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Anyway, which WoW race best represents the nadir of Blizzard's shitty writing?
Most Consistently Disrepected:
Gnomes. Poor bastards are scientific masterminds turned desperate but able refugees, and there's basically nothing good done with them. The Devs mostly talk about punting them.

Worst Plot Twist:
Draenor Draenei turning comically evil via off-screen time skip is amazingly bad writing. Like, fuck, these are characters people got attached to, you bastards, and you can make good descent to darkness stories, you have in the past.

Most Broken Premise:
Orcs, and to a lesser extent the Horde. The orcs are supposed to be an innocent, noble people corrupted by demons and by now they are just clearly primed and ready to genocide at any point. They can't even blame demons, Mag'har do it half the time without even being prompted. You just can't ignore the orc's natural tendency to chimp out at the slightest provocation.
 
you can make good descent to darkness stories, you have in the past.
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the people that could make good descent to darkness stories have fucked off long time, they can always harp on arthas arc but with X character anytime but it will be pointed out.
Orcs, and to a lesser extent the Horde. The orcs are supposed to be an innocent, noble people corrupted by demons and by now they are just clearly primed and ready to genocide at any point. They can't even blame demons, Mag'har do it half the time without even being prompted. You just can't ignore the orc's natural tendency to chimp out at the slightest provocation.
orcs weren't really written to be dindus, they were written to be honorable warriors until mannoroth but it's true that they are basically norf american niggers to waagh at anything, even jokes they laugh at.
what is still funny is them keeping the whole interbreeding aspect silent, they kept it conveniently around for certain characters but now they might pull it out of incompetence or sexual deviancy from whoever is writing it, i'm still glad that undead folk weren't rewritten to be able to breed considering one specific waifufaggot in the writing team.
 
I'm still pissed at what they did with the Tauren, personally; they took a badass race and made their leader into this gigantic idiot who has backstabbed the Horde several times, and the Tauren themselves are constantly getting the shit kicked out of them by the Alliance, and yet... no one really seems to care.

Meanwhile, the Pandaren seem to have just... vanished entirely. I can't remember them ever being a part of a major story since Mists, and there really hasn't been any major content with them last I checked.

Bit weird, really; given that one is Injun-inspired, and the other is Chinese, you figure Blizzard would do something with them.
 
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Meanwhile, the Pandaren seem to have just... vanished entirely. I can't remember them ever being a part of a major story since Mists, and there really hasn't been any major content with them last I checked.

Bit weird, really; given that one is Injun-inspired, and the other is Chinese, you figure Blizzard would do something with them.
Thank god that Blizzard forgot about them. That way they won't get defiled like the other races have.
 
I'm still pissed at what they did with the Tauren, personally; they took a badass race and made their leader into this gigantic idiot who has backstabbed the Horde several times, and the Tauren themselves are constantly getting the shit kicked out of them by the Alliance, and yet... no one really seems to care.
I’m hoping Baine gets an arc in DF where he encounters the Maruuk, is supermega racist about it because kalimdor centaur are abominations, but ultimately realizes the Maruuk aren’t like the centaur the bloodhooves have fought for centuries.
 
I'm still pissed at what they did with the Tauren, personally; they took a badass race and made their leader into this gigantic idiot who has backstabbed the Horde several times, and the Tauren themselves are constantly getting the shit kicked out of them by the Alliance, and yet... no one really seems to care.

Meanwhile, the Pandaren seem to have just... vanished entirely. I can't remember them ever being a part of a major story since Mists, and there really hasn't been any major content with them last I checked.

Bit weird, really; given that one is Injun-inspired, and the other is Chinese, you figure Blizzard would do something with them.
Tauren and pandaren were my two favorite races while I played (tauren because I liked the big cow people, pandaren because I have loved pandas since I saw them at the zoo when I was very little), and yeah, they got done dirty. Tauren are barely a part of the story, and when they are, they're just getting beaten down some more (never forget Camp Taurajo). And pandaren have been almost completely forgotten about after their expansion. I'll grant that they did get a lot of story in that time period, a whole continent's worth, but it's like they just didn't have any idea what to do with them after the fact.

