of his ideas a bit far-fetched.

American leftiest are the Scum of the earth...

-force corporations to sell stocks to their employees until a certain percentage is met

Well the UK has the same Idea.
Germany doesnt, the unions and the Industry talked to the government, Its less taxes so big companies can pay a small amount in stocks if they want.
The unions and local reps have also alot of power inside the company leadership
stuff like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitbestimmungsgesetz

-opposed austerity measures in Greece (political suicide anywhere in the EU outside of Greece)

Well he wasnt wrong about that. a haircut for better laws would have been the better solution.
Greece had a problem with corruption, not with to much welfare for people who need it.

-single-player healthcare (most euro countries actually have a mixed system, completely socializing it isn't that popular among the centre-left)

thats because everybody but the brits like their system. im also not sure if there are many mixed countrys, i think its only germany with a real mix.

I don't think there's anything wrong with supporting him, but the dude is just quite radical.

He is very stupid and old.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Bernie (someone who is further right than most European right wing politicians)

Utter moron.

 

[Consenticles]

@Stoneheart

Absolutely agree it is a broken system as a whole. Just airing out personal grievances I have experienced second hand.

It's not about all the wasted money going into a few union officials pockets. Though this is a big factor as to why I am against them. It is the fact that people who want to work and not strike get punished. In some cases they lose their jobs.

I fully endorse the benefits of unions where they are needed, but once labor hits a certain bench line all you are doing is accelerating the automatic process that will eventually take over your job. Machines do not strike. They do not make demands on their employers.

Plus general rule of thumb is that crippling the company that pays you is hardly ever a good idea.... especially if your end goal is to be paid more.

 

[Hal]

This thread is for libtards!!!!!!

 

[El Porko Fako]

Because all the big bullies on A&H will make fun of your small peepee and call you a lib.