🐱 Why teens are self-diagnosing

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We were a year into the pandemic when a friend's teenaged daughter announced decisively that she had ADHD and needed medication. Her mother had shared the news with me during an anxious, socially distanced morning walk — along with her private concern that it wasn't the correct diagnosis. The girl, however, was convinced. She'd been researching it online, and she see the need to entertain any other possibilities.

American teenagers and college students are facing a deluge of mental health crisesunprecedented in modern history. Contrasted with the clenched determination of prior generations to never admit when there's a problem, Gen Y's hunger to identify and treat its emotional challenges isn't just understandable, it's pretty commendable. It's vital, however, for them to be able to distinguish between self-labeling and professional help, especially because neither is 100% accurate or effective.

Humans are highly suggestible creatures — as we have all learned from two years of nervously swabbing the insides of our noses. It doesn't negate the reality of what we may be feeling at any moment; it does however create a need to understand that sometimes belief can create or accelerate symptoms that defy diagnosis. And that adolescents, with their developmentally appropriate need for peer group identification and their upwards of seven hours a day spent on social media, are unique.

In a recent post for Banner Behavioral Health Hospital, psychiatrist Dr. Adeola Adelayo noted a striking rise in "physical and verbal tics" in teen girls. "We've seen an explosion of Tourette-like tics in our unit and every single case has been linked with watching countless TikTok videos about people with Tourette syndrome," she said. "These kids don't have Tourette's, but they aren't pretending either. They have a functional movement disorder as a result of stress, and possibly underlying anxiety or depression, which may or may not have been properly diagnosed."

Similarly, a December Wall Street Journal feature explored why "Doctors around the country say they're seeing more teens coming in with self-diagnoses derived from TikTok," including rare mental health issues like borderline-personality disorder and multiple-personality disorder. Evan Lieberman, a Minneapolis clinical social worker, also noted another aspect of the phenomenon. "There seems to be a trend," he said, "of using mental-health diagnoses as a social currency."

When the algorithm rewards even a casual search for information with recommendations for more and more of the same, within a system that is rife with a mix of legitimate and dubious self-described mental health influencers, it can be tricky for anybody to differentiate between what's real and what's the so-called "horoscope effect" of taking generalized information as personal insight. And the fact that the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders — the Bible of psychiatry from which most of our modern terminology springs — is a wildly imperfect, frequently arbitrary documentonly adds to the potential confusion here.

Among professionals, opinions about the convergence of social media and mental health are mixed. Dr. Michael J. McGrath, a psychiatrist and the medical director of the Ohana Luxury Alcohol Rehab in Hawaii, says, "Self-diagnosing a mental health disorder based on social media is a very dangerous trend. Many mental health disorders can lead to fatal outcomes if not diagnosed and treated properly. A person should never use information that they see or read about online to determine if they have a mental health disorder or to determine what treatment they need."

He adds, "It's great that there are online creators who are shining the spotlight on mental health conditions. That is great to raise awareness and reduce the stigma associated with mental health conditions. However, it's vital to regard the information that you see or read as informational only."

But Manhattan psychotherapist Z Cordero points out that access to resources varies incredibly, and notes the "lack of readily available appropriate and inclusive information" for many. "Visits to therapists, psychiatrists, and neurologists take time, money, and transportation access," says Cordero, "all things that teens and college students may not have readily available to them. A lot of mental health providers do not accept insurance, and that number will probably grow. Even if young people have access to all these resources, the professionals that they can work with may not be the right fit for them. Is the young person Black, Indigenous, Queer, Trans? What is the professional's level of cultural awareness around these areas?"

And Dr. Holly Schiff, a doctor and licensed clinical psychologist in Greenwich, Connecticut, advises everyone to be a smart consumer. "Usually the credibility of the source is your first clue to whether the advice will be helpful versus something that has no merit or that could potentially be harmful," she says. "There are some users that are part of a community that actually encourages unhealthy behaviors and they share tips and tricks of how to self-harm and hide it from others, or strategies to maintain your eating disorder and lose weight faster. These are dangerous and harmful and can be triggering for those who come across these posts. If they don't have any credentials or their posts are sponsored or they are partnered with brands and products, I would be wary of any advice they post. Social media is a complex tool that can exacerbate anxiety or promote unhealthy habits, but it also positively contributes significantly to the ongoing dialogue surrounding mental health." She advises, simply, "Don't try everything you see!"

