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Is the Second United States Circuit going to be where the Second Amendment goes to die? We ask because two cases are going to come before the circuit riders early next year asking whether New Yorkers have what the Constitution — in some of its plainest language — calls the right not only to keep but also to bear arms. Two cases, on the Empire State’s law abridging these rights, will go before panels of the 2nd Circuit as early as January.

This is shaping up as a test of whether the appellate courts will tolerate defiance of the Supreme Court by New York Democrats. The cases arose in response to legislation signed by Governor Hochul July 1. That was after the landmark vindication of the Second Amendment in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. That ruling struck down New York’s restrictive gun permit policies, only to have Democrats issue a new raft of restrictions.

As we had anticipated, New York Democrats tried to exploit a possible ambiguity in the Bruen ruling over “sensitive places” where gun-carrying rights can be constitutionally limited. Justice Thomas’ ruling observed that schools, polling places, and courthouses were historically places where “weapons were altogether prohibited,” and so “modern regulations” limiting guns in such “sensitive places are constitutionally permissible.”

That said, Justice Thomas warned against going too far. New York couldn’t, for example, make “the island of Manhattan” a “sensitive place.” The Democrats ignored this warning. The list of sensitive places they created covers vast swaths of the state, the AP says, including “places where people have gathered for public protests,” as well as places of worship, libraries, parks, the transit system — and a mockingly expanded definition of Times Square.

The Democrats also imposed a new set of requirements on New Yorkers who seek a permit to bear a firearm. The old law, struck down by Bruen, forced residents to prove “proper cause” to get permission to carry a gun. Now, residents are required to show they have “good moral character,” undergo extensive training, and turn over to state investigators their social media account details. Are such steps required to exercise any other civil liberty?

Efforts of the Democrats to defy Bruen are on a par with the “massive resistance” across the South to the Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education ruling ordering the integration of public schools. New York’s Second Amendment advocates took to the courts. Two federal district judges — Glenn Suddaby at Syracuse and John Sinatra at Buffalo — have struck down parts of the Democrats’ new gun law as unconstitutional.

Following Justice Thomas’ reasoning in Bruen, Judges Suddaby and Sinatra sought to find historical precedent for the restrictions in the Democrats’ law. The regulations were found wanting. There was no example in the historical record, Judge Suddaby observed, for turning an entire neighborhood, like Times Square, into a “gun-free zone.” Even the New York Times saw that the enlarged boundary “defies both common sense and lived experience.”

Judge Sinatra took aim at the new law’s ban on guns in houses of worship. New York offered 19th-century examples. Judge Sinatra called them “outliers,” finding the ban “inconsistent with the Nation’s historical traditions,” and “infringing on the right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.” He also balked at the state’s effort to exclude guns from, say, stores, unless they put up a sign saying guns are permitted.
Judge Suddaby groused that the hastily written law was “a wish list of exercise-inhibiting restrictions glued together by a severability clause.” We imagined, when New York appealed to the riders of the Second Circuit, the lower court rulings honoring the Bruen ruling would be speedily vindicated. Yet both rulings have been put on hold by the riders pending full arguments in the cases. It doesn’t bode well for the Second Amendment in New York.
 
No. No court in NY has the legal authority to tell people they can't enforce their rights under the second amendment. That is the entire point of having a constitution. Hell the supreme court itself can't tell you that
Considering how much the 2nd Amendment has been cut down, I don't think the Constitution is considered much more than a suggestion by the government these days. There's nothing in the Constitution preventing you from owning a machine gun, that's entirely the National Firearms Act, which should be considered totally unconstitutional, but somehow isn't.
 
The second amendment is never going away the govt would have to get rid of its constitution to do it. It's something that no modern nation would ever implement constitutionally as it's really inconvenient for anyone in charge to deal with. I only see the USA getting rid of its existing constitution due to civil war. They'd also very likely get rid of the first as well and just make it a series of very vague amendments claiming you have "free speech" but that the govt can pass laws limiting it if it wants to similar to some other countries like the UK and Canada.

