Windows 12 - Intel's 14th-gen Meteor Lake-S desktop to support the unannounced OS

I miss the good old days where Microsoft would sell you an operating system for a couple hundred bucks and that would be that.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, let those of us that are comfy with the Windows ecosystem and don't need/want all the spoonfeeding, bloatware, TPM checks and all the other globohomo bullshit that's been steadily infecting Windows since Windows 8 buy a legit LTSC version of Windows for personal use. Preferably in old-timey retail packaging with a big box and a printed manual. I'd pay as much as $400 for that, which would put the hypothetical Windows 12 LTSC Personal Edition on par with MS-DOS and Windows 95 pricing when adjusted for inflation.
 
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Overly Serious said:
No it doesn't. Or else you're about to reply with some inaccurate definition of admin.
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the fuck you're even talking about? you know exactly what I mean. the moment you run stuff as user (got ahead, try it), you run into the very same permission issues and worse because windows expects you to run everything as administrator, and you fucking know it.
 
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If you want to see the future of computing, get a Chromebook. I think Windows 12 will look a lot like Chrome OS. Everything from Office to Teams to Autocad has cloud based browser versions up and running now. I've been fucking with Steam on the Chrome OS beta channel lately, and it works pretty fucking well, so even the gaming piece is in place. They've been setting up the chess pieces for the jump to a more locked-down cloud-based PC experience for some time now.
 
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Why does so much modern development get so fucking bloated? It's actually insane, the sheer expansion of shit that could have been done in a neater, and less oversized way. Is it sheer laziness? Incompetence? No one gives a shit anymore? I don't get it? Surely you - as a software dev - would want a sleek, rapid, and well functioning OS to ship?
 
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I'm yet to hear that Windows 11 actually has more telemetry than Windows 10, and from what I understand the main sins of Windows 11 are:

-The requirement for TPM as a mean of better security which locks out a majority of old machines
-An arbitrary CPU generation requirement which makes even less sense than the TPM requirement
-Reinventing the wheel with the new UI

Now, if I were to guess, what Nadella's Microsoft wants to do now is to make a new whole Windows release rather than doing a big update for a single OS like Windows 10, but I swear to God if they decide that with every next Windows iteration they will add yet another bodged on layer of new UI that's completely incompatible with all the old Windows elements that existed since the very first versions of NT I will lose my fucking mind. It makes absolutely zero sense to do so, WinUI3 is more bloated than Metro apps, as in it takes longer for shit to load, and you just have a harder time of using it.

And the funny thing is that Windows 11 is really just a reskin of Windows 10, and you can do registry tweaks to make it more usable like Windows 10. However Microsoft is seriously fucking up if now a requirement will be running WinAero Tweaker on every new Windows install to make it usable, because the Pajeets have decided to design a new clunky UI that's less functional and ergonomic than the old one and you have to manually disable it. Win11's context menu is a prime example of that. Completely incompatible with the old NT context menu and you end up adding one more mouse movement and click to do the same shit you did in 10, unless you do a registry tweak.

I really hope there will be some open source one-click Windows patcher that will cut out all the slapped on fluff to restore Win11/12/xx to Win10 layout, since there is no way in hell they will cut that out of the code given how lazily they've added the new taskbar for example. You can still enable the Win7 volume control on Win11.
 
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Celebrate Nite said:
i mean, there's this, but it's been in alpha for a bajillion years and only works on VMs
reactos.org

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ReactOS is a free, opensource reimplementation of windows
reactos.org reactos.org
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ReactOS is pure masochism. Installation nightmare, only drivers it supports are Windows 2000-era. Everything else a buggy mess. There's also enough "borrowed" NT code that if it somehow ever becomes usable MS can shut it down overnight.

Just running Explorer under WINE on Linux is infinitely more usable.
 
@Overly Serious @ZMOT you are both spewing outdated or just plain ignorant FUD.

To clarify, now I've woken up a bit more:

1) Windows doesn't have a problem with running as a User account. A lot of software written for windows has the problem, because it assumes you're running as an administrator account due to poor defaults chosen by Microsoft in the XP days. WNT's permissions and privilege escalation system is actually very clever when used correctly.

2) Windows ACLs are not the magical wondertool they're being promoted as. They're fine. The way Unixen does things is also fine. You're just more used to the way windows works.
 
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teriyakiburns said:
@Overly Serious @ZMOT you are both spewing outdated or just plain ignorant FUD.

To clarify, now I've woken up a bit more:

1) Windows doesn't have a problem with running as a User account. A lot of software written for windows has the problem, because it assumes you're running as an administrator account due to poor defaults chosen by Microsoft in the XP days. WNT's permissions and privilege escalation system is actually very clever when used correctly.
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yeah, worded it wrong. but system doesn't really matter when devs are still lazy and stupid - I run everything as a normal user, so run into issues regularly. still got software that wants up to THREE UAC prompts just to start. however that's still better than shit that looks like it runs but then has all kind of weird issues because it expects to run as administrator and there isn't even logic for throwing an error when it runs into a permission issue (although that hasn't happened in a while luckily).

the system itself also has other "quirks" that everything that runs elevated is treated as that user, for most people it will take a while to figure out everything is then saved in the administrator's profile or they have to mess around with the registry editor.
 
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ditto said:
ReactOS is pure masochism. Installation nightmare, only drivers it supports are Windows 2000-era. Everything else a buggy mess. There's also enough "borrowed" NT code that if it somehow ever becomes usable MS can shut it down overnight.

Just running Explorer under WINE on Linux is infinitely more usable.
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Nobody is actually using reactos on real hardware. Supposedly that's the next thing they want to work on.

As for the legal issues; microshaft tried to shut them down but couldn't. Most of react is clean room engineered or borrowed from wine so there's not much that microshaft can do
 
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