Of course, it's not just teens and college students who are self-diagnosing, and it's not just for mental health or neuro-developmental conditions. I recently attended a medical conference, and one of the biggest frustrations doctors there expressed had to do with adult patients who arrive in their offices certain about both their pre-existing conditions and current complaints, without prior testing or confirmation. We all could use regular reminders that the internet is just a component of information gathering and support, just as providers — and parents — could frequently do a better job of building collaborative, empathetic treatment plans together.

When it comes to talking to our kids, the most important thing is keeping an open mind. If your kid comes to you with a concern or even a strong declaration of apparent fact, start first by taking it seriously. You want to build a trusted team of helpers, not shut down a line of inquiry. When I asked my own teen why she thinks so many teens are self-diagnosing on social media, she told me bluntly, "Because adults don't believe them." That strikes me as incredibly sad — and wildly dangerous.

A full dozen years ago, Dr. Srini Pillay warned in Psychology Today that that "One of the greatest dangers of self-diagnosis in psychological syndromes is that you may miss a medical disease that masquerades as a psychiatric syndrome. Thus, if you have panic disorder, you may miss the diagnosis of hyperthyroidism or an irregular heartbeat. Even more serious is the fact that some brain tumors may present with changes in personality or psychosis or even depression."

In addition to keeping the lines of communication open, we can remind our kids and ourselves that having a word for something is less significant that having a plan for addressing it. Author Sarah Fay recently reminded in a Salon interview, "There isn't a single DSM diagnosis that has an objective measure." And a 2021 Psychology Today feature on the rise of TikTok diagnoses pointed out the need to be mindful of "the central idea of traits and states, with the former being more stable and enduring and the latter a temporary way of being." A teen may be eager to lay claim to an "I am ___" identity without considering the possibility of being more in an "I currently have ____" situation. That doesn't diminish the reality of anxiety or depression or distraction, it simply reframes them as not always chronic or defining.

I don't know if my friend's daughter has ADHD, or even if she ever got a professional diagnosis. Shortly after that conversation, we lost touch. I do know the girl was wise enough to recognize she was struggling with something, to seek information, and that she had enough trust in her parents to talk to them. That's a better start than a lot of kids get. "Social media platforms offer a place for healing and fosters a sense of community, as well as reducing stigma," says Dr. Schiff. But she encourages young people to take the next step and "Tell an adult or talk to their parents. Seeking professional help," she says, "is the first step into figuring out what you are experiencing, and getting yourself on track to feel better."
 
Because we all know that teenagers are at the height of their intellectual abilities as well as emotional maturity and perfectly well educated to properly diagnose themselves with mental illness that requires powerful, addictive medication.

...including rare mental health issues like borderline-personality disorder...

The idiot that wrote this article apparently isn't familiar with BPD. I guarantee every guy here knows at least one person in their life with BPD, or have actually dated one.
 
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No it's because mental illness is the new trading cards, gotta catch em all!
New? When I was a teenager, long long ago, teens were doing the exact same shit. Everyone had OCD if you asked them. I myself am guilty of using OCD as a trendy label during high school. It was pretty much expected to "have" OCD. I don't really know why. Kids are stupid. They were stupid then, they're stupid now, and they'll be stupid tomorrow.

It's really not that fuckin hard to figure out. Pretty much all incoming freshman level psych majors get a similar brief lecture based on "don't spend too much time reading this shit like it's your biography because your mind will fuck with you." And yet you constantly see people start into it and not long after they get their first DSM they're suddenly pointing out quirks about themselves they think line up with such and such disorder.
They call this "psychology student syndrome". It's been recognized for ages. The same thing happens to med school students. You've probably heard the phrase "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing". This is exactly why. They learn just enough to know that these disorders/diseases exist and what the symptoms are, which means they know just enough to see them everywhere they look. Part of learning about these things is powering through this phase and getting into an enlightenment phase, where you know so much about them that you no longer see them everywhere because you know how to differentiate between horses and zebras.