It's very similar to the Electoral College which is also never going away. The Electoral College is virtually impossible to get rid of as you'd need to convince over half of the country give up its voting privileges in exchange for just hoping the major population centers listen to them later when they vote for the next government.
Considering how much the 2nd Amendment has been cut down, I don't think the Constitution is considered much more than a suggestion by the government these days. There's nothing in the Constitution preventing you from owning a machine gun, that's entirely the National Firearms Act, which should be considered totally unconstitutional, but somehow isn't.
Generally speaking the government makes exceptions in some narrow examples like the famous "fire in a crowded theater" example. Most people are perfectly fine with the "no guns in a courtroom or a school" laws for example as there's no logical reason to have them there. However a surprising amount of things are legal entirely because the government doesn't care enough to legislate them. Like Joe Biden recently stated that when the constitution was drafted you weren't allowed to own a cannon. But that has never been the case. In-fact you can still legally own a working cannon today.
 
Considering how much the 2nd Amendment has been cut down, I don't think the Constitution is considered much more than a suggestion by the government these days. There's nothing in the Constitution preventing you from owning a machine gun, that's entirely the National Firearms Act, which should be considered totally unconstitutional, but somehow isn't.
That was before Bruen, when the government had in it's quiver of excuses the "compelling interest in public safety" interpretation, now that that's gone, it may take some time, but, essentially every gun regulation from the modern era will fall.

Other courts have already held that in the wake of Bruen, mag and accessory bans on guns are Unconstitutional, if one state bucks the trend, that doesn't mean the other 90% falls in line with it, IT must fall in line with the other 90% as consistency is a thing under the 5th Amendment (through cruel and unusual punishment) and if they want to be pig headed and force this to the top? They'll lose.

I agree the current antigun states are trying to keep these Unconstititoinal laws in a holding pattern above until the USSC reverses itself, but this is ignorance and optimism (or rather just hubris) beyond belief, it took 45 years almost for Roe to be reversed, the current lefty zeitgeist that it will only take 45 months at most for the USSC to backtrack on an Amendment vs. a favorable interpretation of an oft-abused one to force states to create new law? Not happening.

Don't let this stuff doompill you.

They can't juggle for 40 years.

And yes, the laws are technically on the books, but, no single person will ever be convicted and punished under any of them because their shelf life before stayed by legal action is shorter than the time it takes to adjudicate a case under them.

It's all just a waste of the left's inkwells, padded out by their tears, in the long run.

And showing how ignorant these people are of their own government, own law and own HISTORY.

Vis-a-vis Biden and cannons? For example?

The first shots of the Revolution were fired on British Troops trying to confiscate the local militia's supply of shot and powder - for muskets and CANNON - which had been legal beforehand.
 
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That said, Justice Thomas warned against going too far. New York couldn’t, for example, make “the island of Manhattan” a “sensitive place.” The Democrats ignored this warning. The list of sensitive places they created covers vast swaths of the state, the AP says, including “places where people have gathered for public protests,” as well as places of worship, libraries, parks, the transit system — and a mockingly expanded definition of Times Square.
"I'm not touching you!" is not a legislative philosophy, it's just being a spiteful twat in need of a backhanded slap.
 
That was before Bruen, when the government had in it's quiver of excuses the "compelling interest in public safety" interpretation, now that that's gone, it may take some time, but, essentially every gun regulation from the modern era will fall.

Other courts have already held that in the wake of Bruen, mag and accessory bans on guns are Unconstitutional, if one state bucks the trend, that doesn't mean the other 90% falls in line with it, IT must fall in line with the other 90% as consistency is a thing under the 5th Amendment (through cruel and unusual punishment) and if they want to be pig headed and force this to the top? They'll lose.

I agree the current antigun states are trying to keep these Unconstititoinal laws in a holding pattern above until the USSC reverses itself, but this is ignorance and optimism (or rather just hubris) beyond belief, it took 45 years almost for Roe to be reversed, the current lefty zeitgeist that it will only take 45 months at most for the USSC to backtrack on an Amendment vs. a favorable interpretation of an oft-abused one to force states to create new law? Not happening.

Don't let this stuff doompill you.

