Wokeness in Tech - (Rainbow-washed logo) Targeting bleeding-edge architectures to facilitate viral niches and strategize best-of-breed networks #BlackLivesMatter

[JohnDoe]

Just find some dumb coded way to imply you're a social or sexual or racial minority, that doesn't actually say you are, and get responses. They're virtue signaling, virtual signal back, and nobody actually cares. You're really an Indian, did you know that? The fact that you don't fuck on the first date means you're demisexual. Whatever.

Exactly. What are they going to do, try to invalidate your lived experience and self identification?

 

[Bongocat]

When you say "recruiter companies," do you mean HR software vendors like Workday? Or job search sites like Linkedin/Indeed/etc.? Or something else?

When you go to a companies webpage and click on "jobs" it will usually take you to a listings page and you click on the position you want. That will take you off to a different site where you actually upload your resume/cover letter/details. Apparently, these applications don't just go straight to the employer, but according to my friend, are instead "curated". According to him, they are starting to use race as a factor in this for "equity". The system is opt-out rather than opt-in, so the employer has to explicitly go in and say "no I don't want diversity". If it works like everything else these days, it's not going to hide your resume from the employer per-se, but the employer will log in and it will go " here's your top 10 picks for today! " and white job seekers are less likely to be on that list.

For his company, he says that this system is not fully implemented yet and the roll-out is slow. However, I've learned that all these companies are roughly in sync with their actions. If one is doing it, that means others are too and possibly already started earlier this year.

Now, TO BE FAIR with this, I described to him my specific situation and he said that sounds too extreme even for this system and he thinks it's likely that I'm triggering some kind of spam filter by accident. Unless the AI is just wildly incompetent, I don't see how that could be.

 

[AnOminous]

According to him, they are starting to use race as a factor in this for "equity".

Note, this is facially illegal. The instant anyone takes this to court, it will not even be a case of first impression, but just a case of get woke, literally go broke.

 

[Bongocat]

Note, this is facially illegal. The instant anyone takes this to court, it will not even be a case of first impression, but just a case of get woke, literally go broke.

In the email they dropped, they said multiple times they were working "very closely with their legal team" every step of the way. It sounds like they're looking for technical loopholes to make this not so blatant. The end result though is exactly what's described.

 

[Kosher Dill]

The instant anyone takes this to court, it will not even be a case of first impression, but just a case of get woke, literally go broke.

Perhaps, but who wants to get publicly branded Infinity Hitler for the rest of their life even if they win the case?
James Damore might (might) have scored a nice settlement from Google, but he's not working anymore and I doubt the settlement was enough that he's set for life.

 

[AnOminous]

In the email they dropped, they said multiple times they were working "very closely with their legal team" every step of the way. It sounds like they're looking for technical loopholes to make this not so blatant. The end result though is exactly what's described.

The fact they admitted it's illegal and they're hiring lawyers to avoid liability for their illegal behavior does not exactly work in their favor.

Perhaps, but who wants to get publicly branded Infinity Hitler for the rest of their life even if they win the case?

Someone who wants enough money they never need work again in their lives?

 

[seri0us]

Perhaps, but who wants to get publicly branded Infinity Hitler for the rest of their life even if they win the case?

ME

 

[Bongocat]

The fact they admitted it's illegal and they're hiring lawyers to avoid liability for their illegal behavior does not exactly work in their favor.

Someone who wants enough money they never need work again in their lives?

I know California has horrific laws that actually make hiring based on race legal correct? In fact I believe it's enforced. Could they be using that to 'export' this result to the rest of the country?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Someone who wants enough money they never need work again in their lives?

Sure, if you can get it. Damore went after the deepest pockets around and now he's just sitting around in his mom's basement playing Magic The Gathering, as far as I can tell. I think a lot of people would prefer working for a living and making a software developer's salary, if the alternative is never working but eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese off of paper plates the rest of your life.

 

[AnOminous]

I know California has horrific laws that actually make hiring based on race legal correct? In fact I believe it's enforced. Could they be using that to 'export' this result to the rest of the country?

California can do whatever they like. The Constitution says otherwise. They'll eventually pay for this bullshit, much as they did with the Bakke case. This shit is entirely and clearly illegal.

Sure, if you can get it. Damore went after the deepest pockets around and now he's just sitting around in his mom's basement playing Magic The Gathering, as far as I can tell. I think a lot of people would prefer working for a living and making a software developer's salary, if the alternative is never working but eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese off of paper plates the rest of your life.

