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[discombobulate]

The thing is that how could you prove in a court of law that banning bright dyed hair and beards would be specifically meant to preclude troons or whatever? Or how a company with a gay CEO (assuming I'm the one that's the president of it) would be anti-LGBT?

That's not how disparate impact is judged. You're talking about disparate treatment which is intentionally discriminating against somebody in a protected class. Disparate impact is not intentional. The problem is that once the disparate impact is demonstrated the onus is on you to prove that it's justified, which is much more difficult than you apparently think. Domino's did not intend to discriminate against black men and still lost the case. Current SC precedent essentially fabricated LGBT into a protected class. If a judge ignores that and finds for the company the company will just lose on appeal.

If you go back to what you had originally said about intentionally selecting against danger hairs and troons, I'm absolutely sure that discriminating against a subset of a class based on how you think members of the class should act would be found illegal. Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins controls that.

It doesn't matter if it's in a red state. Red states and small communities are more okay with danger hair than you think; it's practically 40s spinster formal wear. And banning beards wouldn't go over well with younger educated men in red states, many of whom have beards. I feel like your idea of red states is solidly 20 years out of date. Fucking Ted Cruz grew a beard.

It's easier to discriminate against politics, as has been mentioned, though you'd want to choose a city where that isn't a problem. Even small cities can be fucky about that. I also don't think it would be good; Republicans aren't necessarily smart, especially if they are the bulk of the population.

Taking a step back from the whole dress code subject, simply establishing a gaming company outside of the major metropolitan areas, even more so in a deep red state, would do a lot to cull the soy crowd. These people are attracted to large cities like flies to shit. And as the coof has shown us, software development is one of those fields where you can actually do a lot of work remotely, so you don't even have to worry that much about attracting talent to the ass-end of Montana or whatever. Get your local tax credits for starting a business there, bring in all the people who want to come in, remote everybody else. And since the job interviews would all be online to begin with, you're justified in trawling through their social media presence.

There are more problems with this than you think. Taxes in red states are often based on land and are pretty damn high. Operating costs in rural areas are high because you don't have nearby experts and the cities where people shop are far away. Local amenities are limited. Few people want to move there, most people are moving out. Straightforward consumer software might not have a problem with remote work but hardware and time critical applications would be hard or impossible. You wouldn't be able to do high tech stuff; the infrastructure isn't there.

 

[Besachf Jhakut]

Your string of almost entirely false claims about Red states makes me wonder if your claims about the legal situation are correct. You're failing the test of things I know for an absolute fact, being born, raised, and retired to a very deep Red state part of the country, which is very capable of doing state of the art design and manufacturing from bending metal to electronics. There are of course limits, I wouldn't try to design a chip here, but then again I don't know the real details of how you do that compared to PCB level hardware. Remote for electronics development would come down to what levels of test equipment you need, that can absolutely demand centralization because that stuff isn't cheap.

You're also confounding "rural areas" with areas with both cities of various sizes, and a short drive to working farms. But you are right about some details of smaller cities; if someone is planning on moving from a massively increased crime and plague friendly big Blue city without real knowledge of destinations, they might want to rent and check out the situation for a while before buying a house and settling down.

Back to Blue states, there's only one absolute, decisive, and qualitative and by its nature quantitative advantage for just one of them, non-competes are unenforceable in California. It remains to be seen if that will be enough to keep a lot of high tech in the state, as the state's ruling class' tastes continue to cause it to decivilize and achieve effective 3rd World status in large and critical portions of it.

What do you mean by "time critical applications?" Real time, or getting software done quickly?

 

[discombobulate]

Your string of almost entirely false claims about Red states makes me wonder if your claims about the legal situation are correct. You're failing the test of things I know for an absolute fact, being born, raised, and retired to a very deep Red state part of the country, which is very capable of doing state of the art design and manufacturing from bending metal to electronics. There are of course limits, I wouldn't try to design a chip here, but then again I don't know the real details of how you do that compared to PCB level hardware. Remote for electronics development would come down to what levels of test equipment you need, that can absolutely demand centralization because that stuff isn't cheap.

You're also confounding "rural areas" with areas with both cities of various sizes, and a short drive to working farms. But you are right about some details of smaller cities; if someone is planning on moving from a massively increased crime and plague friendly big Blue city without real knowledge of destinations, they might want to rent and check out the situation for a while before buying a house and settling down.

Back to Blue states, there's only one absolute, decisive, and qualitative advantage in just one of them, non-competes are unenforceable in California. It remains to be seen if that will be enough to keep a lot of "high tech" in the state.

