Why Some People Think 2+2=5 - ...and why they're right.

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Why Some People Think 2+2=5
...and why they're right.


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By Caroline Delbert

  • Former mathematician Kareem Carr says it's important to know what your math is abstracting for you.
  • People are always ready to argue about math on Twitter.
  • Carr applies his math knowledge to study human genetic markers of cancer at Harvard.
Critical armchair mathematicians are having a moment after a thread about the created nature of numbers spread on Twitter.

Kareem Carr, a biostatistics Ph.D. student at Harvard University, says that sharing his ideas about numbers and abstraction to a large audience on Twitter helps him find others who think differently and are excited about connecting theory to reality.

And while some bad-faith critics have flooded his notifications with unkind assumptions, he’s still happy to put his ideas out there.

In his original thread, Carr points out some simple, but provocative truths about the world. “Our numbers, our quantitative measures, are abstractions of real underlying things in the universe and it's important to keep track of this when we use numbers to model the real world,” one tweet reads.

Carr grounds it in the real ways statistical models are being used to harm, for example, marginalized groups across many parameters: “Whenever you create a numerical construct like IQ or an aggression score or a sentiment score, it's important to remember that properties of this score might not mirror the real things being measured.”


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“There's a need for this sort of thinking, because we're basically turning everything into data,” Carr tells Popular Mechanics. “Because we're turning more and more domains into data, it's becoming more and more important. If we're going to be a world that's just in apps, we need to be sure these things are working how we think they work.”

Carr hasn’t said anything really controversial here, unless just saying mathematically nuanced things is inherently controversial on Twitter. The idea that the counting numbers—whole values only, excluding fractions and decimals—are somehow “naturally occurring” is a common fallacy among people who aren’t trained in math or, say, human development.

Babies acquire numbers one at a time and top out at a handful unless their families and teachers introduce larger and continuously countable numbers to them. Some non-human animals demonstrate an ability to “count” up to four or five and are considered exceptional even for this.

There’s also a language assumption at play, what novelist China Mieville has called an “unpersuasive notion of language as a clear pane of glass.” Everything we say and write is mediated through, well, a medium. The same way recorded music necessarily lops off the most extreme highs and lows by nature of technology, the terms we use are approximations that can never be totally true to what we think or feel, what we see, and how the world appears.

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How music is recorded and compressed is a model. Language is a model, mathematics is a model, and troubled metrics like IQ are models, too. It benefits no one—or, perhaps, only the people in power—to pretend they’re universal truths instead of engaging with the consequences of each model.

Carr says he’s always been interested in the interaction between the “pure” mathematics and where those ideas are actually applied—in a sense, the colorful pane of glass we install in order to view math in our lives. “Here's this thing off to the side and it's called math. And over here you have real life, scientific method, and concrete things that are happening in the physical world,” he explains.

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While studying pure math, he grew frustrated by the combination of abstraction and fallible human conclusions—no one’s fault, he says, just a mismatch in interests. So he began working in and studying biostatistics, analyzing genetic sequencing data collected from patients and looking for markers of cancer.

That’s what he’s still doing now, and his exciting thesis, which combines his interests into a very clever answer to a statistical question, will be published next year.
 
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What the fuck is wrong with American schools? Is all Math done on 'natural' numbers and Decimals were tossed out because little Tyrone couldn't comprehend them and wouldn't make the grade?

No wonder Americans buy everything using the credit card, I bet most people can't comprehend the concept of Negative Numbers too so they think that they have a positive net worth thanks to that magical piece of plastic.

What the actual fuck...
 
"i put a rooster and a hen together and later there were three of them so 1+1=3"
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the worst part is that the twatter idiot thinks his dumbfuck babbling is making some kind of deep and sophisticated point
the rooster and the hen example is confusing because you'd also have to count the egg or chick in order to get three which would lead to 1+1+1=3
 
The people who write all this shit, like in OP, can use as many thousands and thousands of words as they want to try to wriggle around objective truth, but it doesn't change truth. They can sneer and look down their nose and call people dumb all they want, but all it is doing is pushing people away.

Put 2 + 2 into a calculator. You get 4.

What these midwits are arguing is 2 + 2 + (some other special conditions), to keep from having to state facts, because now facts are racist.

Why are so many allegedly educated people going out of their way to not state what is true? And how could this not totally erode any trust people have in science if they double down on it?

Let's take this asinine factory example. It has no real grounding in truth. Who the fuck picks up an entire commercial building and moves it an unspecified distance? That's retarded. Why not just sell your half a machine? It is taking up space that could be used for literally anything else. 2.5 also, is not 2. I bet the sort of person who would tell you 2.5 is 2 is the same sort of idiot who would buy half an industrial machine, creating a potential multi-million dollar boondoggle for your business. Sounds like that idiot needs to be out of a job, because any idiot who will lie about basic first grade mathematics to project being a woke ally on twitter is, frankly, a business liability.
 
The fundamental problem with this is that it’s false by omission. If you include all of the relevant details, then it becomes true. But by removing all the context it then become false. In English, much like mathematics, we assume that we are told all the information we need to understand a statement, not less, not more. When someone says the number “2” with no qualifiers we are expected to think of it as the monolithic “2” not as something that can be changed, not as something that might be a stand in for any number of arbitrary items, but the concept of “two-ness”. By acting like these false statements are actually profound it demonstrates an inability to concisely communicate information and attempts to undermine rationality by ignoring the fundamental nature of human communication

1 + 1 =/= 3 and under no circumstances will it

1 man + 1 woman after a year of relations which a child is successfully birthed during does = 3 people
 
I like how gradeschool-level deep thunk moments on twitter are now worthy to be published as news.

They are literally arguing definitions in MATH, a field designed around stable, unarguable definitions. Questioning this shit isn't deep. It isn't taking human knowledge further; it's taking us back to where we were before we even began.
 
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