Why would God allow suffering to exist?

[xXx: State of the Union]

So suffering exists because God is clumsy? Omnipotence and feasibility are not compatible ideas - if you're omnipotent, everything is feasible by definition.

You only view him as omnipotent in relation to yourselves and what you are told by others like yourselves.

To an ant, you are omnipotent. But how could you end their day to day suffering?

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

To an ant, you are omnipotent. But how could you end their day to day suffering?

So God isn't actually omnipotent? He's big and strong compared to humans, but not especially knowledgeable or capable?

You're positing a really weird kind of God here. Certainly any Abrahamic religion would consider it heretical.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

So God isn't actually omnipotent? He's big and strong compared to humans, but not especially knowledgeable or capable?

You're positing a really weird kind of God here. Certainly any Abrahamic religion would consider it heretical.

As someone who doesn't believe in a creator, why do you care whether or not I'm following Abrahamic convention?

Is God only legitimate if it's the Abrahamic Yaweh/Allah?

But I'm saying that God is ominpotent on a level you may not understand. Just because God can make anything happen doesn't mean it will happen in a way convenient to you.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

As someone who doesn't believe in a creator, why do you care if I'm following Abrahamic convention?

The problem of evil is a contradiction specific to an omnipotent God, usually in the Abrahamic tradition. If you're positing a non-omnipotent god in some kind of pagan pantheon or whatever, it doesn't apply.

Just because God can make anything happen doesn't mean it will happen in a way convenient to you.

You said it wasn't feasible for him, not that he just didn't want to do it. Though the latter also causes a logical contradiction with the omnibenevolent aspect of God.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

The problem of evil is a contradiction specific to an omnipotent God, usually in the Abrahamic tradition. If you're positing a non-omnipotent god in some kind of pagan pantheon or whatever, it doesn't apply.

Once again, just because God can do anything doesn't mean it would or should be convenient for you. All powerful and "able to do anything" doesn't necessarily mean it's easy or worth the effort.

But that's just a possible answer to why suffering is allowed. I'm more partial to the belief that it's simply part of the plan.

 

[Neodanthril]

The Greeks and Romans discussed this shit millennia ago. Is this God beholden to the laws of reality, or in control of them? If the former, then he can't be omnipotent. If the latter, then he wants suffering to happen. An omnipotent God could forge a reality in which free will exists without suffering and other things. If an omnipotent God created this world, then he created us to suffer.

So suffering exists because God is clumsy? Omnipotence and feasibility are not compatible ideas - if you're omnipotent, everything is feasible by definition.

He is all-powerful and all-knowing, so does he not know a better way to make mankind believe rather than make people suffer?

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

@Agreeably4263

"Mummy" is not omnipotent, omniscient, or omnibenevolent, which is the very crux of the problem of evil, you fucking tard.

 

[eDove]

I think some people feel better about disobeying God if they can convince themselves he's evil for allowing humanity to reap what it sows.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

Keep fellating the psychopathic projection of pathetic desert dwellers, @Agreeably4263.

 

[Brightstar777]

Keep fellating the psychopathic projection of pathetic desert dwellers, @Agreeably4263.

you are pathetic

 

[lamppost]

Watching your home burn to the ground with your children inside builds charecter.

 

[Brightstar777]

Watching your home burn to the ground with your children inside builds charecter.

that's misleading prescriptive and meant for bad reasons
enjoy our suffering worm

 

[KingCoelacanth]

His chosen people are kikes, that should explain God's mentality

 

[Brightstar777]

His chosen people are kikes, that should explain God's mentality

They are not chosen any more

 

[lamppost]

that's misleading prescriptive and meant for bad reasons
enjoy our suffering worm

The issue with your questions are that they reveal what is obvious, that nobody has any actual clue what they're talking about, hence this thread being a collection of completely random 'pearls of wisdom' that people are pulling from their arse as it sounds good.

I think religion is a great thing for many people, life is hard and you need something to believe in, hence I usually have no interest in questioning or prodding Catholics as their belief is their cure, and however they justify it is personal to them.

 

[Brightstar777]

The issue with your questions are that they reveal what is obvious, that nobody has any actual clue what they're talking about, hence this thread being a collection of completely random 'pearls of wisdom' that people are pulling from their arse as it sounds good.

I think religion is a great thing for many people, life is hard and you need something to believe in, hence I usually have no interest in questioning or prodding Catholics as their belief is their cure, and however they justify it is personal to them.

That is looking good, they are not so obvious for most people we want to regain the consciousness of god if they are obvious i wouldn't ask them

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

You said it wasn't feasible for him, not that he just didn't want to do it.

No I didn't. You want God to do what you want your way, and I'm arguing that for him to do it it would be in a way that you don't like.

You're confusing "can do anything" with "can do anything the way you want"

Though the latter also causes a logical contradiction with the omnibenevolent aspect of God.

So are you arguing God doesn't exist, or that people are just wrong about God?

What makes humanity so special that they should get special treatment? Because humans say it?

God not doing what you want or the way you want it doesn't prove he doesn't exist or that he is "evil" just as me providing possible answers or explanations doesn't prove he exists or is "good".

You've said my answers may be heretical, but why should I care what humans think in the face of God?

 

[Harrison Temple]

You silly billy. Suffering is innate to unmet desire just as evil exists because of the lack of good. Don't you retards read Thomas Aquinas?

Have you even read Aquinas?! But you are right, fr fr.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

God not doing what you want or the way you want it doesn't prove he doesn't exist or that he is "evil"

If millions of babies dying of cancer is an integral part of your "plan", you're evil - that is the most quintessentially supervillain-ish thing I can possibly imagine.

 

[Tornado]

Michel Rene Barnes has a good article on this, relating it to the question of creatio ex nihilo and how the good wrought from evil is analogous to the being wrought from non-being.