It's like, despite having a couple dozen playable races now, Blizzard still can't get beyond the whole "orcs vs. humans" thing (aside from Danuser's obvious thirst for his undead waifu). If you're a fan of any other race, you're just along for the ride while Human #782 leads the charge against Orc #891. Either they're too lazy to bother trying to incorporate other races into their stories, or they're too incompetent.
 
Thank god that Blizzard forgot about them. That way they won't get defiled like the other races have.
I don't know what they could do with the Pandaren that the CCP would find acceptable. Though they also lost favor with them already I just don't think Blizz has the spine to actually make commentary about anything.
 
Tauren and pandaren were my two favorite races while I played (tauren because I liked the big cow people, pandaren because I have loved pandas since I saw them at the zoo when I was very little), and yeah, they got done dirty. Tauren are barely a part of the story, and when they are, they're just getting beaten down some more (never forget Camp Taurajo). And pandaren have been almost completely forgotten about after their expansion. I'll grant that they did get a lot of story in that time period, a whole continent's worth, but it's like they just didn't have any idea what to do with them after the fact.

Yeah, the Tauren and Pandaren are my favorites in WoW as well; the former because they're a bunch of pretty awesome-looking minotaurs and make great warriors, and the latter because, well, they're a joke race of fatass panda people that nonetheless can be a blast to play with. Hell, I'm planning on making another Pandaren in the near future; don't exactly intend to give Blizzard much of my money, mind, I just want to explore.

I don't know what they could do with the Pandaren that the CCP would find acceptable. Though they also lost favor with them already I just don't think Blizz has the spine to actually make commentary about anything.

Probably a good thing, tbh; keep the "Mother of the People" out of shit they shouldn't be a part of. "Grass mud horse".
 
Worst Plot Twist:
Draenor Draenei turning comically evil via off-screen time skip is amazingly bad writing. Like, fuck, these are characters people got attached to, you bastards, and you can make good descent to darkness stories, you have in the past.
Thats very on brand for WoW.

Spend an entire expansion focusing on a character(Yrel) only to complete forget it exists next expansion except when you need to fill in 2 minutes of throw away plotline.

Meanwhile, the Pandaren seem to have just... vanished entirely. I can't remember them ever being a part of a major story since Mists, and there really hasn't been any major content with them last I checked.
Pandas and MOP was one gigantic CCP dick sucking fest by Blizzard, thats literally the only reason that xpac was Chinese themed.

Worked out amazing for them in the end though!
 
Thats very on brand for WoW.

Spend an entire expansion focusing on a character(Yrel) only to complete forget it exists next expansion except when you need to fill in 2 minutes of throw away plotline.


Pandas and MOP was one gigantic CCP dick sucking fest by Blizzard, thats literally the only reason that xpac was Chinese themed.

Worked out amazing for them in the end though!

I remember, wasn't there some drama of the devs making the pre-release Pandaren "too Japanese"? I remember reading that the Pandaren were originally more Japanese-themed initially, before some people found out and demanded that Blizzard change them.
 
I remember, wasn't there some drama of the devs making the pre-release Pandaren "too Japanese"? I remember reading that the Pandaren were originally more Japanese-themed initially, before some people found out and demanded that Blizzard change them.

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I dunno. this was back then when people tend to confuse the two cultures like Mortal Kombat. Pandas were meant to be a joke race since they only appeared in a secret mission in WC3.
 
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Since we're discussing races and how nu-Blizzard's incompetent writing handles them.
I do agree with people picking Gnomes, Undead and Taurens as prime examples of Blizzards writing screwing them over,
I would even add Night Elves to that group.

But if I could put a sub-race that has been written very poorly to the point
it's bit frustrating, it would be Void Elves.

Aside from being some "epic subversion" from Blizzard to include High Elves to Alliance, instead you know
just making regular High Elves playable for Alliance like players wanted;

I really cannot buy a race and their leader being really that stupid.