And he's doing it while sitting on his ass farting through a pillow made of Benjamins.

 

[Least Concern]

And he's doing it while sitting on his ass farting through a pillow made of Benjamins.

Not everybody will have as clear cut a case as Damore had, though, especially when it comes to why you weren't hired in the first place. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that the only reason you weren't hired was because of your race, and not because you don't have enough experience in a certain tech or whatever other completely valid reason not to hire someone they might have. Technically it's also illegal in many places for a criminal record to also be a reason not to hire anyone, but it's effectively impossible to enforce that for the same reason.

"But that's illegal!" doesn't stop 90% of drivers from speeding, or 70% of high school students from drinking or smoking pot, or 95% of Silicon Valley companies from using race as a basis for hiring. (Numbers pulled from my ass but they're probably close.)

 

[Syaoran Li]

Not everybody will have as clear cut a case as Damore had, though, especially when it comes to why you weren't hired in the first place. The burden of proof would be on you to prove that the only reason you weren't hired was because of your race, and not because you don't have enough experience in a certain tech or whatever other completely valid reason not to hire someone they might have. Technically it's also illegal in many places for a criminal record to also be a reason not to hire anyone, but it's effectively impossible to enforce that for the same reason.

"But that's illegal!" doesn't stop 90% of drivers from speeding, or 70% of high school students from drinking or smoking pot, or 95% of Silicon Valley companies from using race as a basis for hiring. (Numbers pulled from my ass but they're probably close.)

With large corporations, you're dead on the money.

With smaller and mid-sized boutique tech companies like @Rusty Crab mentioned, the mere presence of a lawsuit might be enough to scare them or get them to settle.

 

[Least Concern]

With smaller and mid-sized boutique tech companies like @Rusty Crab mentioned, the mere presence of a lawsuit might be enough to scare them or get them to settle.

I guess? I don't think you'd be getting set-for-life money out of Sneed's Feed, Seed, & Android Apps though. All of the career ruination with almost none of the upside.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I guess? I don't think you'd be getting set-for-life money out of Sneed's Feed, Seed, & Android Apps though. All of the career ruination with almost none of the upside.

At the very least, if you did get a settlement, it'd probably be enough to move out of California

 

[Cool Dog]

Shit I would've given them a severance at all, just tell them to quit or get fired and we will make public the fact they got the boot for being toxic, undisciplined and trying to extort the company. I would rather spend the severance money on SEO and bloggers to push this so that the moment you google their names the first 10 pages are nothing but what shit employees these people are so they never ever get hired again

I am absolutely under the belief that there is a coordinated effort to undermine tech entities. Some collusion is happening somewhere.

I disagree, there's no need for coordination when the phenomenon is entirely self-organizing. You've got organizations staffed by brokebrained autists with more money than sense, why is it surprising that they'll latch onto anyone promising Good Boy Points and tendies if they say the right woke phrases?

There is collusion, you got tens of NGOs running a racket on these companies. They dont just tell you to hire more transexual dolphins, they make you pay them to go and waste your employees' time boring them to death with woke bullshit, do workshops, talks, etc. All at hundreds if not thousands of dollars per hour

Its a massive grift, they are not doing all this shit for free, much less for a cause. Its always about the fucking money. The cunt that coined the "white fragility" shit and is herself white charges like $80,000 per talk, and if you refuse you're gonna get a shitstorm on social media. She's like the fucking mob selling "insurance".

They already take your account away if you make a payment by Bitcoin to anyone even remotely politically incorrect.

I assume the CEO is just saying that they won't put a 10% tax on all transactions and give it to organizations advocating for pedophile acceptance, at least until 2025 or so.

If you're so retarded to keep your coins in an online wallet you deserve whatever happens, and most of the time its their shitty servers getting hacked and now all your coins are gone

Look at all these people who are pushing for social justice in tech, they all write shitty front-end code in their pretend languages using other people's code (lol @ left-pad and is-even) and they have no fucking clue what they're writing or how it works.

