Winston Rowntree and the unbearable irony of early Woke

[Dom Cruise]

Someone on another thread posted something that reminded me of the artist Winston Rowntree, of Subnormality and Cracked.com fame.

This lead me to falling down the rabbit hole of revisiting some of his early Cracked articles and the irony is killing me, this is absolutely some "can you believe this shit?" stuff I just have to share.

Frist we have this article https://web.archive.org/web/2022032...ses-to-sexism-that-just-make-everything-worse

The incredible irony reading and looking at the illustrations in this late 2013 article today literally made me feel dizzy, first off he illustrates that simply reversing the roles of white men "at the top of the ladder" and replacing them with black lesbians is what we should not do, guess what society did? Literally exactly that, one set of "priviledge" was simply swapped for another.


The section about comic books is staggeringly ironic given what happened with comics in the years since, his point is that the media focuses on a very specific type of comic book, superheroes, and asking why there's so little female representation (at the time) and ignoring the wider comic industry where you'd find a lot more female creators, ending with the quote "but it's indicative of the greater trend that the media are, like Dexter, so often the cause of the problems they're investigating."

GEE, YA FUCKING THINK THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE!?

Hearing a left leaning person say that and even referencing CNN in it's illustration, when now the left just bluntly says "shut the fuck up and accept whatever CNN says" is just fucking bugnuts insanely ironic.


Then we have this article https://web.archive.org/web/2014013...age&utm_campaign=new+article&wa_ibsrc=fanpage

But the only real relevant part is the one referencing Star Wars, connecting it with punk rock, which is a pretty soyed out take, even for 2013, but then we have this quote referring to pop culture things like Star Wars.

This is when you remove critical thinking from the equation. To some degree everyone is powerless to resist the innate human love for opinions that reflect our own, and we all latch on to some stupid shit when we're young. The key is to not take it too far and one day look up to find yourself reveling in an echo chamber of utter shite just because doubling down was easier than questioning your life choices. At some point it stops being entertainment and starts being a cult, literally, and if you can name one good cult (that isn't led by Ian Astbury), then be my guest.

Wowsers, read this quote and think about what stuff like Star Wars and Marvel is today, to say nothing of Woke as a whole, "name me one good cult" indeed.


It's incredibly distressing to look back at 2013 and remember a time when even a left wing dude like Rowntree, who was one of the first I remember seeing really sperg out about sexism back in the day, still had some good points to make, as opposed to being a complete, soy infused retarded idiot like your average leftist today, I've not followed Rowntree for years and I can only assume he succumbed to the same brainrot that literally everyone who couldn't deal with anything other than "left=good, right=bad" did, but it's nice to remember when a guy like him WASN'T yet a total retard.

It's no surprise that as society decided to declare war on things like sexism, the most retarded takes are what won out, because most people are retarded, this is why it was a mistake to go down that path in the first place, some things are truly better left well enough alone, but hindsight is 20/20, can we really blame people for wanting to try to make the world a better place from the vantage point of a decade ago? But ten years later all it did was make everything exponentially worse.

Just... fuck, you know what I mean? The undeniable decline of everything from 2013-2022 is really too much to take, what the fuck went wrong? Why did the more levelheaded takes not win? Are people really just that retarded?

If anyone else has discovered any shit from the early 2010s that is now knock you on the ass levels of ironic in the 2020s, this is the thread to share and discuss.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

Early woke was tumblr. And for some reason niggas that were ok with telling people to go back to tumblr years ago are now cucked trans rights and blm advocates.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Winston was always shit, can't believe how many hours of my life i wasted on his comic, his best work was on cracked where he toned his shit down massively.

but yes because of how the overton window works and pre-TDS most stuff from that era looks a lot better. they also know their audience more, trying to shit on white guys pre-GG especially wouldn't have flown. I genuinely want to know how John Cheese feels about all this anti-white bullshit considering his entire schtick on the site was about how much it sucks growing up poor and white. He pretty much said his life revolved around making sure his white kids had a better life than he did.

I'm sure he eventually drank the grape flavor-aid but he was always mocked for being a whiny fag.

