Culture Wizards considers removing Shaman and Druid from MTG over real religion comparisons - What, no QAnon Shaman?

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by Brandon Lyttle on October 5, 2023 at 11:53 AM, EDT

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Wizards of the Coast hinted that the Druid and Shaman creature types could be removed from Magic: The Gathering due to real religions which practice druidism and shamanism.

Mark Rosewater, the head designer of Magic: The Gathering since 2003 regularly answers questions about the game on his Tumblr blog. One question about how the Witch creature type was removed due to its association to a real religion led to an answer hinting at more removals in the future.

In reference to the question about using witch as a creature type: if ‘witch’ is excluded bc of its significance as a real world religious identifier, why are ‘shaman’ and ‘druid’ creature types?

We are currently examining that exact topic.

In recent years, Wizards of the Coast has been carefully removing content and language from their products to avoid accusations of racism and other forms of intolerance.

While druidism and shamanism are still practiced today, at least one user pointed out that the faiths’ representation in Magic: The Gathering counterbalances the Christian symbolism present at the game.

Please don’t phase out druids, I’ve always enjoyed seeing local Celtic culture/history represented and unlike witches they’re not a sinister depiction. If Magic can handle exaggerated fantasy clerics, angels and demons I think we deserve druids alongside them, Christian symbols have already crowded out pagan alternatives in too many places.

Druid is far less of an issue than Shaman.

Despite this, there appear to be no plans to remove angels or demons from the game.
 
You know, I just got to thinking. What if somebody with more money than sense bought the game off WotC and attempted to "fix" it?

I can already see all the hit-pieces on all the pervs / former drug dealers / ect that are associated with the pros come to light, the old "invoke prejudice" getting dragged out by reporters but on like CNN and multiple other routes information gets out these days. Like think how they are going after Twitter after Musk made the vague attempt to clean it up and seems to have been forced to start making concessions to call off the dogs? I suspect anything they can use against the game will come to surface real fast.

I wish some bastard was crazy enough to try my experiment though. I know if I had a few billion laying around burning a hole in my pocket I'd consider it.

I'd make sure Lilly had the biggest tiddy, we can get her even bigger than OG "of the Veil"... I don't know what I'd do with the reserve list. I suspect I can be like "lol I wasn't the guy that made the promise" but I'd cock tease the fuck out of them with the reprints. You know, like reasonable exploiting of gambling addicts.

Oh special anime version of her for-sure with huge knockers for the weebs...Think like the sorceress from Dragon's Crown.
 
Only pedophiles think the Sorceress is hot. Just in case it isn't obvious, I was mocking Jason Schrier.

You know I'm glad you reminded me cause I was a bit confused then I clicked the spoiler and memories came flooding back. I'm pretty sure Lilly is like 600 years old or so? (and looks late 20's?) (correct me if I'm wrong)

I prefer Nissa, moreso when she was an elf-supremacist. (another thing they retconned for the woke)
 
I can already see all the hit-pieces on all the pervs / former drug dealers / ect that are associated with the pros come to light, the old "invoke prejudice" getting dragged out by reporters but on like CNN and multiple other routes information gets out these days. Like think how they are going after Twitter after Musk made the vague attempt to clean it up and seems to have been forced to start making concessions to call off the dogs? I suspect anything they can use against the game will come to surface real fast.
To be honest I don't think the elite would care about a card game and the usual rags would be busy being bankrupt.
 
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Wizards also started using the term "typal" instead of "tribal" to refer to decks that care about a specific creature type. After all, they don't want to offend the Native Americans or sub-Saharan Africans that comprise less than 1% of their playerbase!
Also, most high profile MTG players, pros, and "content creators" are all on board with Wizards on the retarded leftist train. My favorite example is Ross Merriam.
Based MTG players exist but most keep a low profile to avoid getting banned from organized tournaments or their LGS since there is a precedent for a political banning. Quartering (before he rebranded to Quartering) ate a lifetime ban from organized MTG play. Not for having awful, boring content, but for having the wrong opinions while making awful, boring content. To contrast, most people on the lifetime ban list earned their ban for getting caught cheating multiple times (Alex Bertoncini), physical violence, or sustained tard/sperg raging without the physical violence.
MTG is still alive despite the retarded crossovers and Seattle management because the game underneath it all is really, really good (except for Commander).

