NoSpiceLife
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There is one single reason you shouldn't be a leftist.
They eat their own.
They eat their own.
why shouldn't I be a leftist?
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Ira the Weatherman
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They definitely come across as particularly vindictive, delusional and dangerous, but this could just be a case of 'the grass is browner on the other side', considering many Yanks think the same about ours.
The UK also has had the worst industrial and labour relations track record in Europe because they pull shit like this. They're lucky as fuck they managed to jump ship to services effectively, because they would be ex-Soviet tier if they hadn't.
Throughout the continent, it ranges from cooperation like that, to just people doing their jobs without much involvement in the company. Semi-socializing all corporations is unnecessary and frankly unwanted, even traditional Socialist parties realize its bad optics to argue for nationalisation of non-essential industries in current year.
The point is more that this issue split the Left in most European countries: moderates strongly advocating Greek austerity to save the Eurobux, and hardliners opposing any notion of it. The austerity option was also by far the most popular among non-Greeks. Had he been a European politician, Bernie's stance on the issue would've alienated him from the Centre-Left and definitely made him unpopular with a huge percentage of the population of nearly any given EU country.
Mixed systems are pretty much the norm outside of the Nordic ones, I think. Even the Brits and French have private options for people who pay/care more for them. Like with the Greek question, fully socializing healthcare in most countries is a defining issue which seperates the Centre- from the Far Left.
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Same with Alternatehistory.com. Very left-leaning. Mods/board owner can be very heavy-handed. If you aren't pretty far left you really have to watch your comments, to the various stories, the topics in their political "chat" and your "private" messages. Mods/board owner can and do look at those, too. Kicks and bans aplenty there, some merited, some not.
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All the reasons why you want to be a leftist, and all the reasons you shouldn't be what we call "leftist" these days, are both the reasons to become a nazbol.
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this world is biased towards right handed people, or rightists as you would say.
MrJokerRager
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Rational wiki told me so it must be true and ED really doesn't like this site looking at their article on this site.
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Rational Wiki was infiltrated by SJWs long ago, and ED hates everybody.
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Manwithn0n0men
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Wasn't Rational Wiki started by SJWs?
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It was started by fedora-tier YouTube skeptics, if I remember correctly. But it was started in response to conservapedia (mainly its hilariously unscientific articles on creationism and such), so I guess you could say it was doomed from the start.
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To re-iterate what a few others have said, there is American "leftism" and proper European hardcore leftism. My politics (at least on economic issues) would be closer to the former, but a very long way from the latter. To quote your examples from the OP:
The idea of a union is good. Having organised labour as a collective counterweight to management should ensure nobody gets screwed. However, what you will often find is that under leftist European administrations, unions (particularly public sector unions or other monopolies) will use their power to effectively extort money from the taxpayer. London Underground tube drivers get £50k a year and ridiculous holiday allowances and time off. They get paid nearly three times what a bus driver gets, work barely half the hours, despite bus driving being a much harder and more stressful job than driving a tube train (that these days literally drive themselves from stop to stop with the push of one button). Why? Because every time the tube drivers feel like getting even more money or longer holidays they hold London hostage until they get it. Because London's buses are run by a variety of different companies, if one company's drivers go on strike it doesn't bring the nation's economic heart to a complete halt.
Or, see France, and what happens whenever someone suggests that workers there ought to, you know, work once in a while or not get pensions that are so over-generous they are bankrupting the state.
Single-payer healthcare good. Massive state health monolith bad. Take a look at the NHS and its awful patient outcomes, filthy, mismanged, debt-ridden hospitals and overworked staff. This is the model most European leftists want, for some reason. And in the UK it's such a political sacred cow that rather than reform it to a more functional mixed-market (but still single-payer) model like those in Portugal, Singapore or Australia (which thrash the NHS in almost every statistic, from fairness to value for money to death rates) politicians here just promise to throw more money at it, which just disappears into a black hole.
An excellent idea, and in Europe a fundamentally right-wing one. Employee share ownership was a core Thatcher policy, and "continuous improvement" was imported from the (decidedly Conservative) Japan. Ask workers in properly left-wing places like China, the USSR or Venezuela how "empowered" they are. For a leftist party to represent "the working class" they have a vested interest in keeping the "working class" as large as possible and not getting ideas above their station. The proles should know their place, no Kulaks here, comrade,
Are you kidding? The Left on both sides of the Atlantic is ALL ABOUT corporate subsidies. In Europe, those subsidies are paid particularly to loss-making primary industries whose employees tend to vote Socialist. See: France (agriculture) and Germany (mining, where the state subsidy for each miner works out at about three times their annual wages, it would be cheaper just to send them home on double pay). In the US, it's through pork-barrel spending and bloated government (especially military) contracts.
In addition, there is an effective subsidy to large corporations in the West because they can cope with regulations better than small companies. Mandatory diversity officers and labrynthine pension and tax regulations are no problem to megacorps with HR, Finance and Legal departments, but a real struggle for two guys trying to run a small auto garage. In France, taking on an employee is so difficult in terms of mandatory pension contributions, working time regulations, Union registration and the fact that you essentially can't fire anyone once you hire them, that it is contributing to unemployment because small businesses can't afford to take on staff. Any attempt to relax these regulations of course leads to strikes, riots etc. that screw over the country's youth by condemning them to either working for a massive, subsidied corporation, the government, or benefits.