 

[Chen Stirner]

I remember Winston Rowntree. He made some nice art, but it was bogged down by his bad habit of being needlessly verbose and taking forever to get to anything resembling a point. It shows that leftist memes being walls of text is nothing new. As for the increasing craziness of leftism, this is the logical conclusion of their worldview. What started off as freedom from the constraints of government has evolved into freedom from the constraints of reality. We can already see this with their obsessive desire to promote transsexuality. Given the way things are going, they'll probably be promoting otherkin bullshit by the end of the decade. They already believe that a man can be a woman simply because he says he is. People self-identifying as animals is the logical next step, and if you oppose that, then you'll be branded as a hateful bigot.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Forgot to mention that the sight of a Noelle Stevenson character in one of the illustrations about comics gave me a fight or flight response, had never heard of her in 2013.

Early woke was tumblr. And for some reason niggas that were ok with telling people to go back to tumblr years ago are now cucked trans rights and blm advocates.

I say Woke so we all know what I'm talking about but obviously when you go further back, the blurrier it becomes.

But I'm what I'm talking about is that attitude you started seeing pop around a decade ago all over the net of "gee, we should use our power to markedly improve the world", we can see the earliest start of that as far back as Project Chanology.

Tumblr is where a lot of the specific rhetoric of what later become Woke came from, but already we can see that desire to "stop sexism" pop all over the net outside of Tumblr in 2012 and 2013, that's what I'm referring to as "early Woke"

In fact I forgot until now just how mired 2013 already was in "muh sexism" bullshit, I remember it as being a lot milder back then than it evidently actually was.

Winston was always shit, can't believe how many hours of my life i wasted on his comic, his best work was on cracked where he toned his shit down massively.

but yes because of how the overton window works and pre-TDS most stuff from that era looks a lot better. they also know their audience more, trying to shit on white guys pre-GG especially wouldn't have flown. I genuinely want to know how John Cheese feels about all this anti-white bullshit considering his entire schtick on the site was about how much it sucks growing up poor and white. He pretty much said his life revolved around making sure his white kids had a better life than he did.

I'm sure he eventually drank the grape flavor-aid but he was always mocked for being a whiny fag.

John Cheese and his Woke articles on Cracked is one of the first times I remember seeing someone's tone radically shift like that, along with Cracked as a whole, we go from a website that encouraged critical thinking and taking another look at accepted things to "swallow this bullshit about what you should think about something" and it was all happening around 2014/2015.

It was genuinely nuts, especially in the case of the big one, David Wong, who wrote all sorts of articles about emotional manipulation, how demonizing people is wrong and just in general a schtick of being an Enlighted centrist type and then he becomes just another TDS tard, body snatchers shit to the extreme with everyone on that site.

From what I understand Cheese was eventually accused of sexual harassment and was fired from Cracked and basically faded into obscurity since, whether he actually did what they say he did or if this was some knight of the long knives style purge of white men from the site I don't know, even Gladstone got #MeToo'd.

I remember Winston Rowntree. He made some nice art, but it was bogged down by his bad habit of being needlessly verbose and taking forever to get to anything resembling a point. It shows that leftist memes being walls of text is nothing new. As for the increasing craziness of leftism, this is the logical conclusion of their worldview. What started off as freedom from the constraints of government has evolved into freedom from the constraints of reality. We can already see this with their obsessive desire to promote transsexuality. Given the way things are going, they'll probably be promoting otherkin bullshit by the end of the decade. They already believe that a man can be a woman simply because he says he is. People self-identifying as animals is the logical next step, and if you oppose that, then you'll be branded as a hateful bigot.

That's essentially what went wrong, eventually reality crashed the party, sperging out so much about sexism only eventually raised the question of "gee, maybe there ARE differences between and women that AREN'T just "arbitrary"?", same deal with race.

