Law Will the Second Amendment Die in the Second Circuit? - In wake of Rhode Island getting its insane magazine ban held up, this is interesting

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Is the Second United States Circuit going to be where the Second Amendment goes to die? We ask because two cases are going to come before the circuit riders early next year asking whether New Yorkers have what the Constitution — in some of its plainest language — calls the right not only to keep but also to bear arms. Two cases, on the Empire State’s law abridging these rights, will go before panels of the 2nd Circuit as early as January.

This is shaping up as a test of whether the appellate courts will tolerate defiance of the Supreme Court by New York Democrats. The cases arose in response to legislation signed by Governor Hochul July 1. That was after the landmark vindication of the Second Amendment in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. That ruling struck down New York’s restrictive gun permit policies, only to have Democrats issue a new raft of restrictions.

As we had anticipated, New York Democrats tried to exploit a possible ambiguity in the Bruen ruling over “sensitive places” where gun-carrying rights can be constitutionally limited. Justice Thomas’ ruling observed that schools, polling places, and courthouses were historically places where “weapons were altogether prohibited,” and so “modern regulations” limiting guns in such “sensitive places are constitutionally permissible.”

That said, Justice Thomas warned against going too far. New York couldn’t, for example, make “the island of Manhattan” a “sensitive place.” The Democrats ignored this warning. The list of sensitive places they created covers vast swaths of the state, the AP says, including “places where people have gathered for public protests,” as well as places of worship, libraries, parks, the transit system — and a mockingly expanded definition of Times Square.

The Democrats also imposed a new set of requirements on New Yorkers who seek a permit to bear a firearm. The old law, struck down by Bruen, forced residents to prove “proper cause” to get permission to carry a gun. Now, residents are required to show they have “good moral character,” undergo extensive training, and turn over to state investigators their social media account details. Are such steps required to exercise any other civil liberty?

Efforts of the Democrats to defy Bruen are on a par with the “massive resistance” across the South to the Supreme Court’s Brown v. Board of Education ruling ordering the integration of public schools. New York’s Second Amendment advocates took to the courts. Two federal district judges — Glenn Suddaby at Syracuse and John Sinatra at Buffalo — have struck down parts of the Democrats’ new gun law as unconstitutional.

Following Justice Thomas’ reasoning in Bruen, Judges Suddaby and Sinatra sought to find historical precedent for the restrictions in the Democrats’ law. The regulations were found wanting. There was no example in the historical record, Judge Suddaby observed, for turning an entire neighborhood, like Times Square, into a “gun-free zone.” Even the New York Times saw that the enlarged boundary “defies both common sense and lived experience.”

Judge Sinatra took aim at the new law’s ban on guns in houses of worship. New York offered 19th-century examples. Judge Sinatra called them “outliers,” finding the ban “inconsistent with the Nation’s historical traditions,” and “infringing on the right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense.” He also balked at the state’s effort to exclude guns from, say, stores, unless they put up a sign saying guns are permitted.
Judge Suddaby groused that the hastily written law was “a wish list of exercise-inhibiting restrictions glued together by a severability clause.” We imagined, when New York appealed to the riders of the Second Circuit, the lower court rulings honoring the Bruen ruling would be speedily vindicated. Yet both rulings have been put on hold by the riders pending full arguments in the cases. It doesn’t bode well for the Second Amendment in New York.
 
They can sure try, and they can also be lawfared right the fuck back too. Finance is trickier, but the solution for now is to avoid buying firearms with cash when possible until alternate payment processors, cards, etc, can be set up.
Habibi, I pay with a gun with debit uncle Sam knows in 5 seconds vs cash, where it's paper and all they know is that I withdrew money. Explain?
 
God, I wish people would stop using this.
  1. It was dicta.
  2. It was a case that's been overturned for half a century.
  3. The analogy was used to justify imprisoning people who voiced dissent against the US entering WWI.
  4. Holmes was a faggot cuck.
It's an affront to the foundational principles of the United States. We should all spit on that analogy, not use it as the go-to example of reasonable limitation on free speech.
And even if that weren't true, omitting the word "falsely" completely changes the meaning of the quote from "don't tell lies to incite a panic" to "let theatergoers burn to death."
 
Will it repeal the damage done already, though?
Belatedly, but yes. The reason CA and NY legislators are freaking out hard is because they know 90% of everything they've put on the books is now unconstitutional. CA's assault weapons ban? Gone. NY's? Same as well. If I was so bold I'd say all the shit they're tossing out is deliberate chaff so people are too busy fighting that in court to go after all the laws already on the books.
 
Belatedly, but yes. The reason CA and NY legislators are freaking out hard is because they know 90% of everything they've put on the books is now unconstitutional. CA's assault weapons ban? Gone. NY's? Same as well. If I was so bold I'd say all the shit they're tossing out is deliberate chaff so people are too busy fighting that in court to go after all the laws already on the books.
It's exactly what it is, chaff, trying to clog and jam up the legal system for as long as possible. Problem is some of these are so heavy handed, that  when they finally get shot down, its going to have a knock on effect on future bills, strangling them in the cradle if they come anywhere close to this insanity. In a way, you could say, theyre shooting themselves in the foot, long term.
 
its going to have a knock on effect on future bills, strangling them in the cradle if they come anywhere close to this insanity
But that assumes we're not in clown world. What happens when you have a state legislature and judiciary so partisan that they don't care about the well-known legal standard?