Of course, an inordinate number of doctors and psychologists end up as neurotic wrecks after a while on the job, so enlightenment doesn't last forever I guess.

The idiot that wrote this article apparently isn't familiar with BPD. I guarantee every guy here knows at least one person in their life with BPD, or have actually dated one.
BDP is like psychopathy and pedophilia: hugely underdiagnosed because people who have it want to keep it on the DL. It's basically the psychological explanation for someone being evil, and evil people stick to the shadows where they can do the most harm.
 
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You know yourself better than any doctor.

Yes, you absolutely do! Just ask these people who TOADULLY KNOW THEMSELVES BETTER THAN ANY POOPY DOCTOR:

* Corrissa Enneking and JULIANNA Aprileo
* FatAlbert Lynn
* RYAN "Piggy Toe-Splay" Hooves
* Shitter And Taters Anna O'Brien
* Chantal Sarault
* Jessi Slaughter
* BRADLEY Manning
* Colt Seidman
* Stophie LaBill
* Russell "The Face" Greer

Don't forget: If you don't really rely on cows for a metric, consult traditional County Fair freakshows like Pauline Potter and Stephen Assanti--both Post-Doctoral experts on "Knowing what works for me and my body."
 
How is this established?

I'm thinking it's that they believe it even though it isn't true. But I'm not buying that either. Some TikToker got slammed pretty hard awhile back for faking Tourette's.


The part where she puts the bag on her head and the part where she sticks her dangerhair in boiling hot food still on the stove is gold level material. She's such an obvious fake. And she's not the only one. It's become pretty popular to fake Tourette's for attention. I guarantee these people are not delusional. They think it's just a fun thing to make videos about.

Self diagnosing was pretty bad ten years ago. Tumblr kiddies were self diagnosing autism and getting mad at anyone who told them to see an actual professional.
 
Stuff like this is bad, but as someone who was a teenager before easy access to the internet and way before social media.... I dunno I'm of two minds. On the one hand there's some very creepy predation and social contagion. On the other hand my actual experience in the real world is that

1) kids who get groomed and catch bad issues online are in families that allow it to happen. it's fucked up that it's socially acceptable for those kids to be unsupervised online so much and I would like to see a general cultural push away from that, but what I see irl is that it's not just the internet that is causing these situations, it's the internet + family dynamics.

2) mostly young people are getting good mental health information online and they use it wisely and it helps turn them into happier and more productive people. And it really, really wasn't like that back in the day. But no one is visible online who got better online, because those people go have normal lives. Who we see online are the massive fuckups.

The access that young people have to CBT tools, information about childhood abuse and trauma, and communities of people reflecting their experience back to them is really positive and the contrast between how they experience the world and how me and my friends did is so stark. And so is the contrast between young people I know irl, who use the internet in a really positive way, and lolcows.
 
You want us to diagnose why others are diagnosing? That's pretty funny.
 
I'm thinking it's that they believe it even though it isn't true. But I'm not buying that either. Some TikToker got slammed pretty hard awhile back for faking Tourette's.


The part where she puts the bag on her head and the part where she sticks her dangerhair in boiling hot food still on the stove is gold level material. She's such an obvious fake. And she's not the only one. It's become pretty popular to fake Tourette's for attention. I guarantee these people are not delusional. They think it's just a fun thing to make videos about.

Self diagnosing was pretty bad ten years ago. Tumblr kiddies were self diagnosing autism and getting mad at anyone who told them to see an actual professional.
Yeah, I'm guessing the kids do know they're faking and whoever wrote that article is just wrong in assuming that they don't know. Sometimes when kids claim that they have a disease, they're actually lying.

But let's share some fun tics.



 
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It's tempting to claim ADHD when the reward is free Adderal
 
It's a lot easier to see a pattern than to see why the pattern is wrong, especially when you have no expertise in the field. Throw in some undeserved confidence that comes from being hyper liberal or a teenager and you end up with a jackass that readily will self diagnose themselves with some random mental illness to explain why they don't feel perfect. Which at times ends up super retarded because a popular trend is treating their self-diagnosed problem as to accept as a permanent aspect of themselves that cannot (or shouldn't have to) be changed.