They can't juggle for 40 years.

And yes, the laws are technically on the books, but, no single person will ever be convicted and punished under any of them because their shelf life before stayed by legal action is shorter than the time it takes to adjudicate a case under them.

It's all just a waste of lefty's inkwells in the long run.

And showing how ignorant these people are of their own government, own law and own HISTORY.

Vis-a-vis Biden and cannons? For example?

The first shots of the Revolution were fired on British Troops trying to confiscate the local militia's supply of shot and powder - for muskets and CANNON - which had been legal beforehand.
Basically this. The Bruen Decision skull-fucked modern gun-control and the precedent established by that decision will keep the grabboids at bay for the next 20 years at least.
 
now that that's gone, it may take some time, but, essentially every gun regulation from the modern era will fall.
Define "modern era" pls? This one remembers the second is about arms not guns. I just want a Carl Gustaf...
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...for plinking.
 
The Bill of Rights and U.S. Constitution applied to the United States that was prior to the American Civil War. Not the United States after the American Civil War Fed Government now being the only top dog. And have been hell bent on the plebiscite not being armed or knowing their rights to have another round of heavily armed civil disobedience against it.
 
Generally speaking the government makes exceptions in some narrow examples like the famous "fire in a crowded theater" example.
God, I wish people would stop using this.
  1. It was dicta.
  2. It was a case that's been overturned for half a century.
  3. The analogy was used to justify imprisoning people who voiced dissent against the US entering WWI.
  4. Holmes was a faggot cuck.
It's an affront to the foundational principles of the United States. We should all spit on that analogy, not use it as the go-to example of reasonable limitation on free speech.
 
Basically this. The Bruen Decision skull-fucked modern gun-control and the precedent established by that decision will keep the grabboids at bay for the next 20 years at least.
I agree. They will just lawfare gun and bullet manufacturers instead. (((Finance))) will also start squeezing too like they’ve threatened.
 
Don't forget the true purpose of the amendment. If they ever try to take it away from you, remember why you have it in the first place.
I have realized this is a very American opinion. Apparently, their was a famous Australian or Canadian gun channel and the channel went on hiatus with all videos removed due to him suggesting he would use his gun in defense / defenCe if the opportunity arose.

The response to this opinion was to have their firearms certificate suspended pending investigation. The result were a bunch of the Commonwealth gun owners pondering if the content creator firearms certificate suspension was justified.

In comes me reading the story as an Amerimutt and I said the guy was wrong in that the reason to own a firearm was to kill politicians if they became a tyrant that threatened the nation.

The response was a ban and the moderator said that I should expect an armed police tactical team at my house.

The response to his pussy statement was just an American flag.
 
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Considering how much the 2nd Amendment has been cut down, I don't think the Constitution is considered much more than a suggestion by the government these days. There's nothing in the Constitution preventing you from owning a machine gun, that's entirely the National Firearms Act, which should be considered totally unconstitutional, but somehow isn't.
What's happening now is going to take years, and honestly, decades of rebuilding our rights. Every gun law can and will be challenged now, and with every win, especially one's that make it to the Supreme Court, that's another brick in the wall against tyranny. I've lived my whole life without a TRUE and HONEST win up until now, and I refuse to doom pill over it for at least the next 5 years, because that's when I feel we'll see some of the most egregious errors stomped out. If I'm wrong, I'll go full doomer, but until then, I'll hold my ground.
 
I agree. They will just lawfare gun and bullet manufacturers instead. (((Finance))) will also start squeezing too like they’ve threatened.
They can sure try, and they can also be lawfared right the fuck back too. Finance is trickier, but the solution for now is to avoid buying firearms with cash when possible until alternate payment processors, cards, etc, can be set up.
 
If only Republicans were as tireless in their pursuits. Democrats never stop trying every angle to chip away at gun rights, among others, to much success.

Yet, Republican efforts to do as simple a thing as defending marriage, abolishing abortion, securing the border, banning grooming, or defending free speech seem minimal at best.

Why is it so much easier to impede our Constitutional right to bear arms than it is to stop whores from killing their babies?
 
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