Why Some People Think 2+2=5 - ...and why they're right.

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Why Some People Think 2+2=5
...and why they're right.


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By Caroline Delbert

  • Former mathematician Kareem Carr says it's important to know what your math is abstracting for you.
  • People are always ready to argue about math on Twitter.
  • Carr applies his math knowledge to study human genetic markers of cancer at Harvard.
Critical armchair mathematicians are having a moment after a thread about the created nature of numbers spread on Twitter.

Kareem Carr, a biostatistics Ph.D. student at Harvard University, says that sharing his ideas about numbers and abstraction to a large audience on Twitter helps him find others who think differently and are excited about connecting theory to reality.

And while some bad-faith critics have flooded his notifications with unkind assumptions, he’s still happy to put his ideas out there.

In his original thread, Carr points out some simple, but provocative truths about the world. “Our numbers, our quantitative measures, are abstractions of real underlying things in the universe and it's important to keep track of this when we use numbers to model the real world,” one tweet reads.

Carr grounds it in the real ways statistical models are being used to harm, for example, marginalized groups across many parameters: “Whenever you create a numerical construct like IQ or an aggression score or a sentiment score, it's important to remember that properties of this score might not mirror the real things being measured.”


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“There's a need for this sort of thinking, because we're basically turning everything into data,” Carr tells Popular Mechanics. “Because we're turning more and more domains into data, it's becoming more and more important. If we're going to be a world that's just in apps, we need to be sure these things are working how we think they work.”

Carr hasn’t said anything really controversial here, unless just saying mathematically nuanced things is inherently controversial on Twitter. The idea that the counting numbers—whole values only, excluding fractions and decimals—are somehow “naturally occurring” is a common fallacy among people who aren’t trained in math or, say, human development.

Babies acquire numbers one at a time and top out at a handful unless their families and teachers introduce larger and continuously countable numbers to them. Some non-human animals demonstrate an ability to “count” up to four or five and are considered exceptional even for this.

There’s also a language assumption at play, what novelist China Mieville has called an “unpersuasive notion of language as a clear pane of glass.” Everything we say and write is mediated through, well, a medium. The same way recorded music necessarily lops off the most extreme highs and lows by nature of technology, the terms we use are approximations that can never be totally true to what we think or feel, what we see, and how the world appears.

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How music is recorded and compressed is a model. Language is a model, mathematics is a model, and troubled metrics like IQ are models, too. It benefits no one—or, perhaps, only the people in power—to pretend they’re universal truths instead of engaging with the consequences of each model.

Carr says he’s always been interested in the interaction between the “pure” mathematics and where those ideas are actually applied—in a sense, the colorful pane of glass we install in order to view math in our lives. “Here's this thing off to the side and it's called math. And over here you have real life, scientific method, and concrete things that are happening in the physical world,” he explains.

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While studying pure math, he grew frustrated by the combination of abstraction and fallible human conclusions—no one’s fault, he says, just a mismatch in interests. So he began working in and studying biostatistics, analyzing genetic sequencing data collected from patients and looking for markers of cancer.

That’s what he’s still doing now, and his exciting thesis, which combines his interests into a very clever answer to a statistical question, will be published next year.
 
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how can people not understand the very basic idea of that scene?
 
:tomgirl:Something something 1984

Yes, but unironically.

George Orwell in 1984 said:
In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable – what then?

I half expected this article to be some faggotry about how math is white supreemist.

Naturally, that's how it started on this occasion. One twitter asshole was arguing that black people should have their own magical ethnomath, and then some other guy was like "how about no." Kareem Karr, who looks like Ainsley Harriot if Joe Biden sucked his soul out, versus James Lindsay, who's stated position was "how about we just teach math." And of course basic white bitches all over twitter have to "pounce" to show their solidarity and throw around accusations of racism.
 
This reminds me of my time in school when we learned different positional systems in math and then the retards who thought they were much smarter than they actually were immediately went around asking something like "What's 5+5?" and when the answer they got was 10 they'd say "NO HAHA STUPID IDIOT IT'S A, I WAS ASKING YOU WHAT 5+5 IS UNDER THE HEXADECIMAL SYSTEM!"
Of course, just like in the big brained math in the article they omitted an important detail in the operations so that when the other side gives the wrong answer they can feel so big brained for telling them that they're wrong.
 
What the fuck is wrong with American schools? Is all Math done on 'natural' numbers and Decimals were tossed out because little Tyrone couldn't comprehend them and wouldn't make the grade?

No wonder Americans buy everything using the credit card, I bet most people can't comprehend the concept of Negative Numbers too so they think that they have a positive net worth thanks to that magical piece of plastic.

What the actual fuck...

Yes. That is the express purpose of the "No Child Left Behind" act under George W. Bush
 
What the fuck is wrong with American schools? Is all Math done on 'natural' numbers and Decimals were tossed out because little Tyrone couldn't comprehend them and wouldn't make the grade?
There was a physics class in my High School that, no joke, used almost no math. It was conceptual physics, or something. The math that they did use included rounding G to 10m/s2. And we didn't even have a Tyrone.
Also, the “left” can not destroy math. Just wait until you tell them about engineering calculations, and watch them grow silent.
This is the great truth. People like to speak for hours about the liberalization of scholastics in the US. But, you really can't liberalize equations and calculation much. So, I never experienced it.
 
James Lindsay wrote a giant article explaining this horse shit since he's been kind of at the center of it.
It's a good article. Dense, but he's being thorough.

I believe the current arguments against it are, 'Oh, that asshole,' and, 'Looks like he's assuming too much bad faith from the people he's arguing with, which isn't fair.' Which, assuming any good intention in this sort of argument is to be giving too much ground.
 
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