The idea of a union is good. Having organised labour as a collective counterweight to management should ensure nobody gets screwed. However, what you will often find is that under leftist European administrations, unions (particularly public sector unions or other monopolies) will use their power to effectively extort money from the taxpayer. London Underground tube drivers get £50k a year and ridiculous holiday allowances and time off. They get paid nearly three times what a bus driver gets, work barely half the hours, despite bus driving being a much harder and more stressful job than driving a tube train (that these days literally drive themselves from stop to stop with the push of one button). Why? Because every time the tube drivers feel like getting even more money or longer holidays they hold London hostage until they get it. Because London's buses are run by a variety of different companies, if one company's drivers go on strike it doesn't bring the nation's economic heart to a complete halt.
Or, see France, and what happens whenever someone suggests that workers there ought to, you know, work once in a while or not get pensions that are so over-generous they are bankrupting the state.
Single-payer healthcare good. Massive state health monolith bad. Take a look at the NHS and its awful patient outcomes, filthy, mismanged, debt-ridden hospitals and overworked staff. This is the model most European leftists want, for some reason. And in the UK it's such a political sacred cow that rather than reform it to a more functional mixed-market (but still single-payer) model like those in Portugal, Singapore or Australia (which thrash the NHS in almost every statistic, from fairness to value for money to death rates) politicians here just promise to throw more money at it, which just disappears into a black hole.
An excellent idea, and in Europe a fundamentally right-wing one. Employee share ownership was a core Thatcher policy, and "continuous improvement" was imported from the (decidedly Conservative) Japan. Ask workers in properly left-wing places like China, the USSR or Venezuela how "empowered" they are. For a leftist party to represent "the working class" they have a vested interest in keeping the "working class" as large as possible and not getting ideas above their station. The proles should know their place, no Kulaks here, comrade,
Are you kidding? The Left on both sides of the Atlantic is ALL ABOUT corporate subsidies. In Europe, those subsidies are paid particularly to loss-making primary industries whose employees tend to vote Socialist. See: France (agriculture) and Germany (mining, where the state subsidy for each miner works out at about three times their annual wages, it would be cheaper just to send them home on double pay). In the US, it's through pork-barrel spending and bloated government (especially military) contracts.
In addition, there is an effective subsidy to large corporations in the West because they can cope with regulations better than small companies. Mandatory diversity officers and labrynthine pension and tax regulations are no problem to megacorps with HR, Finance and Legal departments, but a real struggle for two guys trying to run a small auto garage. In France, taking on an employee is so difficult in terms of mandatory pension contributions, working time regulations, Union registration and the fact that you essentially can't fire anyone once you hire them, that it is contributing to unemployment because small businesses can't afford to take on staff. Any attempt to relax these regulations of course leads to strikes, riots etc. that screw over the country's youth by condemning them to either working for a massive, subsidied corporation, the government, or benefits.
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Its science articles are still decent, at least (like debunking medical woo and and shit like that). The political stuff, I try to avoid.
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As someone who's philosophically on the Left but still appreciates Right Wing faggotry let me just say.. being the bad guy is just cooler. Fuck social programs, fuck the immigrants, fuck women's rights.
I want an ethno state where I'm in charge and I'm allowed to beat people in the streets. I want my own SS uniform. Fuck everyone. I want the US to enslave the world with military strength.
So there ya go. The left is correct but at a primal destructive sadistic way Far Right rhetoric might be appealing.
That's the best argument anyone here could make.
I want an ethno state where I'm in charge and I'm allowed to beat people in the streets. I want my own SS uniform. Fuck everyone. I want the US to enslave the world with military strength.
So there ya go. The left is correct but at a primal destructive sadistic way Far Right rhetoric might be appealing.
That's the best argument anyone here could make.
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Tho it's funny how the National Socialist German Workers' Party of Germany didn't see themselves neither as left-winged or right-winged but declared themselves to be spectral-syncretic.
And to answer OP's question, be whatever the fuck you want. Unless you're a politician who's aiming to join a political party and get into government it honestly doesn't matter what idiology you support.
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I'm late to this discussion, but I would ask: what kind of "leftist" are you? I consider myself on the left, but I describe it as "old fashioned left", because I still hold the beliefs that I did as a younger man, and I came of age in the early 90s.
I support free speech, anti-globalism (because globalisation screws over the working class), not judging people by their ethnicity (yes, there are broad differences across racial groups, but how many people will you ever know that it will affect you?), and oppose religious fundamentalism. These were all left wing values back in the day. The modern "white people are born racist", "you aren't allowed to say that", "special rights for X group", "islam is unquestionable" leftist thought isn't something that I understand (I skipped out on politics for 15 years, and everyone apparently went crazy in the meantime).
I support free speech, anti-globalism (because globalisation screws over the working class), not judging people by their ethnicity (yes, there are broad differences across racial groups, but how many people will you ever know that it will affect you?), and oppose religious fundamentalism. These were all left wing values back in the day. The modern "white people are born racist", "you aren't allowed to say that", "special rights for X group", "islam is unquestionable" leftist thought isn't something that I understand (I skipped out on politics for 15 years, and everyone apparently went crazy in the meantime).
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Because when the Leftists achieve what they've Laboured (see what I did there?) so diligently for, and Western civilization has fallen, your islamist pet hyenas will turn on their leftist useful idiots and denegenerates and faggots who enabled will be stoned to death in stadiums or fired off of minarets .
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Because a persons political opinions are typically more complex than just "Left or Right" and you do yourself a disservice by labelling yourself.
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I used to be a leftist. Why am I not one anymore? Witnessing how reality contradicted my ideology was very disillusioning. I learned the hard way that reality doesn't have any type of ideological bias. Reality is more complicated than any ideologues care to admit.