Why Some People Think 2+2=5 - ...and why they're right.

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Why Some People Think 2+2=5
...and why they're right.


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By Caroline Delbert

  • Former mathematician Kareem Carr says it's important to know what your math is abstracting for you.
  • People are always ready to argue about math on Twitter.
  • Carr applies his math knowledge to study human genetic markers of cancer at Harvard.
Critical armchair mathematicians are having a moment after a thread about the created nature of numbers spread on Twitter.

Kareem Carr, a biostatistics Ph.D. student at Harvard University, says that sharing his ideas about numbers and abstraction to a large audience on Twitter helps him find others who think differently and are excited about connecting theory to reality.

And while some bad-faith critics have flooded his notifications with unkind assumptions, he’s still happy to put his ideas out there.

In his original thread, Carr points out some simple, but provocative truths about the world. “Our numbers, our quantitative measures, are abstractions of real underlying things in the universe and it's important to keep track of this when we use numbers to model the real world,” one tweet reads.

Carr grounds it in the real ways statistical models are being used to harm, for example, marginalized groups across many parameters: “Whenever you create a numerical construct like IQ or an aggression score or a sentiment score, it's important to remember that properties of this score might not mirror the real things being measured.”


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“There's a need for this sort of thinking, because we're basically turning everything into data,” Carr tells Popular Mechanics. “Because we're turning more and more domains into data, it's becoming more and more important. If we're going to be a world that's just in apps, we need to be sure these things are working how we think they work.”

Carr hasn’t said anything really controversial here, unless just saying mathematically nuanced things is inherently controversial on Twitter. The idea that the counting numbers—whole values only, excluding fractions and decimals—are somehow “naturally occurring” is a common fallacy among people who aren’t trained in math or, say, human development.

Babies acquire numbers one at a time and top out at a handful unless their families and teachers introduce larger and continuously countable numbers to them. Some non-human animals demonstrate an ability to “count” up to four or five and are considered exceptional even for this.

There’s also a language assumption at play, what novelist China Mieville has called an “unpersuasive notion of language as a clear pane of glass.” Everything we say and write is mediated through, well, a medium. The same way recorded music necessarily lops off the most extreme highs and lows by nature of technology, the terms we use are approximations that can never be totally true to what we think or feel, what we see, and how the world appears.

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How music is recorded and compressed is a model. Language is a model, mathematics is a model, and troubled metrics like IQ are models, too. It benefits no one—or, perhaps, only the people in power—to pretend they’re universal truths instead of engaging with the consequences of each model.

Carr says he’s always been interested in the interaction between the “pure” mathematics and where those ideas are actually applied—in a sense, the colorful pane of glass we install in order to view math in our lives. “Here's this thing off to the side and it's called math. And over here you have real life, scientific method, and concrete things that are happening in the physical world,” he explains.

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While studying pure math, he grew frustrated by the combination of abstraction and fallible human conclusions—no one’s fault, he says, just a mismatch in interests. So he began working in and studying biostatistics, analyzing genetic sequencing data collected from patients and looking for markers of cancer.

That’s what he’s still doing now, and his exciting thesis, which combines his interests into a very clever answer to a statistical question, will be published next year.
 
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James Lindsay wrote a giant article explaining this horse shit since he's been kind of at the center of it.
They don't want to mention him since he recently published a book on how academics has failed this hard.

He has an autistic catalog of post modernist stuff at newdiscourses.com if anyone is interested in the particulars. I found the article untangling marxism and post modernism illuminating.
 
Honestly, this just makes me want to play poker with these people.
You could make bank.
I thought you would have learned from Gamergate and libtard journalists that the left doesn't play games they aren't guaranteed to win and are mad that they are even allowed to exist. Poker's day is coming, there's just gayer things to wreck in line first.

Thread theme.

is this the future ZUN intended?
 
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This is about getting people to believe literally anything.
1984 will be denounced as white supremacist material within our lifetimes

Yup. This fool Kareem Carr can babble anything he wants. But he'd be pretty pissed off if the payroll system where he works used his math to issue him a paycheck of $1.57 for two weeks' work. This can never be taken seriously by anyone with a functioning brain. Computers won't do 2+2=5 or any other related bullshit.

Remember reading this passage in the book many years ago. O'Brien makes the distinction between real life, where the stars are billions and billions of kilometers away, and the Party's position that the stars are just points of light a few thousand kilometers away, easily snuffed out.

No. Two plus two are four. Always has been. Always will be. Anything else to the contrary is bullshit. Carr needs to do something useful in life, such as being a jizz mopper at an adult movie place.
 
Yup. This fool Kareem Carr can babble anything he wants. But he'd be pretty pissed off if the payroll system where he works used his math to issue him a paycheck of $1.57 for two weeks' work. This can never be taken seriously by anyone with a functioning brain. Computers won't do 2+2=5 or any other related bullshit.

Remember reading this passage in the book many years ago. O'Brien makes the distinction between real life, where the stars are billions and billions of kilometers away, and the Party's position that the stars are just points of light a few thousand kilometers away, easily snuffed out.

No. Two plus two are four. Always has been. Always will be. Anything else to the contrary is bullshit. Carr needs to do something useful in life, such as being a jizz mopper at an adult movie place.
I'm sure thankful they increased our bug rations to 500 grams last week. Hail Black Brother!
 
Math is a tool for modelling the universe. No mathematical theory can absolutely describe physical phenomena, but in most cases well enough. Even differentiating different rocks from each other is arbitrary, because one can't truly separate them because they continue interacting with each other trough gravitation along with other forces. 2+2=5 isn't very helpful and should be scrapped.
 
Dear Looneybins:
That up there. IS A SONG. Its point was to be CATCHY and FUNNY so as to stick to people so they'd go watch the series and make the creators money.

It was NOT a serious philosophical thesis. You aren't clever for trying to prove it right. You just took it a joke and proven you're autistic by not understanding the punchline.

Numbers, my dear speds. Are ALL, ALWAYS abstractions. That is the good thing of maths. It is not bound by reality, it is a purely logical world we can use to craft models which are bound by real evidence by using its perfectly predictable nature due to the fact that they are, in fact, ABSOLUTE.

This means that by definition 1+1=7 is ABSOLUTELY false. There is no issue there. 1+1, by definition, is 2. 2, by definition, is 2/7 times 7. 2 is by definition not 7. Because maths are bound by definition. Your poor attempts at discrediting current viable mathematic models of describing reality by falaciously attacking the very basis of their foundation is as blatant as it is stupid. You will never succeed in STEM. We beat your kind back in the 90s and we're more than ready for round 2. So at least have the decency of using new arguments this time. Coming unarmed is not a good policy when going to war.
 
I guess Peano's Postulates are racist now, which makes no sense since Giuseppe Peano was italian and therefore not white.
 
If find out where one of these Twitter math retards lives and shoots one of them one time in the head with a Glock 17 that has a fully loaded 17 round magazine how many rounds are left in my gun?
You fool, you will only prove them right by showing that 1-17=0. 1 loaded gun minus 17 bullets equals 0 bullets in the gun, or a gun that is worth "zero" because it's not any use as a gun if it doesn't have any bullets in it.
 
You fool, you will only prove them right by showing that 1-17=0. 1 loaded gun minus 17 bullets equals 0 bullets in the gun, or a gun that is worth "zero" because it's not any use as a gun if it doesn't have any bullets in it.

Reviewing the Twitter thread, I realize now how he can be correct and I wrong.

In fact, I have discovered a new math equation:
1+51=0

Anyone want to see if its correct?
 
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