Their whole premise is:
>Start fucking around with void magic as a "fight fire with fire" solution because of Scourge almost committing Total Elf Death

>Get warned by Blood Elf leaders that if they keep fucking around with it, they'll be kicked out because the last thing belfs
want is Total Elf Death caused by the Void after dealing with the Scourge

>Fucks with void magic anyways, belfs kick them out as they said they would


>Get butthurt about it, go practice void magic elsewhere, get absorbed into the Void,
and would be gone forever if Alleria didn't rescue them

>Even after all that shit, Alleria and void elves still have the audacity of wanting the Blood Elves to let them back in Silvermoon,
despite Nightborne recruitment scenario showing even if you have void powers under control, the void creatures will be drawn to you
no matter what and because of that the Sunwell almost got fucked.

And the worse part about it is that Blood Elves are depicted as "bad" for being

hostile about the idea of Void Elves returning to Silvermoon while Void Elves are depicted as good because "they're hecking breaking the norms!!1!
despite Blood Elves being 100% justified about their choice after dealing with the Scourge.

Idk, I am just tired of this modern writing ,where the writer wants me to sympathize with really stupid characters whose premise is them
playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes and not wanting to face the conquences of it; And anyone that tries to make those characters face
their conquences is bad.
 
Since we're discussing races and how nu-Blizzard's incompetent writing handles them.
I do agree with people picking Gnomes, Undead and Taurens as prime examples of Blizzards writing screwing them over,
I would even add Night Elves to that group.

But if I could put a sub-race that has been written very poorly to the point
it's bit frustrating, it would be Void Elves.

Aside from being some "epic subversion" from Blizzard to include High Elves to Alliance, instead you know
just making regular High Elves playable for Alliance like players wanted;

I really cannot buy a race and their leader being really that stupid.

Their whole premise is:
>Start fucking around with void magic as a "fight fire with fire" solution because of Scourge almost committing Total Elf Death

>Get warned by Blood Elf leaders that if they keep fucking around with it, they'll be kicked out because the last thing belfs
want is Total Elf Death caused by the Void after dealing with the Scourge

>Fucks with void magic anyways, belfs kick them out as they said they would


>Get butthurt about it, go practice void magic elsewhere, get absorbed into the Void,
and would be gone forever if Alleria didn't rescue them

>Even after all that shit, Alleria and void elves still have the audacity of wanting the Blood Elves to let them back in Silvermoon,
despite Nightborne recruitment scenario showing even if you have void powers under control, the void creatures will be drawn to you
no matter what and because of that the Sunwell almost got fucked.

And the worse part about it is that Blood Elves are depicted as "bad" for being

hostile about the idea of Void Elves returning to Silvermoon while Void Elves are depicted as good because "they're hecking breaking the norms!!1!
despite Blood Elves being 100% justified about their choice after dealing with the Scourge.

Idk, I am just tired of this modern writing ,where the writer wants me to sympathize with really stupid characters whose premise is them
playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes and not wanting to face the conquences of it; And anyone that tries to make those characters face
their conquences is bad.

!00% Agree. At the very least, WoW's failing is making sure that the devs aren't going to be able to really monetize the shit out of the game; slightly depressing seeing this former internet giant fall like this, but much like Neopets and other games, going woke only speeds up the inevitable.

Now if only GW2 would go the same way, these days...

EDIT: Is there a board where we could discuss the shit that ANet has done with GW2 these days? Because some of the crap that the devs pulled deserves its own board, I think.
 
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!00% Agree. At the very least, WoW's failing is making sure that the devs aren't going to be able to really monetize the shit out of the game; slightly depressing seeing this former internet giant fall like this, but much like Neopets and other games, going woke only speeds up the inevitable.

Now if only GW2 would go the same way, these days...

EDIT: Is there a board where we could discuss the shit that ANet has done with GW2 these days? Because some of the crap that the devs pulled deserves its own board, I think.
I know it might not be the right place to ask you this, but could you elaborate a bit about what Anet did with GW2? I took a long break from the game, so I missed a ton of drama, I think. I know there was this one writer that got fired for being a cunt... and some alphabet characters annoying players in the story.

Since WoW news are a bit slow at the moment, I would really appreciate it if you could shed some more light on Anet's failures!
 
And the worse part about it is that Blood Elves are depicted as "bad" for being
hostile about the idea of Void Elves returning to Silvermoon while Void Elves are depicted as good because "they're hecking breaking the norms!!1!
despite Blood Elves being 100% justified about their choice after dealing with the Scourge.