Always reminds me of the way you treat a simple social anxiety, which is to get the person to socialize more. The person may need to be on some anxiety medication to help ease them into it, but the point is to actually get over the shit, not to use the diagnosis as a crutch to avoid ever addressing the core problem.
 
Yes, you absolutely do! Just ask these people who TOADULLY KNOW THEMSELVES BETTER THAN ANY POOPY DOCTOR:

* Corrissa Enneking and JULIANNA Aprileo
* FatAlbert Lynn
* RYAN "Piggy Toe-Splay" Hooves
* Shitter And Taters Anna O'Brien
* Chantal Sarault
* Jessi Slaughter
* BRADLEY Manning
* Colt Seidman
* Stophie LaBill
* Russell "The Face" Greer

Don't forget: If you don't really rely on cows for a metric, consult traditional County Fair freakshows like Pauline Potter and Stephen Assanti--both Post-Doctoral experts on "Knowing what works for me and my body."
Saying that telling people they should be an informed patient and tell a doctor when his diagnosis doesn’t really make sense is the same as telling people to willfully ignore medical advice is a pretty dumb ”hot take”.

but hey, next time you have a collapsed lung and your doctor says you have allergies, feel free to listen. Prove me wrong.
 
Reminds me something I haven't thought about in a long time:

I recall being an little shit in high school in the early 2000s. I wasn't cool, I didn't really have a group or a thing, but I had some friends. We weren't "emo" or "scene" (I predate all that scene faggotry), but we were maybe the prototypical version of that, coming off the wave of Tony Hawk games, late-night Jackass-watching and desperately wanting to be cool like Bam Margera (lol) and rolling off the punk revival of the early 2000s into something more introverted. Dashboard Confessional, AFI, Alexisonfire. Started experimenting with drugs, drinking a bit, making out in the hallways. It was mostly good, but when you're a teenager everything is like the biggest deal in the world and all your emotions are amplified by like 100.

So, one day I decide I'm going to be some angsty little faggot and I scratch some sort of pattern into my forearm with a safety pin. I'm not even breaking the skin; I'm just irritating the area with the pin, but the next day it looks like a nasty scratch.

I walk into school with my Hurley t-shirt, jeans about 4 sizes too big, and Vans shoes the next day, and I'm just desperately hoping someone notices. And sure enough they do: "What happened to your arm?", they ask. I proudly declare "Oh that? That's my depression problem. I'm fine, just got a little overwhelmed."

This girl immediately starts comforting me. "Are you okay?", "do you want to talk about it?", etc. I shake it off, but obviously this chick has a big mouth because I keep getting people coming up to me with sympathetic talk, I'm getting long hugs from hot girls and copping a feel. Basically, I'm getting more attention than I've ever gotten my entire life. I'm not really depressed, but I'm having a pretty great time. Fortunately, I have enough sense to recognize this was stupid, so I never repeated it.

And that is why kids are self-diagnosing; because sympathy and attention are basically like black tar heroin to teenagers. I couldn't differentiate between praise and pity, and neither can they. I can only imagine how much more damaging this thought process would have been if I'd had an instant portal to all the attention and empathy I could have asked for in 15 second long video clip form.
 
Oh, thank goodness their walk was socially distanced. If they didn't mention that crucial fact I would've had a panic attack.
Would you wanted to be spotted less than 6' away from this in public?
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Two thoughts: TEEF. Also nice Forrest Whitaker eye in the last picture.
 
Yeah, I'm guessing the kids do know they're faking and whoever wrote that article is just wrong in assuming that they don't know. Sometimes when kids claim that they have a disease, they're actually lying.

But let's share some fun tics.



I've never heard of SweetAnita until now so I didn't know who she is, but god damn are those videos fake as fuck. Any time "tourette's" manifests as a wacky and zany string of profanity, it's fake. That's just not how it works, at all. And the way she overacts trying to "hold back" the tics, of course failing every time and ending up with something both topical and hilarious (what a coincidence!) doesn't help.

She also made a huge mistake getting a bunch of other fakers together for that second video, where the guy literally flops around when his TOTALLY HILARIOUS AND PERFECTLY TIMED OMG 🤩🤣 tic comes out, as if a tic is a temporary form of demonic possession. That's overacting to a degree you rarely see past the age of ten. The fact that she treated it as real and spontaneous is pretty damning.

