[WIP] Transgenderism is a fascist movement - You can't spell tyranny without "tranny"

[Cnidarian]

To start, this discussion won't use the historical definition of "fascism" but the one of "ur fascism" that Umberto Eco defined. Trans Rights Activists obviously don't have an inherent preference for any governmental system, except for whatever best enables their invasive quackery, which lets the "everything is political" people insist that it's an apolitical action to demand special privileges while marching with huge flags. It doesn't matter that they can't be defined as universally fascist in the Mussolini sense that only matters to nerds, since Eco's 14 Points of Fascism were written as a tool to identify heinous movements before they take further institutional power.

Critics usually go with calling it a "cult" so far, which is an insult that is flawed by its lack of conventionally religious characteristics. It does not exclude membership from religions, it has no central structure, it has no deities, it has no definite dogma, and it has no metaphysical beliefs except for undetectable, inviolable, "physical" differences between most women and most men. It is unlike Scientology except for its similarities to Dianetics. It is a political movement, except when people are complaining about politics, and that automatically gives it more identifiable ground with the Nazi Party. Further illustrating its similar pathologies to Nazism also helps with advancing the recognition of Troonism as a cult, because fascist leaders used the aspects of a cult that distinguished it from a conventional religion, without the recognizable aspects of a religion. Therefore, drawing the line between transgender ideology and fascism also connects it to cult movements.

To return to the point that it doesn't exclude the membership of a conventional religion, a troon may identify as Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, often some fanfic cult that was invented in the twentieth century, separately from their trans identity. Yes, it has been amended to enable it, and that is a thing which most people have done for their own causes, so I won't say that it is a problem or at least not one that is exclusive to the far left, as the 14 points are about to point out. But patriotism as we know it is usually absent from troons, even though governments do more than churches to assist them. But if you have an ingroup, with a shared flag, that you stand up for at all costs, isn't that a kind of nationalism for a stateless nation?

Anyone that has touched discord also knows that troons and nazis are not in the same pipeline, but they do share a sewer. There are emotions in common between nazis and troons that will drive a young man to betray his future and people, to rehabilitate the image of a crackheaded shephard and his child molesting flock, in the name of destroying everything that is familiar to him. Nazis yearn to repeat a past, while trannies understand that the children can only be confiscated by looking to the future. When troons say "you must be a scared and confused egg" to their detractors, it isn't because they think it's a good insult, they genuinely relate to edgy young men and recognize transitioning as a more profitable outlet of antisocial emotions.

And that's what makes this analysis useful even after the overuse of "fascist" as an accusation. You, the politically and philosophically aware reader, might give no more weight to it, but think of the parents. Most of them know that a Swastika-waving son will be a laughingstock and potential criminal, but at least he has no inroad to really destroy our freedoms. They would be horrified to hear that the pink and blue is a road to the same things and worse. There should be a condensed and simplified revision of this post to explain it to normal people, and to give example stories or images of each behavior.

The "points" of the essay are as wordy as you expect them to be, so I will give a summary of each given argument that someone is fascist.

And without further ado, here are the 14 points of Fascism, and (potentially) how they apply to TRAs:
Point 1: Syncretism

The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the cult of tradition. Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counter-revolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but it was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of them indulgently accepted by the Roman Pantheon) started dreaming of a revelation received at the dawn of human history. This revelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages — in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little known religions of Asia.
This new culture had to be syncretistic. Syncretism is not only, as the dictionary says, “the combination of different forms of belief or practice”; such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a silver of wisdom, and whenever they seem to say different or incompatible things it is only because all are alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth.
As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth has been already spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.
One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements. The most influential theoretical source of the theories of the new Italian right, Julius Evola, merged the Holy Grail with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, alchemy with the Holy Roman and Germanic Empire. The very fact that the Italian right, in order to show its open-mindedness, recently broadened its syllabus to include works by De Maistre, Guenon, and Gramsci, is a blatant proof of syncretism.
If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled as New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge — that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism.

TL;DR: Fascists will invent a "tradition" for themselves by imagining a connection between earlier cultures and figures.
We've gone off to a strong beginning, one of their most popular narratives is a place of privilege that noble savages hold for gender benders, from India to Babylon to Rome to the First Nations. Pay attention to what these are, they are positions of reverence or at least desire, and from this argument you're told that not only do they need your acceptance, but you also need their transgressive beauty.