It was easy to be dismissive of sexism and take a "not cool" attitude before women suddenly felt like they were entitled to everything men have by virtue of being women, it was easy to be dismissive of racism and take a "not cool" attitude again before that sense of entitlement that blacks are owed everything whites have kicked in, it was even easier to not be negative about trans people before yet again, that attitude that they're entitled to things way beyond what is rational kicked in, everything was better when people had less reasons to fight one another, leave me alone, we don't have a problem, come after me, then we got a problem.

That's why I said all that shit was best left well enough alone, the internet made a big, big mistake in the whole social justice activist shit.

The sad thing is people like Winston were actually a big part of the problem, because they tried to take a "level headed" approach when there is no level headed approach to take with these people, shit should have been nipped in the bud a decade ago and only met with blatant "fuck you" hostility, any attempt at appeasement was seen as a sign of weakness by Woke and an opportunity to stab you in the back, they preyed on people giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying "surely they won't go that far", give an inch and they'll take a mile etc.

The trouble with demanding absolute equality for all is maybe, just maybe, we're not all equal after all.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

In fact I forgot until now just how mired 2013 already was in "muh sexism" bullshit, I remember it as being a lot milder back then than it evidently actually was.

The weird thing about 2013 and tumblr wokeness is that it was universally mocked, and when someone started complaining about "muh body positivity" and "muh cyberbullying" it was almost instantly responded with the quote "go back to tumblr lol".

Which is weird when starting in 2015 when people were doing the same shit the people who used to tell them to "go back to tumblr" jumped shit and started larping as progressives.

Actually now that I think of it, it seems like an ongoing thing. People who were very much anti-woke in 2016 have progressively become cucked in current year like The Amazing Atheist and Idubbz .

 

[Dom Cruise]

The weird thing about 2013 and tumblr wokeness is that it was universally mocked, and when someone started complaining about "muh body positivity" and "muh cyberbullying" it was almost instantly responded with the quote "go back to tumblr lol".

Which is weird when starting in 2015 when people were doing the same shit the people who used to tell them to "go back to tumblr" jumped shit and started larping as progressives.

Actually now that I think of it, it seems like an ongoing thing. People who were very much anti-woke in 2016 have progressively become cucked in current year like The Amazing Atheist and Idubbz .

Year after year there was more and more pressure to submit as they gained more and more power, some people caved under that pressure and eventually figured "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"

In 2013 it was all so early on that more people felt brave enough to tell them to fuck off, but even by 2015 Woke was getting ugly and increasingly trying to ruin people's real lives over online drama, not to mention the ad hominem attacks just got more and more intense and that was BEFORE the 2016 election when everything only got 1000 times worse and then proceeded to ramp up that much more year by year, culminating in Covid hysteria, which we don't even know how badly has fucked us over yet and was only able to happen due to the Woke climate and it's social pressure+control of the narrative.

The last decade has been an unmitigated disaster for mankind, it should have been nipped in the bud and met only with aggressive hostility the moment people got on their bullshit, but we just didn't know, how could we have known how far they'd push it?

 

[Ser Prize]

Early woke was tumblr. And for some reason niggas that were ok with telling people to go back to tumblr years ago are now cucked trans rights and blm advocates.

It's depressing how often you'll hear "i used to be alt right..." among millenials and zoomer wokesters.

 

[Epic Fail Man]

It's depressing how often you'll hear "i used to be alt right..." among millenials and zoomer wokesters.

I feel that most zoomers that have not yet reached the age of 20 are based and see through the bullshit. It's the millennials that are a lost cause, and they're the one's regurgitating the schizophrenic systemic whatever theories.

 

[Dom Cruise]

It's depressing how often you'll hear "i used to be alt right..." among millenials and zoomer wokesters.

I really don't understand how that can be a thing, Woke seems to me like bullshit you either swallow from the start or you don't, how can you see through it at one time and then turn around and swallow it? It's like believing a magic trick is magic after being shown how it's done.

 

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@Dom Cruise (can't quote your post, sorry)

Tumblr is where a lot of the specific rhetoric of what later become Woke came from, but already we can see that desire to "stop sexism" pop all over the net outside of Tumblr in 2012 and 2013, that's what I'm referring to as "early Woke"

In fact I forgot until now just how mired 2013 already was in "muh sexism" bullshit, I remember it as being a lot milder back then than it evidently actually was.