It is a circle of nepotism and mediocrity, the moment one of these fuckers gets in they start hiring all their friends until they basically run a chunk of the company

Its a virus

Now Armstrong says that 60 employees accepted the package

This is true privilege, being able to simply walk away from an already great paying job with fucking half a year severance over politics that are not even the company's but outside politics!. The people who do this shit are no victims, real victims cant afford these life decisions. They are part of the 1%, they are the spoiled kids, they are the ones in the ol' boy networks of ivy league colleges who get to fail upwards

Any wonder why they hate meritocracy? in a true meritocracy they would be flipping burgers, maybe not even that

It is a pretty scary thought of how many woke tech workers would rather bolshy it up

Bolshing it up would be donating their salary or demanding the company becomes a non-profit coop. These rich fuckers live in luxury apartments with 24/7 security and freak the fuck out at the sight of poor people. They are upper class and want to keep going up, they dont want to change the system but dont want to feel guilty about all the shit they do so they focus on aesthetics and empty platitudes such as diversity since with that you dont have to let go of your very real class privilege

It's a good thing the Raspberry Pi has actual use versus a Chromebook which may not be stable with any non google Linux at all.

The problem is that the rpi has become a standard. You got tons of other SBC that are cheaper, more powerful and without the woke AIDS. But they dont have even a fraction of the support the rpi has, most of the software you see for the rpi wont even run on an orangepi or an odroid board.

Exactly. What are they going to do, try to invalidate your lived experience and self identification?

They are all about "rules for thee", see how they trashed apple's diversity cunt even though she was a woman and black

Shit, you got white as fuck gated community antifags lecturing black guys from the ghetto, their narrative goes out the window the moment a minority says wrongthink

Note, this is facially illegal. The instant anyone takes this to court, it will not even be a case of first impression, but just a case of get woke, literally go broke.

Say that to damore, that case was so fucking obvious and yet google won

 

[malt ipecac]

@SIGSEGV do you think you could help get this thread on a watchlist?

 

[AnOminous]

Say that to damore, that case was so fucking obvious and yet google won

No they didn't, they settled. I doubt it was for free or even nuisance value. Even minor bad publicity for a company like Google means tens or hundreds of millions of dollars lost. They quite obviously paid him off. He'd have had to be an enormous fool to take anything less than six or seven figures.

I bet they also paid off that troon Chevalier.

 

[melty]

What stops the companies from flagging something like "degree from BYU" as "undesirable" and getting away with it? We all know that's basically code for "white people" without saying "white people", what stops them from flagging various things like that without actually looking at race and gender?

From the few journo shit articles (so take with a grain of salt) I've read about "bias in machine learning" that's how this shit works but in reverse, the AI pick up on some feminist or ethnic organization or even just certain terms that are used mainly by women as being associated with lower quality candidates and start discriminating against those keywords and therefore those candidates. Why can't they do that on purpose and exclude white male coded words and organizations, like my BYU example? Or just resumes that are worded more "masculine"?

I've interacted with some of these headhunter/recruiter companies and anecdotally they are absolutely stocked with young white women and therefore are likely into woke bullshit to some degree, so I can believe what @Rusty Crab is saying.

 

[gooseberry-picker]

What stops the companies from flagging something like "degree from BYU" as "undesirable" and getting away with it? We all know that's basically code for "white people" without saying "white people", what stops them from flagging various things like that without actually looking at race and gender?

From the few journo shit articles (so take with a grain of salt) I've read about "bias in machine learning" that's how this shit works but in reverse, the AI pick up on some feminist or ethnic organization or even just certain terms that are used mainly by women as being associated with lower quality candidates and start discriminating against those keywords and therefore those candidates. Why can't they do that on purpose and exclude white male coded words and organizations, like my BYU example? Or just resumes that are worded more "masculine"?

I've interacted with some of these headhunter/recruiter companies and anecdotally they are absolutely stocked with young white women and therefore are likely into woke bullshit to some degree, so I can believe what @Rusty Crab is saying.

Fuck, I sure hope that example doesn't come to pass... Fucking imagine being such a zealot in this new woke religion that you are triggered by the mere notion of someone in an alternative cult.

 

[AnOminous]

What stops the companies from flagging something like "degree from BYU" as "undesirable" and getting away with it? We all know that's basically code for "white people" without saying "white people", what stops them from flagging various things like that without actually looking at race and gender?

Nothing, so long as you were very careful never explicitly to say that, just like nothing keeps you from chucking a resume from Evergreen straight into the trash. There are places, like ironically enough California, where employers can't retaliate for off-work political activity, but outside of those, you could even just explicitly refuse to hire any Republicans, or Democrats. If they could prove by direct evidence or inference this was coded racial discrimination, or discrimination against sex (or gender identity in places with that), ore religious or national origin discrimination, or any other class protected by local law, you could be in trouble.