Point 2: Rejection of modernism. Irrationalism.

Traditionalism implies the rejection of modernism. Both Fascists and Nazis worshiped technology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditional spiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements, its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon Blood and Earth (Blut und Boden). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of the capitalistic way of life, but it mainly concerned the rejection of the Spirit of 1789 (and of 1776, of course). The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.

TL;DR: Fascists define their "tradition" by its contradiction of equality and rationality, turning modern values into the symbol of the enemy.
Gender dysphoria is not a contradiction but an entire rebellion from the materialist and egalitarian norms of this era. Troons do not believe in a universal ability to adapt to an open-minded society, nor in equivalence between men and women, neither that gender expression is a culture bound idea without deep biological or spiritual purpose.

Point 3: Action for action's sake.

Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Goering’s alleged statement (“When I hear talk of culture I reach for my gun”) to the frequent use of such expressions as “degenerate intellectuals,” “eggheads,” “effete snobs,” “universities are a nest of reds.” The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

TL;DR: Fascists repress serious inspection of their tenets and its prescribed actions to ensure compliance with the movement.
The trans community cannot spread without violent opposition to any serious definition of gender dysphoria, and thereby opposition to any interests in defining it. Potential members must be rushed into crossing the rubicon without question or care.

Point 4: Disagreement is treason.

No syncretistic faith can withstand analytical criticism. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. For Ur-Fascism, disagreement is treason.

TL;DR: Fascists refuse to believe that their tenets can be questioned from a place of sincere concern for their people's sake.
Just as the fascist movements first declared themselves to the synonymous with the health of their nations, and eventually of the entire west through those nations, the narrative of the Trans Nation describes it as being important to the survival of the west by embodying the next stage of its values. Thereby, not only is it treasonous to define the Trans Nation from within, it is also treasonous to question it from outside.

Point 5: Fear of difference.

Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks for consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural fear of difference. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.

TL;DR: Fascists create their identities by identifying someone else as an inevitable invader.
The trans movement considers both sexes to be the enemy, . Their sex is the nightmare they were trying to escape, who threatens them just by appreciating itself, while the opposite has stolen their birthright. There isn't any other demographic that could have such an omnipresent outgroup like this one, and they are never starved of reminders of the enemy, two mutually incomprehensible forces that siege them for their entire lives.

Point 6: Appeal to a frustrated middle class.

Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. That is why one of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old “proletarians” are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority.

TL;DR: Fascism panders to people that are already empowered, but need to hold on to that power.

Point 7: Obession with a plot

To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must also come from the inside: Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the U.S., a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson’s The New World Order, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others.

TL;DR: Fascists are on the look out for their perpetual ultimate enemies.

Point 8: The enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.

The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

TL;DR: The fascist's perpetual enemy must invite envy while appearing possible to challenge.

Point 9: Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy, life is permanent warfare.

For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. Thus pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. It is bad because life is permanent warfare. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such a “final solution” implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament.

TL;DR: The nation of the fascists must live on the constant destruction of its enemies.

Point 10: Contempt for the weak. Popular elitism

Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies contempt for the weak. Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people of the world, the members of the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler. Since the group is hierarchically organized (according to a military model), every subordinate leader despises his own underlings, and each of them despises his inferiors. This reinforces the sense of mass elitism.

TL;DR: Fascists organize their worldview into a pyramid of the most to the least worthy people.

Point 11: Everybody is educated to become a hero

In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero. In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Falangists was Viva la Muerte (in English it should be translated as “Long Live Death!”). In non-fascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.

TL;DR: Fascists seek martyrdom for its own sake instead of using the concept to cope with dangerous principles.
This is metaphorically true. Most people will sell out a bit of their ego for things like employment, religious piety, or common courtesy, and their peers do not reward the damage with anything more than a sympathetic nod. Ego death is the entire mission of a troon, to fall headfirst into a more concentrated false image of "womanhood" than any normal woman would aspire for. Messages of self-annihilation, and pornography fetishizing it, are everywhere that troons will go. The metaphorical death has the same purpose as a literal one in a military campaign: to use your entire existence to advance the spread of the nation.