I vaguely remembered an increase in that rhetoric, but probably not as much as I would now since I thought "we need more women in movies/TV/vidya" back then just meant what you'd see in anime or something, more good female characters which I'm always down for. Like to me it was distinct from the freaky Tumblr feminist type or people like the woman crying about overhearing two techbros making dongle jokes to each other--I think that was late 2012/early 2013 and was probably the first time I remember hearing about an outrage over bizarre SJW stuff and might've been ground zero. Other than that, why was 2013 so full of "muh sexism" anyway? I think that was the year Anita Sarkeesian started her silly crowdfunding and blamed "sexists" for the criticism she got for grifting, but other than that I can't remember anything. It wasn't like the next year with the dreaded Gamergate which seems to have permanently changed internet SJW activism.

Pre-Gamergate SJWism feels so strangely nostalgic (maybe because you could believe they were harmless loons or dumb kids who'd grow up). Like it's still incredibly obnoxious and laughable but in a way it feels totally different. I think if I went back in time (or just spent some time going through SJW trash I'd see in 2013) I'd find it's both the exact same shit yet strangely "off". Like you'd actually see a good point about a relevant issue and the solution isn't something insane (like how their solution to police brutality and justice system bullshit is "abolish the police and prisons and make restorative justice a thing"), or I'd wonder "hey where's the obligatory mention of Trump or Gamergate or the alt-right?"

I wonder if the answer is that SJWism fused with the insanity of academic leftism (which really took off in the late 80s since that's when the 60s commie students were firmly in control of the institutions). The oldest brand of SJWs on Tumblr were high schoolers or undergrads and hadn't yet immersed themselves in social justice thinking, but they paid enough attention in class and got connected to writings from earlier nutcases like Bell Hooks (fuck you, not spelling it all undercase). Their ideology became rigid and they became thought leaders which guided it along a predetermined course which was of course fostered by the global elite who liked the ideology for its divisiveness.

 

[Francesco Dellamorte]

I can only assume he succumbed to the same brainrot...

He predicted the porn addict to troon pipeline. Guy turns himself into succubus bimbo with handlebar horns and gets called out by a woman:

Rowntree put up this apology later:

 

[Skitarii]

Early woke was tumblr. And for some reason niggas that were ok with telling people to go back to tumblr years ago are now cucked trans rights and blm advocates.

Burnout from being edgy 6 years ago, "oh I was just a teenager, I was immature". These people were never sincere about their beliefs and just said things to fit in.

 

[Dom Cruise]

@Dom Cruise (can't quote your post, sorry)

I vaguely remembered an increase in that rhetoric, but probably not as much as I would now since I thought "we need more women in movies/TV/vidya" back then just meant what you'd see in anime or something, more good female characters which I'm always down for. Like to me it was distinct from the freaky Tumblr feminist type or people like the woman crying about overhearing two techbros making dongle jokes to each other--I think that was late 2012/early 2013 and was probably the first time I remember hearing about an outrage over bizarre SJW stuff and might've been ground zero. Other than that, why was 2013 so full of "muh sexism" anyway? I think that was the year Anita Sarkeesian started her silly crowdfunding and blamed "sexists" for the criticism she got for grifting, but other than that I can't remember anything. It wasn't like the next year with the dreaded Gamergate which seems to have permanently changed internet SJW activism.

Pre-Gamergate SJWism feels so strangely nostalgic (maybe because you could believe they were harmless loons or dumb kids who'd grow up). Like it's still incredibly obnoxious and laughable but in a way it feels totally different. I think if I went back in time (or just spent some time going through SJW trash I'd see in 2013) I'd find it's both the exact same shit yet strangely "off". Like you'd actually see a good point about a relevant issue and the solution isn't something insane (like how their solution to police brutality and justice system bullshit is "abolish the police and prisons and make restorative justice a thing"), or I'd wonder "hey where's the obligatory mention of Trump or Gamergate or the alt-right?"