I could go on a long spergy rant about how I attribute Commander to the current decline of MTG but I'll summarize it as "a tidal wave of filthy casual consoomers with deep pockets." This is most emblematic with how well Magic's crossovers (referred to as Universes Beyond, or UB for short) have sold and continue to sell. Hell, the LOTR UB set that came out earlier this year is the best selling full-size set in Magic history.

When The Walking Dead Secret Lair happened people joked about playing regular Magic cards alongside goofy out of place characters like Mickey Mouse or Spongebob. This comic made the rounds and has since become somewhat prophetic:
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Next year we're getting Fallout and Assassin's Creed crossovers. 2025 will have Final Fantasy. I wish I was joking.

In short: I hate Commander. I hate consoomers. I especially hate how much they're killing my enjoyment for a fun game I've enjoyed for over a decade.
 
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In short: I hate Commander. I hate consoomers. I especially hate how much they're killing my enjoyment for a fun hobby that has the potential to be good mental exercise.

Even worse LotR is legal in Modern... So you got The One Ring trashing everything apparently.
 
Oh dear God, I just realized that MTG has become the equivalent of collecting stamps. Just pumping shit out for people to collect but not actually play.

Same with D&D where they are trying to transform an inherently in person game into a video game.

Hasbro and Wizards simply don't know what their audience is and they don't care. They don't care about the product.
 
Gonna have to remove all the demon shit because of religious tolerance too?

No they need to remove angels cause of the inaccurate portrayals being offensive to Christians. Where are my flaming wheels of eyes? Bayonetta got the way angels look right.

They are fucking terrifying.
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Oh dear God, I just realized that MTG has become the equivalent of collecting stamps. Just pumping shit out for people to collect but not actually play.

Same with D&D where they are trying to transform an inherently in person game into a video game.

Hasbro and Wizards simply don't know what their audience is and they don't care. They don't care about the product.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner
 
But clerics, an afterlife as a concept, afterlife AS A MECHANIC, and satanic worship is ok.
Insufferably disingenuous cunts. Actually no, you dumbfucks wish you were cunts, you're dickless dicks.
Oh dear God, I just realized that MTG has become the equivalent of collecting stamps. Just pumping shit out for people to collect but not actually play.

Same with D&D where they are trying to transform an inherently in person game into a video game.

Hasbro and Wizards simply don't know what their audience is and they don't care. They don't care about the product.
The hell did you think 4E/Buildocalypse/Subscription fees/d20fag/OGLgate/etc were?
Got bad news for you, faggots. The word "magic" comes from the Old Persian magush, and is associated with the priests of a real-world religion, Zoroastrianism, which has about 100K practitioners, which is 100K more practitioners than druidism has. Guess you'll have to delete your game and kill yourselves in real life, WotC.
Actually isn't wizard as a term coined from "wise men" as in 'three wise men?'
 
Even worse LotR is legal in Modern... So you got The One Ring trashing everything apparently.
My favorite format is Legacy but I can get down with some Modern. Pauper is also great and what I recommend to new players since its cheap and has a lot of depth to it.
The One Ring is good in Legacy too. Though in Legacy Orcish Bowmasters is better. The One Ring is probably also good in Vintage since it's colorless and they have Mishra's Workshop but I'm less sure about that.
Gonna have to remove all the demon shit because of religious tolerance too?
Fun fact: In April of 1995 (MTG began in August 1993) Wizards altered the art for Unholy Strength to remove the pentagram in the background for Fourth Edition. The revised

Revised (art from Alpha, August 1993) left, 4th Edition (April 1995) right:

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Wizards also intentionally refrained from putting the text "Sacrifice a Human" on a card for the same reasons as the pentagram removal all the way up until Innistrad, which released on September 30th, 2011.
 
Fun fact: In April of 1995 (MTG began in August 1993) Wizards altered the art for Unholy Strength to remove the pentagram in the background for Fourth Edition.

Revised on the left, 4th Edition on the right:

Same reason Demonic Tutor, Demonic Hordes, Darkpact, Contract from Below, and Demonic Attorney weren't reprinted in 4th. Yet for some reason they kept Lord of the Pit around as a Summon Demon? Guess it's cause his name didn't have "demon" in it or something vaguely occult sounding?