Point 12: Maschismo.

Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters. This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur-Fascist hero tends to play with weapons — doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise.

TL;DR: Fascists live in an intentionally cultivated state of sexual frustration.

Point 13: Selective populism. Against "rotten" parliamentary governments.

Ur-Fascism is based upon a selective populism, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view — one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common Will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. To have a good instance of qualitative populism we no longer need the Piazza Venezia in Rome or the Nuremberg Stadium. There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.
Because of its qualitative populism Ur-Fascism must be against “rotten” parliamentary governments. One of the first sentences uttered by Mussolini in the Italian parliament was “I could have transformed this deaf and gloomy place into a bivouac for my maniples” — “maniples” being a subdivision of the traditional Roman legion. As a matter of fact, he immediately found better housing for his maniples, but a little later he liquidated the parliament. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism.

TL;DR: Fascists ignore the wellbeing of the members of their ingroup to listen to the needs of an imaginary representation of it.

Point 14: Newspeak.

Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in 1984, as the official language of Ingsoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show.

TL;DR: Fascists destroy language to make their perspective look like an unquestionable conclusion of reality.

What other fascist points can you find in troon behaviors?

 

[Biker]

this reminds me of the get rid of homosexuals and there'd be no fascism argument.

 

[P R O X Y]

I tired honestly to give your thread a fair read but it's just bad. I have no clue what comparisons you are trying to make between nazi's and troons, and somehow the cult thing, i dont know. I respect trying to correlate troon activities to umberto eco's thoughts on fascism but I don't really think it works at all.

Would you be willing to give the best examples of eco's fascism checklist that you feel matches troon behaviour? Its not that I disagree but I feel that you are trying to make loose comparisons that are not present.

 

[UERISIMILITUDO]

I didn't read this shit. Anyway, transgenderism can't be fascism, because fascism is cool.

 

[Szfynks]

God, I hate it when every single form of authoritarian regime is called either communist or fascist/nazi.
BUT
I think OP might be onto something with trannies creating their own "nation" within real nations and destabilizing society for their own twisted needs. Tranny version of zionazis when?

 

[Syikeblade]

it has no deities

Yes it does, themselves.

 

[glitterglue]

I mean, you can draw line between facism, nazism, communism, cults, witch-hunts and find striking similarities. You can do this with anything basicly.

I think troonism just needs to be treated for what it is. A product of the current society, mental illness, sexual deviance, extreme indvidualism or whatever it might be.

As with anything, we should determine where it comes from, why, how to get rid of it, and how to prevent it from happening in the future. That is the interesting discussion.

 

[MeeksPeak]

With how trooneries and genderspecial retards are spreading at an alarming rate, even being taught in elementary schools, it’s not hard to see that the future looks bleak. They will tell children that it’s special, and children love being special, and they make friends with other children who got groomed into it, and it just grows bigger as years pass. Trannies are doing something harmful to society.

I hate this evolving world with a passion, and putting a definitive stop to what they have started just seems impossible at this point.

 

[David Brown]

Okay but can you tell us who are the real racists next?

This is another exercise in projecting "thing I don't like" into the post WWII ideology of Nazi panic. OP, many people have been down this road. It's mental masturbation. Wouldn't it be more fruitful to reckon with tranny politics as it exists here in the present reality instead of trying to turn it into Yet Another Nazi Accusation? This is one step removed from drawing comparisons to Star Wars or Harry Potter trivia. If it's a fun hobby for you don't let anybody stop you but I hope you aren't deluded into thinking this will accomplish anything beyond idle amusement.

 

[bou]

It does not exclude membership from religions, it has no central structure, it has no deities, it has no definite dogma, and it has no metaphysical beliefs except for undetectable, inviolable, "physical" differences between most women and most men.

I would say that the modern Healthcare system is the central structure that facilitates their beliefs by providing that heckin life affirming care. The same way they worship the warped perception of the opposite sex.

 

[Rudy Coleman]

transgenderism always strikes me as more of a fandom than a state of being or identity

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Fascism: An authoritariam movement that ruled Italy from 1922-1943.