I wonder if the answer is that SJWism fused with the insanity of academic leftism (which really took off in the late 80s since that's when the 60s commie students were firmly in control of the institutions). The oldest brand of SJWs on Tumblr were high schoolers or undergrads and hadn't yet immersed themselves in social justice thinking, but they paid enough attention in class and got connected to writings from earlier nutcases like Bell Hooks (fuck you, not spelling it all undercase). Their ideology became rigid and they became thought leaders which guided it along a predetermined course which was of course fostered by the global elite who liked the ideology for its divisiveness.

Sarkeesian launched her Kickstarter in 2012, the actual series started coming out in 2013, that alongside controversy over the sorceress in Dragon's Crown made it clear to me by 2013 that feminism took the attitude of "sexy = sexist" and I was never on their side, at first it was a curiosity I was indifferent to at best, then it quickly became clear it was something I was against.

In 2013 almost no video games themselves were Woke, the first shot really fired was Gone Home in 2013, I knew as soon as it was revealed that the sister was gay that times were changing and not in a good way.

But with SJWism in general there was still a massive tonal shift after Gamergate and it happened again with Trump, it was all a lot more reasonable and level headed in 2012 and 2013 before it became completely insane.

He predicted the porn addict to troon pipeline. Guy turns himself into succubus bimbo with handlebar horns and gets called out by a woman:
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Rowntree put up this apology later:
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Kind of amazing for someone to predict that as far back as 2004/2005, it shows the guy had a pretty decent head on his shoulders for a while there before the brain drain of Woke.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

@Dom Cruise

wow didn't know about all that stuff, stopped using cracked after the site revamp a decade ago, i miss those craption contests.

Cheese deserved his fate, really puts his bullshit in perspective when you realize he was a creep. you think if he truely cared about his kids fate he would't have been such a fucking dick head to people.

i actually liked gladstone, sad to see how he ended up, someone on reddit said it seemed there was a huge envy among the telecomunicating writers vs the office writers and new writers.

from what i've seen from other websites the telecommuting ones always get fucked, rarely have good assignments and lose out on all that is truely gained from networking. its basically something you should do once you get established or else you end up being neglected like milton in office space.

i'm more impressed both just fucking vanished. but that was probably easy for them given their age, anyone born in the 1970s truely doesn't need the social media internet bullshit, people their age were already past the age where being on myspace or friendster was a big deal, their brains already matured in a world without internet.

Also rather telling that all the guys that got #metoo'd from cracked were all part of that older generation. like i said, what they were comfortable with doing when it came to women vs whats acceptable now is completely different. people forget how truely free the internet was during the "u dun goofed" era. so its hard not to believe those accusations. for fucks sake Superbad was a hit movie in 2007 and its protagonists entire plan is to commit date rape, even if it doesn't work out still you couldn't make a movie revolving around that.

even the wokest people today were saying shit like "kill all nigs" and "X should be raped" as recently as 2012. I think thats part of why they're so woke now, hiding past indiscretions. its why the average person could disagree with stuff like white privilege while people who truely did get away with horrific shit probably assumes it was normal for white people to get away with burning crosses on chink's lawns.



I know Ben Kissel has admitted that he had quite the psychopathic youth, and has all but admitted to being part of a WN group before moving from wisconsin to NYC. And his behavior in the NYC comedy scene illustrates a guy that was slowly getting woke but was overall quite the shithead until literally like 2016.

for fucks sake has Hbomberguy admitted to being a shithead on Metokur forums back then or apologized?

Honestly i think wokeness in general could be linked to a rise in extremist views or at the very least a widening of the overton window online after the great recession. no one was openly talking about alt-right bullshit, or commie crap, or wokeness, even on 4chan or other places. you literally just had Stormfront or other small forums, nothing truely breaking through like TDS or /new/ until 2010.

even tumblr didn't really get its reputation until around then, considering what we know about the great depression and its aftermath and numerous reports i think the great recession is truely to blame for a lot of this. its sort of odd thinking about how much better things probably would have turned out by now if they truely did let western civ die in 2008, sure people would have struggled and much more despair and death overall but the moderate views most people especially online had back in 2008/2009 probably would still remain.