What do you mean by "time critical applications?" Real time, or getting software done quickly?

I was responding to a mention of "the ass-end of Montana" so I didn't think nearby cities were implied. Sure, if you're near a city you don't have to worry as much about practical difficulties but there are still issues with the supply of labor (labor markets tend to be very tight there) and land taxes. Other taxes might not be as high or even exist but income overall is also lower. A lot of suburbs also have absolutely retarded politics.

Electronics design and manufacturing are a different deal than a lot of other tech and I doubt that troons and soy boys are a problem anywhere in manufacturing and need to be selected against. The skills can be taught locally or regionally more easily than for other tech jobs, where a common "in" is to go to a university, which isn't always nearby and often contributes to the soy/troon problem. Moving out to the city and then back to a town to start a tech business intending on taking on employees is laudable but hard and risky. You don't necessarily have the local talent immediately available and you're banking on other people wanting to move back. The sad fact is that most people don't want to move back to their small towns over staying in cities. Whatever you think of cities it doesn't change the fact that rural flight and decline is an ongoing thing that is unlikely to stop anytime soon.

There's simply no way high end research in things like materials, electronics, robotics could work without easy access to college graduates and universities.

For time critical things I'm talking about stuff with a tight turnaround time; not as much just software but hardware. Rural shipping can be atrocious and county roads blow.

It's obviously untrue that blue states have just one advantage. There's no way all those companies in cities would just ignore the gold mine you think it is.

 

[AnOminous]

The problem is that once the disparate impact is demonstrated the onus is on you to prove that it's justified, which is much more difficult than you apparently think.

You can avoid Title VII claims by using independent contractors. Or having less than 15 employees. Disparate impact is subject to burden shifting after the plaintiff shows an actual disparate impact, which is itself difficult to show. There are of course state laws that give much greater protections.

 

[Besachf Jhakut]

There's no way all those companies in cities would just ignore the gold mine you think it is.

Just like they don't tolerate SJWs destroying their companies from the inside? Your assumption that company management is rational, beyond the "what's in it for me" for those successful in playing the internal politics game is belied by way too much history all of us know. It's also ludicrous to think the Blue tribe would seek opportunity in areas the Red tribe has nominal control over.

Unfortunately I obviously can't provide the direct counterexamples I know about without doxxing myself, but how, in your worldview, did Wichita, Kansas become such a center for aircraft? There's got to be other examples.

 

[Corn Flakes]

For the record, I didn't mean "ass-end of Montana" literally. That's why I added "or whatever". It was just the first place to come to mind since while I live in a deep blue state I actually had to visit Montana for work a couple of times in the past and the places I visited outside of the major cities (as far as any city is "major" in that state) were very conservative in general.

 

[jimsterlingspronoun]

most of these companies are hypocritical pieces of shit, the company i work at bang on constantly about lbgt rights etc surprisingly not in their offices in muslim countries... because 'we have to comply with local sensitivities'.

So in other words its ok to be a bigot so long as its in a muslim country.

Theg also bang on about the need for divesity despite the fact about 60% are indians born in India/pakistan and another 10% are foreigners. ( I know becsuse we have to wear badges that tell us if you are foreign).

If they truely cared about diversity they would have to start hiring local people.

 

[Saigon63]

Coinbase is shitbag central for crypto wallets.
Bleeding edge is at assembly, errthing connected.
Sys Admin knowledge = big money

sys admin jobs = tons of bullshit nuance

 

[Least Concern]

Another anti-woke success (?) story along the lines of Coinbase:

Basecamp makes collaboration systems for remote workers and the like. For over a decade they apparently had a list circulating internally which contained amusing names of clients that the customer support and presumably other teams had encountered, but as wokeness has grown, some employees started raising a stink that the list was basically making fun of what were sometimes "ethnic" names. Okay, fair enough, it's immature and, if nothing else, it's not really cool to be spreading client PII around like that. However, CEO Jason Fried took exception to the fact that one employee punctuated their discussion of the name list with the ADL's pyramid of hate, implicitly stating that circulating the list was putting people on the inevitable road to committing genocide, and decided to ban political discussion in the workplace (presumably this was the last straw). This article about the story (a) is mostly readable despite being from The Verge and including things like "the company’s profit-sharing plan gave more profits to people who have longer tenure — a group that is majority white and male." (Please tell me, esteemed Verge writer, a better way to distribute profits than to those with tenure. Should it be done randomly? Or should we go ahead and take race and gender into account? Go ahead, say it.)