Umberto Eco is a commie retard that is only taken seriously by equally daft retards. His 14 points of fascism is made up nonsense.

 

[Dragoon]

Any attempt to define fascism as some sort of overarching force that goes beyond literal fascism is retarded and exists solely for rhetorical purposes. Half of Eco's points don't even apply well to actual 20th century right wing governments.

You don't need to compare something to a commonly villainised political ideology for it to be bad. Things can be bad on their own.

 

[BrodyDaMan]

The funniest part of this post is that all of it also applies exactly the same way to this post itself and anyone it's attempting to represent. A troon could replicate this exact post to identify feminists as a "heinous movement that needs to be eliminated before it gains power".

Instead of this baby's first political theory attempt where you're trying to dramatize very basic in-group/out-group dynamics with references to Hitler and framing yourself as the Jews, why don't you just study what charity arms the funding for troon campaigns comes from, which NGOs are getting the money and how they are pushing it towards policy, and by identifying a corporate, economic, and financial networks, identify weak-points or single points of failures in your target country or state that you can do something against? Christopher Rufo did this for CRT academia and took at least one significant scalp eventually.

 

[armfleshween]

God, I hate it when every single form of authoritarian regime is called either communist or fascist/nazi.
BUT
I think OP might be onto something with trannies creating their own "nation" within real nations and destabilizing society for their own twisted needs. Tranny version of zionazis when?

You won't believe it but....

 

[Angry Shoes]

Wow the left is the real something something

 

[glue eater]

No, the libtards won't oppose trannies even if you call them fascist.

 

[Evilronald]

With how trooneries and genderspecial retards are spreading at an alarming rate, even being taught in elementary schools, it’s not hard to see that the future looks bleak. They will tell children that it’s special, and children love being special, and they make friends with other children who got groomed into it, and it just grows bigger as years pass. Trannies are doing something harmful to society.

I hate this evolving world with a passion, and putting a definitive stop to what they have started just seems impossible at this point.

The way out of this is home schooling and any sort of separatism we can get from modernity. You don’t see amish trannies or many trannies coming from extremely conservative religions (except for people who leave those religions). You can have a few bad apples if you’re having 7-10 kids per family.

 

[Szfynks]

You won't believe it but....

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God, I just wish butch lesbians could paraglide into some tranny event and go full intifada on them.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

While this thread does make a few interesting observations, it's main point doesn't make any sense. Maybe it will be good when it is finished, as some of the points that haven't been made yet seem interesting from the summary. However even then, Eco's 14 points of Facism seems kinda stupid to begin with.

Honestly, "cult" is a way better way to describe transgenderism because:
It does not need to exclude membership from religions. The religious transgenders are religious in name only. Maybe they will go to a church once in a while and make everyone uncomfortable, but they don't practice the values of their religion. Also, in my opinion, these religious transgenders are tolerated is because they can be used as a way to normalize transitioning in conservative religious communities. Most religions are transphobic, so as soon as the religious people start to tolerate trannies, they will probably either turn into atheists or be cut off from the wider transgender community and accused of "supporting ancient transphobic beliefs".
They definitely have something comparable to a deity. The troons pretty much worship the words of the breadtubers and troontubers as gospel. They also worship estrogen/testosterone, as it turns them into the Brave wxmyn/Tough and stunning men of theit dreams.
While it doesn't really have a central structure, it doesn't really need one. Have you ever looked at like 5 random troons and seen how similar they are? Play Guilty Gear, listen to Hasan Piker, get groomed/groom on discord, and make the shittiest art imaginable. They don't need a central structure, because even without one they tend to have some cultish sense of unity. What causes this is probably the communities that transgenders frequent.
While they don't have a centeral structure, their smaller communities are so simmilar and are so interconnected that they essentially fuctions as one centeral community. The influence of these communities is so much that they often leech onto regular communities and transform them into another Transgender Safe Space. I tried to explain this idea further but I'm tired as hell right now. I might edit this post later to do that.
A lot of their crazy beliefs, such as "gender dysphoria is real and the only solution to it is transitioning", "transition as fast as possible", & "give HRT and blockers to kids" is the Dogma. and the belief that men can be women, women can be men, and that 10 billion Nonbianary genders exist are their metaphysical beliefs