You don't even think about it but its truely crazy how fucked up things have gotten in such a short amount of time.

 

[Dom Cruise]

@Dom Cruise

wow didn't know about all that stuff, stopped using cracked after the site revamp a decade ago, i miss those craption contests.

Cheese deserved his fate, really puts his bullshit in perspective when you realize he was a creep. you think if he truely cared about his kids fate he would't have been such a fucking dick head to people.

i actually liked gladstone, sad to see how he ended up, someone on reddit said it seemed there was a huge envy among the telecomunicating writers vs the office writers and new writers.

from what i've seen from other websites the telecommuting ones always get fucked, rarely have good assignments and lose out on all that is truely gained from networking. its basically something you should do once you get established or else you end up being neglected like milton in office space.

i'm more impressed both just fucking vanished. but that was probably easy for them given their age, anyone born in the 1970s truely doesn't need the social media internet bullshit, people their age were already past the age where being on myspace or friendster was a big deal, their brains already matured in a world without internet.

Also rather telling that all the guys that got #metoo'd from cracked were all part of that older generation. like i said, what they were comfortable with doing when it came to women vs whats acceptable now is completely different. people forget how truely free the internet was during the "u dun goofed" era. so its hard not to believe those accusations. for fucks sake Superbad was a hit movie in 2007 and its protagonists entire plan is to commit date rape, even if it doesn't work out still you couldn't make a movie revolving around that.

even the wokest people today were saying shit like "kill all nigs" and "X should be raped" as recently as 2012. I think thats part of why they're so woke now, hiding past indiscretions. its why the average person could disagree with stuff like white privilege while people who truely did get away with horrific shit probably assumes it was normal for white people to get away with burning crosses on chink's lawns.

90s style political correctness was way unhip in the 2000s, most people liked edgy jokes and saying a few very un-PC things for the pure shock value, with the implicit understanding that it wasn't serious.

Anything can be taken to the extreme and I think some of that stuff could be obnoxious in it's own way, it was reasonable for people to maybe calm down a bit, but the trouble is it was taken way too far in the other extreme.

As for the allegations against Cheese, as unfortunate as it is I see no reason to assume they aren't true given his fucked up life, including the time his dad showed him a porno when he was a kid, I believe what he was accused of doing specifically was trying to arrange sexual favors in exchange for opportunities at Cracked.

I know Ben Kissel has admitted that he had quite the psychopathic youth, and has all but admitted to being part of a WN group before moving from wisconsin to NYC. And his behavior in the NYC comedy scene illustrates a guy that was slowly getting woke but was overall quite the shithead until literally like 2016.

for fucks sake has Hbomberguy admitted to being a shithead on Metokur forums back then or apologized?

Honestly i think wokeness in general could be linked to a rise in extremist views or at the very least a widening of the overton window online after the great recession. no one was openly talking about alt-right bullshit, or commie crap, or wokeness, even on 4chan or other places. you literally just had Stormfront or other small forums, nothing truely breaking through like TDS or /new/ until 2010.

even tumblr didn't really get its reputation until around then, considering what we know about the great depression and its aftermath and numerous reports i think the great recession is truely to blame for a lot of this. its sort of odd thinking about how much better things probably would have turned out by now if they truely did let western civ die in 2008, sure people would have struggled and much more despair and death overall but the moderate views most people especially online had back in 2008/2009 probably would still remain.

You don't even think about it but its truely crazy how fucked up things have gotten in such a short amount of time.

It's becoming clear that the Great Recession wrecked things worse than we really initially realized, we'd be living in an entirely different world if that had not happened.

 

[LetterlandMafia]

Cracked was also one of my first exposures to the mindset I can remember. Luke McKinney specifically with some article about sexism in comics and how burly men are just a male power fantasy. People blame John Cheese but while he was tonally very different to other Cracked writers I can’t recall any Woke stuff on his part. McKinney is the one I always associate with it.

My other earliest memory was a tumblr blog spouting the typical ‘can’t be sexist to men’ and ‘can’t be racist to whites’ lines inbetween other posts which were the reason I followed her in the first place.

