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Why women would prefer to be alone in the woods with a bear than a man​

Would you rather find yourself alone in the woods with a bear or a man? This is the question currently dividing social media. Based on the responses online, it looks like most women answering the question say they would choose the bear, a decision that is shocking many men.

The reactions show some men don’t understand women’s experiences. The assertion that women would prefer to encounter a bear is based on evidence about the rate of male violence against women, and on a lifetime of learning to fear and anticipate this violence. This is especially true of sexual violence, something which would not be associated with encountering a bear.

According to the World Health Organization, one in three women – around 736 million globally – will have experienced sexual or physical violence by an intimate partner or sexual violence from a non-partner in their lifetime. This figure has largely remained unchanged over the past decade.

Being attacked by a bear is much less common, with only 664 attacks worldwideover 15 years, and very few fatal attacks. And bears tend to avoid humans, attacking only when provoked or protecting their young.


This is not about generalising or fearing all men. Women know that not all men are dangerous. But women don’t know which men they should fear, only that male violence and male entitlement to women’s bodies is something that they have to be on guard for.

Women are commonly victims of sexualised violence, and men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators (including against other men). There are enough men who have hurt or are capable of hurting women, and women have no way of knowing which ones these are. While much violence against women comes from men they know, the risk of danger from men they don’t know is something that informs their day-to-day lives.

For example, research shows that women change their behaviour – making certain decisions about the routes they take or what they wear – to avoid harassment or abuse from men in public. Scholars such as Fiona Vera-Gray refer to this as safety work.

Women’s view of men is also coloured by their non-violent actions that harm women. Clearly, bears also do not contribute to or uphold systemic sexism and misogyny, but most men do.

My research on misogynistic online groups has explored how men engage in acts against women that reinforce gender inequality.

Writer Emma Pitman has described this phenomenon using the analogy of a human pyramid. The choices of some men to stay silent about abuse is the base of the pyramid, holding up other men who engage in misogynistic jokes or commit violence.

The overall effect, whether deliberate or via ignorance or indifference, is to normalise and support the actions of male sexual predators and domestic abuse perpetrators.

This culture props up the men who are silent bystanders, observing sexism, harassment or abuse but doing nothing, the men who make or laugh along with the sexist or rape jokes, those who are rape apologists and blame women for their sexual victimisation, those who become aggressive when women turn them down, those who stalk, control and abuse women, and those who are rapists, sexual harassers and murderers. This continuum of misogyny is women’s everyday reality – and at no point do bears feature.

Men on the defensive​

Men are generally surprised, defensive even, when the subject of male violence against women is discussed. This is often where people invoke the response “not all men”.

When women took to social media to express their anger and devastation following the murder of Sarah Everard by a police officer in 2021, #NotAllMen trended online. Meanwhile, police advised womennot to walk alone at night, placing the burden of avoiding violence on women.

This conversation is about privilege, and not recognising it. Many men are able to move through their daily lives not being worried that they are going to be attacked or raped, can walk alone late at night without taking any safety precautions or even not having such thoughts cross their minds, and do not feel their hearts beat faster if they hear footsteps behind them. It may not be all men, but it is all women, who live smaller lives because of the threat of some men’s violence.

These discussions are an opportunity for men to understand women’s genuine fears and to be part of the solution rather than the problem.
 
I wanted to analyze this rationally. That means finding out how many woman-bear encounters end unfavorably for the woman, and how many woman-man encounters end unfavorably for the woman. I don't have data on the number of woman-bear encounters there are every year, although most sources indicate they are increasing. Here's a few case studies to illustrate the possible outcomes of the woman-bear encounter:


What about woman-man encounters? In the US, there were about 5,000 women killed by another person in 2021. That includes negligent homicide, which probably wouldn't occur in the woods, but we'll keep it in. I have no idea how many man-woman encounters there were. Let's say there are about 168 million women (we're overcounting by including children) and each one encounters one man every day (an absurd underestimate). So about 0.003% of man-woman encounters would end in the woman being dead. But remember, this is an absurdly high overestimate. The real number is almost certainly orders of magnitude lower.