Oh neat fact
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Summer magic Demonic Tutor got the Baphomet removed from his forehead. (Summer Magic was a set that basically was in between Revised and 4th but got recalled) Few other edits to art happened in Summer Magic too... Those cards are insanely expensive, it's basically revised with the ink color fixed but some stuff censored.
 
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I could go on a long spergy rant about how I attribute Commander to the current decline of MTG but I'll summarize it as "a tidal wave of filthy casual consoomers with deep pockets." This is most emblematic with how well Magic's crossovers (referred to as Universes Beyond, or UB for short) have sold and continue to sell. Hell, the LOTR UB set that came out earlier this year is the best selling full-size set in Magic history.
Can only speak for myself, but the Internet becoming widespread ruined it for me. No doubt it was great being able to go to websites and talk and learn meta; but that made damn near everyone in even my tiny ass area try to be quasi-pro. We couldn't just have a casual game, everything had to be tournament rules, and this was only amplified with every new release of cards, more and more shit would go on their banned/not tournament legal list; and I may be hyperbolizing a bit, but it always felt like half their cards aren't legal, while a majority of them are just useless because the meta nerds figure shit out and then everyone cookie cutters the flavor of the week. Which yes, eventually led to people just following the meta and shilling out money for the meta cards.

They destroyed their own fucking game before all the woke shit.
 
Can only speak for myself, but the Internet becoming widespread ruined it for me. No doubt it was great being able to go to websites and talk and learn meta; but that made damn near everyone in even my tiny ass area try to be quasi-pro. We couldn't just have a casual game, everything had to be tournament rules, and this was only amplified with every new release of cards, more and more shit would go on their banned/not tournament legal list; and I may be hyperbolizing a bit, but it always felt like half their cards aren't legal, while a majority of them are just useless because the meta nerds figure shit out and then everyone cookie cutters the flavor of the week. Which yes, eventually led to people just following the meta and shilling out money for the meta cards.

They destroyed their own fucking game before all the woke shit.

Sounds like you rolled up with old stuff while people were playing standard... fuck standard faggots.
 
Sounds like you rolled up with old stuff while people were playing standard... fuck standard faggots.
Very old, I remember getting into it in third grade or so because a kid at school had it. But by high-school and the Internet becoming a thing, couldn't just have a casual fucking match most of the time.
 
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I like Legacy the most since your cards never rotate out, the variety of viable decks is the widest, and its extremely interactive. Legacy greatly rewards experience. Most Legacy players agree that you'll almost always do better playing a deck you've got a lot of experience with than playing the current "best deck" in the meta. Not to mention its also the format that's most likely to have new decks spring up or old decks revitalized with every unbanning (example: High Tide with the Mind's Desire unban) or new printing.
Though I must concede kitchen table 60-card is probably the most comfy way to play. I hate losing so I'm guilty of netdecking to a degree.
If you're gonna tryhard in constructed tournaments the best thing to do is not to pick a good meta deck, but to pick a good deck for your meta. The only exception being when there's one deck that's so comically broken that nothing beats it and the correct competitive choice is to play it until it eats one or more bans.
 
I like Legacy the most since your cards never rotate out, the variety of viable decks is the widest, and its extremely interactive. Legacy greatly rewards experience. Most Legacy players agree that you'll almost always do better playing a deck you've got a lot of experience with than playing the current "best deck" in the meta. Not to mention its also the format that's most likely to have new decks spring up or old decks revitalized with every unbanning (example: High Tide with the Mind's Desire unban) or new printing.
Though I must concede kitchen table 60-card is probably the most comfy way to play. I hate losing so I'm guilty of netdecking to a degree.
If you're gonna tryhard in constructed tournaments the best thing to do is not to pick a good meta deck, but to pick a good deck for your meta. The only exception being when there's one deck that's so comically broken that nothing beats it and the correct competitive choice is to play it until it eats one or more bans.

Leovold dindu nuffin' wrong. Arcum's Astrolabe was the real problem.

Fuck that faggot Oko tho.

Unban Necropotence too. Yes I'm crazy.
 
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