As others point out it’s interesting how the window has shifted and how people who once made fun of tumblr now embody that mindset. The best example is JelloApocalypse who made a whole video making fun of tumblr, but if you go to that video now it’s got an entire essay length apology from him about how wrong he was (but he doesn’t take the vid down because ad revenue I guess).

I honestly don’t think the mentality has changed all that much, it’s still the baseline position of white men suck and should never complain about anything, it’s just become a more mainstreamed viewpoint and opposition to it increasingly characterised as being some kind of right wing extremist.

 

[Ser Prize]

I'm so glad JF Sargent was outed as a sex pest. I hated that faggot.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

It's becoming clear that the Great Recession wrecked things worse than we really initially realized, we'd be living in an entirely different world if that had not happened.

I think the one good thing about this is that at least people are starting to realize that. from a Ben Shappiro, Kitchen sink argument you'd have to prefer the current year vs one where say smartphones never took off. And all the dogshit from the tech boom and just social media in general crumbled. where forums were still text based and run by a lonely weirdo using ancient stolen cisco servers in his garage.

Like imagine today but with 2004 era tech still, venture capitalists were non-existent and everyone is still using dvds. if it meant no more craziness, maybe gay rights but overall trannies and coloreds were treated the way they were in 2009. We'd all be fine with it.

Like if videogames were still being made for the ps3 and xbox360, the same way brazil still had people buying ps2 systems in 2014. we'd all probably be fine with it overall. Like if movies with budgets over $20 million never happened after 2008, we'd all be pissed but overall probably fine with it.

That should probably be the biggest worry for the powers that be, that most people nowadays are way more spiritual and less fine with being psychopathicly capitalistic and certainly understand that companies themselves aren't as nakedly beholden to consumers and being un-politcal as people thought back in 2013.

Overall even the boomers are a fuckload more redpilled than they were a decade ago. even shit like the recent shooting, its not nuketown where people were saddened, people are more angry about the police than about the deaths. If TPTB were willing to take the hit 15 years ago we'd probably be out of it by now. the bailouts didn't truely prevent the tragedies as much as people thought, it just occurred a lot slower. right now is where we'd be in 2010, economics wise if they just let shit slip, all the inflation and closed businesses that occurred from 2009-2019 would have all hit in one year, and all the hurt from 2020-2022 would have hit in one year, now would that mean a fuckload more dead bodies from despiar and the birth rate crashing yes. we'd have a negative population growth but immigrants probably wouldn't be able to be flooding in as quickly either.

but we'd already be out of it by now, sure minimum wage probably would be $100/hr but still, peoples bonds would be tighter. we'd be better spiritually as a people, like the hard times that created good people.

Cracked was also one of my first exposures to the mindset I can remember. Luke McKinney specifically with some article about sexism in comics and how burly men are just a male power fantasy. People blame John Cheese but while he was tonally very different to other Cracked writers I can’t recall any Woke stuff on his part. McKinney is the one I always associate with it.

its not that Cheese was woke, but his articles were always very whiny, about how hard it is to work at a restaurant or have an internet job in rural midwest or how shit raising kids are or dealing with exwives. it was a lot of whining. which is odd considering his persona on the forums.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The truth is fags like Winston are why we're in the situation we're in now, SJWism was always from day 1 nothing but a hate movement against white men, but it was cucks who tried to meet it halfway, who tried to engage in mental gymnastics to try to find some middle ground, are why it was able to gain the ground it did instead of being nipped in the bud by being met only with the words "fuck you"

Because while those milder takes may be refreshing today, there was no middle ground to be had with these people, there's no level headed take they would accept, it was always scumbags that simply hated the fuck out of white men and as soon as they felt like it was safe to be open about that and take the gloves off, they did and spineless cucks are why it wasn't stopped.

Because nobody was going to listen to Winton's takes because he is, ya know, a white man and hatred of white men is what it was always about.

I just find it interesting to look back on a time when the discourse didn't just literally all boil down to "fuck white men"