There are so many unknowns involved, this kind of analysis is completely useless. I just wanted an excuse to post stories about bears eating people.

Absolutely zero responsibility about "maybe you shouldn't attack someone who is very obviously physically bigger, strong, and capable of much more violence than you."
I struck out the extraneous parts. No one should be attacking anyone. If you attack someone bigger and stronger than you, they should hit you until you stop attacking them. If you attack someone smaller or weaker than you, they should shoot you. If you attack someone who is defenseless, the police should shoot you (but probably won't).

@Kheapathic...agreed and just wanted to add that women use proxy violence (the government, other people, etc to level the plating field.

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Have read a lot of DV reports. In many cases--I would not say the majority, but a significant number--the woman initiates the violence, calls the police, then expresses shock when the man is arrested. They just wanted the police to talk to him, they say, to calm things down. They don't seem to understand that the police arrest people for crimes, and they have accused someone of a crime. This all ties in to the depolicing/call a social worker thing somehow.
 
Whole thing is just a giant shit test and the dudes playing along with it are who's really failing.
All you gotta do is take them for their word and enforce the consequences of what they're saying. If it is true that modern women are so fucking in danger from some random unknown modern man, then they are in extreme risk of very serious bodily harm and need to get the fuck out (to the mountains, innawoods, some kind of more "just society", wherever that may be). Completely serious. If what they say is true, they don't really have a choice. This is apocalyptic levels of violence and harm and they are in serious danger.

But they don't act like that, because they know its bullshit. They know they're not going to get raped going to some random bar. Jogging alone in a park with their headphones in. Walking to their car with groceries or filling up at a gas station. They know that, which is why they continue to do those things. If these situations were as incredibly, Sodom and Gomorrah level of violence and inherent danger as they say, they would at minimum demand to stay the fuck home where they can reliably barricade and hide themselves, if not do the above and leave entirely.

So no. Call this bullshit out. Go live with the bear then. You are in incredible danger, what the fuck are you doing still being here? Go, lets find a good hideaway spot for you right now before the rape gangs find you.

Side note: yeah its also the dudes that they deem willing to listen to this bullshit in the first place who hear about it. They're not bitching about this to actual rapists, or people from rapist countries like India. They're tearing into white men again for the millionth fucking time.
 
They're not bitching about this to actual rapists, or people from rapist countries like India. They're tearing into white men again for the millionth fucking time.
This is basically the part that makes everyone involved retarded. The women are retarded because they're clearly just bitching, and the men are retarded for not noticing this and immediately leaving the conversation. I'd actually go so far as to say you shouldn't even do the "okay well let's get you safe" thing, just fucking ignore the women who are engaging in this retardation. If they get pissy, call them fat. They're not worth the mental energy, clearly, they're just being contentious for attention.
 
Trick question. These women wouldn't be choosing bear if they were told which kind of bear was involved:
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Still want to be in the woods with the bear ladies?
 
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I don't dispute that at all, the last I really read up (I was really into dv stats back then) on it admittedly years ago it about neck and neck with the just talk to him and this is how I'm gonna hurt him and/or using improv weapons. It might of changed somewhat over the years, but I'm an old fag IRL and time has passed since I really was asked to follow it.
 
These girls are just saying what's expected, the 'easy current day answer'. They should've asked if it was a black guy vs a bear, they'd all said the black guy cause the stupid and insane answer is what society demands now.
 
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Next you'll say you wanna have a meaningful relationship with a woman, what are you gay?!
I would have to be to have a relationship with a woman!

I want to repeat what I started with

if you go in the woods (except apparently not in Africa)

you already know there's a bear

there's always a bear in the woods

the bear isn't gonna bother you

sometimes the bear comes into town and eats garbage

everyone on this thread who thinks bears are murder monsters needs to go outside more
 
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