Why would God allow suffering to exist?

Problematic User Forever said:
But she has the money.

Why won't mommy buy me the chocolate?
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This is genuinely the most retarded shit I've ever read, honestly, just go to church and live your life how you please, justify existance in any way that satisfies your own mind, but trying to justify it to others with this completely inane horseshit doesn't do you, or your religion any favours.

Why your mother doesn't buy you chocolate could be one of a variety of reasons, your BMI health, your teeth, you might act like a hyperactive twat after too much sugar, she might be trying to teach you the value of money etc. What "mommy" wouldn't do, unless she was absolutely insane, is give you a degenerative auto-immune illness and kill you before your 12th birthday.
 
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lamppost said:
This is genuinely the most retarded shit I've ever read, honestly, just go to church and live your life how you please, justify existance in any way that satisfies your own mind, but trying to justify it to others with this completely inane horseshit doesn't do you, or your religion any favours.

Why your mother doesn't buy you chocolate could be one of a variety of reasons, your BMI health, your teeth, you might act like a hyperactive twat after too much sugar, she might be trying to teach you the value of money etc. What "mommy" wouldn't do, unless she was absolutely insane, is give you a degenerative auto-immune illness and kill you before your 12th birthday.
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blasphemy
 
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lamppost said:
This is genuinely the most retarded shit I've ever read, honestly, just go to church and live your life how you please, justify existance in any way that satisfies your own mind, but trying to justify it to others with this completely inane horseshit doesn't do you, or your religion any favours.
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It's cute how you come here and are like "just live you're life!" like some type of victim when your type are the ones always bothering believers and asking philosophical questions expecting logical answers in an attempt to get a rise out of people just living their lives. It doesn't do you or your "enlightened" brethren any favors.

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Why your mother doesn't buy you chocolate could be one of a variety of reasons
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It's like your "rational" brain is on the cusp of getting it, but you're so hard wired to not think philosophically that you default to just being pissed off at the idea that there might be something out there you can't understand or comprehend.

I thank God that so many of you have been blessed with lives that allow you to hate God on behalf of others/events you create in your head, and I will pray that your lives will continue to be blessed in the future.
 
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Problematic User Forever said:
It's cute how you come here and are like "just live you're life!" like some type of victim when your type are the ones always bothering believers and asking philosophical questions expecting logical answers in an attempt to get a rise out of people just living their lives. It doesn't do you or your "enlightened" brethren any favors.


It's like your "rational" brain is on the cusp of getting it, but you're so hard wired to not think philosophically that you default to just being pissed off at the idea that there might be something out there you can't understand or comprehend.

I thank God that so many of you have been blessed with lives that allow you to hate God on behalf of others/events you create in your head, and I will pray that your lives will continue to be blessed in the future.
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Victim? What are you talking about? I never asked a philosophical question? Are you actually retarded?

When have I said I hate god? Or even that I don't believe in one? Or am not spiritual? All I've said is that your post was retarded because it was. It makes no sense.

It was just shit, think or something better.
 
Otterly said:
But we know all this when we play a game and we still play it. There is no challenge in an initial starting setup of perfection. I believe we do have free will, which implies that this specific creation has limits set upon it - but it doesn’t imply God has limits.
If the setup is that we are simply ‘run through scenarios’ that we don’t know the outcome of but feel like we do and God does then that works too - it implies we are created and tempered. For what purpose? I dont know.
We can’t know either way - is there any experiment that would prove or disprove we have free will, I wonder?
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There are two parts to this.

Can there be a good who sets things in motion in a way we do not understand? YES!.
Is the Abrahamic interpretation of God real? NO!.

We have to split these two concepts as they muddy the waters. One thing is the unknown nebulous thing we can not understand, and the other is defined by holy texts of how this god acts, and that is where the problems start.
 
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Mommy isn't omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, which is central to the issue. We've been over this already.
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I think it’s a good analogy. She is, for that specific scenario. She has the power to enact the chocolate or not and she has the awareness to know whether it’s a good idea or not.
I could coddle my kids through life and make sure that they never face adversity until they leave home or even never leave home. That would not let them grow into well rounded capable adults though.
⋖ cørdion ⋗ said:
"Why do god give us more kibble than wets, if wets are better? :( "
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This sums it up perfectly.
And we can no more guess God’s motivation than my cat can guess why he didn’t get the yummy tuna can this morning.
Bird thoughts, basically.
What we can do is try to alleviate suffering. We should not stand by and let preventable suffering happen.

Help your neighbour. Adopt that cat. Donate to the hurricane relief. Try to cure that kids cancer. Do what you can. That’s all you can do.
 
Otterly said:
I think it’s a good analogy. She is, for that specific scenario. She has the power to enact the chocolate or not and she has the awareness to know whether it’s a good idea or not.
I could coddle my kids through life and make sure that they never face adversity until they leave home or even never leave home. That would not let them grow into well rounded capable adults though.
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She's absolutely not for that specific scenario. For that to be a valid analogy, she'd have to also be in absolute control of the entire world, including all the consequences of eating chocolate and every second of adversity her children ever face. If you prepare your children for the adversity they will inevitably face and you cannot control, that's being a responsible parent. If you intentionally create all the adversity they will ever face, you're a fucking psycho.

I don't understand this weird intuitive understanding of omnipotence so many people have where it's like marginally more capable than the average adult with some magic thrown in, like a Gandalf-type figure. I assure you it's far more comprehensive than than - it's omnipotence.
 
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I should add something to this conversation: I don't mind worshipping an evil and psychopathic god, since this is the only reasonable approach to an omnipotent and omniscient being, but I'm not going to worship one that doesn't even exist. Yahweh clearly doesn't exist. He reveals himself in no meaningful ways, and is content to let his followers be brutally murdered, except when he's not. A real god must show himself before demanding worship, and that's something Yahweh hasn't done in over two millennia, going by his own texts.
 
I like the UNSONG explanation, where He created every possible universe that will eventually end with more good than evil.
 
Why did God create darkness? Why can't there be light always?

OP did you not notice this world is full of dualities and that without suffering there could be no happiness? Remove God from the question and the question becomes more absurd
 
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I could coddle my kids through life and make sure that they never face adversity until they leave home or even never leave home. That would not let them grow into well rounded capable adults though.
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Indeed, it would probably just make them Marxists, or Lolicons.
 
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