The only reason she hasn't been exposed by now is because she's hot, so she has an army of orbiters defending her honor any time anyone dares suggest that randomly blurting out a naughty rhyme might not be a legitimate symptom. Surely one day they'll get a crumb. Surely.
 
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I've never heard of SweetAnita until now so I didn't know who she is, but god damn are those videos fake as fuck. Any time "tourette's" manifests as a wacky and zany string of profanity, it's fake. That's just not how it works, at all. And the way she overacts trying to "hold back" the tics, of course failing every time and ending up with something both topical and hilarious (what a coincidence!) doesn't help.

She also made a huge mistake getting a bunch of other fakers together for that second video, where the guy literally flops around when his TOTALLY HILARIOUS AND PERFECTLY TIMED OMG 🤩🤣 tic comes out, as if a tic is a temporary form of demonic possession. That's overacting to a degree you rarely see past the age of ten. The fact that she treated it as real and spontaneous is pretty damning.

The only reason she hasn't been exposed by now is because she's hot, so she has an army of orbiters defending her honor any time anyone dares suggest that randomly blurting out a naughty rhyme might not be a legitimate symptom. Surely one day they'll get a crumb. Surely.
there is a bunch where it's just random dumb stuff. What you're seeing is a selection where the tics were suddenly funny.

Her personality is pretty shit, but her tics are pretty severe and debilitating. Or rather, it makes her vaguely interesting despite her attitude.
 
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there is a bunch where it's just random dumb stuff
That's actually another tell-tale sign of a faker. New and exciting tics. Most people with tourette's will have maybe one or two vocal tics which are very boring, like making a random meaningless noise or a one-syllable word. Sometimes these change over time, but they're long periods of time. Years, perhaps decades. Transient tics, which are tics that only last a short while, almost invariably consist of grunts or coughs or something else difficult to control because it's so short and sudden.

She apparently has a new tic every day, and half of them consist of full sentences. Again, not how the disease works, but it is how it works with fakers, every time. They always have a very algorithm-friendly cycle of new tics to keep viewers engaged. And they just so happen to make great clips! What a blessing to have a disease that does nothing but increase audience engagement.

The only "exception", which isn't really an exception at all, is echolalia, which is repeating what others say. That's going to be different every time, but it's also not different. It's the same tic, it just takes different forms.
 
That's actually another tell-tale sign of a faker. New and exciting tics. Most people with tourette's will have maybe one or two vocal tics which are very boring, like making a random meaningless noise or a one-syllable word. Sometimes these change over time, but they're long periods of time. Years, perhaps decades. Transient tics, which are tics that only last a short while, almost invariably consist of grunts or coughs or something else difficult to control because it's so short and sudden.

She apparently has a new tic every day, and half of them consist of full sentences. Again, not how the disease works, but it is how it works with fakers, every time. They always have a very algorithm-friendly cycle of new tics to keep viewers engaged. And they just so happen to make great clips! What a blessing to have a disease that does nothing but increase audience engagement.

The only "exception", which isn't really an exception at all, is echolalia, which is repeating what others say. That's going to be different every time, but it's also not different. It's the same tic, it just takes different forms.
"new and exciting".

That's not what I said.

"most people"

emphasis most. Coprolalia does exist for tourette, not sure why that needs to be pointed out.

"And they just so happen to make great clips!"

There's like 3 or 4 good clips in roughly 5 years of content.

She nearly got removed too for breaking TOS, and had to fight for it because she can't control it, so not sure if that's "algorithm friendly", but I do agree that it would be a perfect excuse to create unique content if someone fakes convincingly.

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I'm not opposed to the idea that people fake it or that she's faking it. People will do anything for clout and it takes some grift to soar to the top. But if she is faking, she's a pretty good actor with how many clips there are where it is really debilitating what she's trying to say or do.

Though on the other hand, she once got banned for saying "I am a nigger" and hasn't said it again after, which would point to faking. I still don't think so, but it's possible.

How are you judging that tourette can not present as full sentences? I'd like to know if you know more about this than I do or are talking out of your ass.


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edit: I've thought about it a little more. And I kinda get the feeling that people with expertise on it would see through it (like in a video like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdNqQoMxCs )
 
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