There's no penalty for continually passing blatantly unconstitutional laws and gambling that a sympathetic federal court won't even place injunctions on them.
 
But that assumes we're not in clown world. What happens when you have a state legislature and judiciary so partisan that they don't care about the well-known legal standard?

There's no penalty for continually passing blatantly unconstitutional laws and gambling that a sympathetic federal court won't even place injunctions on them.
If Hawaiian Judge can enjoin the whole federal government, the only thing stopping Thomas slapping the State of New York with an injunction preventing the passage of gun laws is the fact he'd need to get 4 other justices to sign off on it as cover. You severely underappreciate the power of the judiciary.

(Before you ask where and how, the 14th Amendment is pretty damn far-reaching.)

And I don't know about you, but I think its pretty damn clear Hochul doesn't have anywhere near the stones Andrew Jackson did.
 
If only Republicans were as tireless in their pursuits. Democrats never stop trying every angle to chip away at gun rights, among others, to much success.

Yet, Republican efforts to do as simple a thing as defending marriage, abolishing abortion, securing the border, banning grooming, or defending free speech seem minimal at best.

Why is it so much easier to impede our Constitutional right to bear arms than it is to stop whores from killing their babies?
This is the problem with people who want to be left alone and expect laws to be followed: they don't tend to chimp out using the court system endlessly.
 
Also look even as a liberal I get the country I live in is founded on ideals that man should be mostly free to pursue a life of freedom and social liberty beyond they serfdom bullshit of European cuckery. So fuck off cousins, we like our independency you can go beg King Charles for better healthcare or whatever the fuck you do to get treated fairly.
 
But that assumes we're not in clown world. What happens when you have a state legislature and judiciary so partisan that they don't care about the well-known legal standard?

There's no penalty for continually passing blatantly unconstitutional laws and gambling that a sympathetic federal court won't even place injunctions on them.
I will have no dooming. The court has been quite angry and bullshit won't be tolerated. They nuked roe. From orbit. As has been said, unless they go full Andrew Jackson, all the court has to do is hit them with an injunction, possibly even better, wipe the slate clean, all because they pushed too far.
 
Slow it down there, maybe... but I'd expect the SC to slap down any attempts to undermine it so completely.
This is a process that is going to take years. New York and California and Chicago have been getting away with this for decades. Expect it to take decades to reverse course. This magazine ban won't survive the Supreme Court, and once that's dead, it's dead nation wide. Same with every bit of Gun Control getting sued right now
 
This is a process that is going to take years. New York and California and Chicago have been getting away with this for decades. Expect it to take decades to reverse course. This magazine ban won't survive the Supreme Court, and once that's dead, it's dead nation wide. Same with every bit of Gun Control getting sued right now

Like I said before, everyone needs to lay off the doompills

All the cries of "irreparable damage" and "Shredding the Constitution!" ignore the fact that NONE of these laws survive the review process because they run into the arguments the USSC just passed..... and not a single person, NOT A SINGLE ONE, has been arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated for violating them since they are under challenge before the ink is even dry on them.

The system works, the system just takes time.

The fact the garbage contrarian laws the prog-dems are determined to pass have to have their day in court before being thrown out? Instead of just immediately combusting into flame while a voice from on-high bellows : SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!! ? is not a failing.
 
Don't forget the true purpose of the amendment. If they ever try to take it away from you, remember why you have it in the first place.
They can put almost the entire country on house arrest for a year, hand over our border territories to drug cartels, give domestic terror cells permission to burn and loot, and declare theft to be legal...but when they finally repeal the 2a, THEN the Boomer Fudds will rise up!
 
Like I said before, everyone needs to lay off the doompills

All the cries of "irreparable damage" and "Shredding the Constitution!" ignore the fact that NONE of these laws survive the review process because they run into the arguments the USSC just passed..... and not a single person, NOT A SINGLE ONE, has been arrested, charged, convicted and incarcerated for violating them since they are under challenge before the ink is even dry on them.

The system works, the system just takes time.

The fact the garbage contrarian laws the prog-dems are determined to pass have to have their day in court before being thrown out? Instead of just immediately combusting into flame while a voice from on-high bellows : SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!! ? is not a failing.
All doompilling does is stop the average man from bringing these lawsuits to court, and forming groups that have enough money to do so. This is psychological warfare as much as lawfare. Personally in my life, I've accelerated my purchase of guns due to the laws and looting of 2020, I've helped changed people's minds, and I've seen first hand the massive wave of first time gun owners. We're winning, we just can't fall for the propaganda.
 
They can put almost the entire country on house arrest for a year, hand over our border territories to drug cartels, give domestic terror cells permission to burn and loot, and declare theft to be legal...but when they finally repeal the 2a, THEN the Boomer Fudds will rise up!
Okay, don't remember, then.
 
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All doompilling does is stop the average man from bringing these lawsuits to court,
Disagree there, people who like their guns don't need doompilled, they already have a vested interest in fighting stuff like this that they know targets them.

I think most people woe-as-me'ing over this are people who don't own guns, use guns or really care about guns except obliquely.

The doompilling is more of a danger of making us apathetic so we ignore just-as-totalitarian laws being passed by the same people that go unnoticed until already in phase I implementation because they target something nobody is passionate about - like being able to burn firewood at home if they want to.
 
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