This of course pissed off the expected people, so earlier this week, execs announced they'd be giving employees a buyout option (a) for up to six months of pay for those that couldn't tolerate not being able to rant politically at work anymore, pretty much the same offer Coinbase made. And today we find that apparently one-third (a) of employees have taken the buyout with possibly more to come. Don't let the door etc. etc.

 

[AnOminous]

And today we find that apparently one-third (a) of employees have taken the buyout with possibly more to come. Don't let the door etc. etc.

It's amazing to think a full third of any supposedly functioning company is cancerous fucktards who can't shut the fuck up about their woke bullshit to the point they're literally paying them to fuck off.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I'm glad to see Basecamp creating so many new job openings in this depressed economy. Good on them, I hope they find good people.

 

[clownworld]

This could ruin the company. Losing 1/3rd of the staff is one thing. Just wait till all the shitlibs coerce their employers to dump the basedcamp nazis as a collaboration platform.

 

[AnOminous]

This could ruin the company. Losing 1/3rd of the staff is one thing. Just wait till all the shitlibs coerce their employers to dump the basedcamp nazis as a collaboration platform.

Chemo is rarely fun.

 

[Kane Lives]

This could ruin the company. Losing 1/3rd of the staff is one thing. Just wait till all the shitlibs coerce their employers to dump the basedcamp nazis as a collaboration platform.

Unlikely tbh. Especially with how they been couching their language so far. They been very careful to frame this "work only, no personal politics involved on company time".

I find it telling that Basecamp found it cheaper to pay them to fuck off publically, rather than deal with it in a more quiet manner (letting contracts run out, simply promoting other non-problem candidates). My gut feeling was that there was an attempted coup behind the scenes, or at least some very ugly confrontations.

 

[AnOminous]

I find it telling that Basecamp found it cheaper to pay them to fuck off publically, rather than deal with it in a more quiet manner (letting contracts run out, simply promoting other non-problem candidates).

Every one of those people who took the buyout will have it publicly known, because of their own actions, that they're too fucking retarded to employ as they do nothing but sperg about politics at work.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

At the risk of using a pun, I think these “diversity in tech” initiatives don’t always compute well with modern technology, since most IT professionals and/or tech engineers don’t have the knowledge, or are literally confused as to what a person’s skin color or gender has to do with making (or revamping) ways on making current day technology more accessible to all people around the globe.

Plus, there’s people in poor countries and/or bad places that live under the poverty line that can’t even afford Internet usage, or don‘t even know how the Internet works.

Theg also bang on about the need for divesity despite the fact about 60% are indians born in India/pakistan and another 10% are foreigners. ( I know becsuse we have to wear badges that tell us if you are foreign).

If they truely cared about diversity they would have to start hiring local people.

Our U.S. government likes to care about “Build Back Better”, yet in the first few months 50,000-100,000+ jobs were lost due to outsourcing, along with the whole “LEARN TO CODE” mantra that is usually said towards people that used to work in coal mining or nuclear plants.

 

[Bongocat]

Unlikely tbh. Especially with how they been couching their language so far. They been very careful to frame this "work only, no personal politics involved on company time".

I find it telling that Basecamp found it cheaper to pay them to fuck off publically, rather than deal with it in a more quiet manner (letting contracts run out, simply promoting other non-problem candidates). My gut feeling was that there was an attempted coup behind the scenes, or at least some very ugly confrontations.

I work with several small to mid sized software companies, some of which have collapsed because of woke spergouts that ousted all of their all competent people from high positions over literally fucking nothing. Yes, these people do gather in dark back rooms and discuss how best to kill off the entire backbone of the organization. They are pure unmitigated evil and they would likely be executed if they tried to do this to most government organizations. There's a decent chance the same thing was going to happen here.

 

[seri0us]

Not every transsexual is a tranny

 

[Shoggoth]

I work with several small to mid sized software companies, some of which have collapsed because of woke spergouts that ousted all of their all competent people from high positions over literally fucking nothing. Yes, these people do gather in dark back rooms and discuss how best to kill off the entire backbone of the organization. They are pure unmitigated evil and they would likely be executed if they tried to do this to most government organizations. There's a decent chance the same thing was going to happen here.

It seems like it was happening, and the communication and organization were on company infra. I hope this emboldens other firms to act similarly. The emotional energy of the revolution is spent. It's running on fumes.
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[Tom Myers]

I work at a software consultancy and it's full of the woke people on the chat talking about race stuff. There was a big thread about the Chauvin trial and one of the participants was talking about white supremacy and this individual was also on the "diversity committee". I'm tempted to throw a preemptive block.

In some weird way, a citizenship requirement is enough to yoke some teams back towards 90% white.