Idk, I am just tired of this modern writing ,where the writer wants me to sympathize with really stupid characters whose premise is them
playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes and not wanting to face the conquences of it; And anyone that tries to make those characters face
their conquences is bad.
No, you don't understand, you have to let the 13% into your town, and the horde of illegals into your country, and you have to let the horror show known as a drag queen chop off your kid's dick, or you're the bad guy and literally Hitler.

They're getting the shit writing ideas from somewhere.
 
I know it might not be the right place to ask you this, but could you elaborate a bit about what Anet did with GW2? I took a long break from the game, so I missed a ton of drama, I think. I know there was this one writer that got fired for being a cunt... and some alphabet characters annoying players in the story.

Since WoW news are a bit slow at the moment, I would really appreciate it if you could shed some more light on Anet's failures!

To make a long story short, Anet has been doing the exact same thing with GW2 that Blizzard's been doing with WoW; completely fucking over the story and lore in favor of shoving alphabet characters and wokeshit into the game.

While I can't comment on the first two expansions - Path of Fire and Heart of Thorns, I haven't exactly been able to go through them in quite a while - the story for the Icebrood Saga and especially End of Dragons is so thoroughly crammed full of troon shit that the game becomes practically impossible to enjoy. To break it down a bit:

Icebrood was where Anet's shitty story practices really began to shine; the expansion focuses on dealing with a Charr civil war, with two in particular - a Charr commander known as Bangar Ruinbringer, and Ryland Brimstone, the child of Rytlock, leading something of a civil war against the High Legions. The two had different motives; Bangar was apparently looking to secure an Elder Dragon of their own, as he had apparently been growing suspicious/jealous of the PC's own Elder Dragon ally, Aurene. Meanwhile, Ryland... I legit can't figure out, the kid just seemed like an idiot.

It seemed like a solid set-up, with the story making it clear that both sides have some legit grievances; however, it all very quickly went to complete hell shortly afterwards. Bangar was made out to be an insane and violent racist and fascist who would happily destroy everything for power, turning massive amounts of Charr into minions for the Elder Dragon Jormag, (who was very explicitly made out to be non-binary for some reason, which the characters went well out of their way to respect because apparently pronouns take priority over destroying the fucking planet); these mutated Charr became known as the Frost Legion. Meanwhile, longtime fan-favorite reasonable authority figure Smodur the Unflinching went from a calm, experienced commander to an insane psychopath who tried to cause a second Searing, apparently to "gain an edge" against the Frost Legion; he was swiftly killed and replaced by some "strong, independent wamen" Charr that I legit can't remember the name of right now.

From there, the plot just went further downhill; the story made every male character out to be a braindead idiot, every female character into the same "strong and brave" stereotype, the villains began sabotaging their own plans for whatever reason - i.e., Jormag putting the idiotic Ryland in charge of the Frost Legion, while more-or-less handicapping and sidelining the tactically-intelligent Bangar, letting him get captured in the process - and some outright idiotic story changes that leave a few too many plot holes, like the entire Flame Legion collectively pulling a heel-face turn and joining up with the High Legions, with said Flame Legion leader constantly praising and deferring to the aforementioned "strong and brave wamen", and one of our allies - I think it was Braham? Been a while since I checked, exactly - becoming another Elder Dragon's (Primordius) minion in an attempt to fight Ryland on equal ground.

In the end, the story ended about as well as you'd expect; Ryland and the Frost Legion all dies after Ryland continues being an idiot, both Jormag and Primordius getting destroyed - despite an earlier plotline making it very, very clear that any more Elder Dragons dying would destroy the entire planet, though our little dragon buddy Aurene is apparently able to absorb it without problems, so I guess it's no longer an issue? - Bangar is imprisoned and either dies or is executed, and the entire cast starts celebrating that all of the more "violent racist and fascist Charr are all dead". Also, the death of Jormag was what killed the Frost Legion, as the death of the Elder Dragon was supposed to kill whoever was mutated by them... but for whatever reason, the allied character that became Primorius's minion didn't for whatever reason. Oh, and the devs themselves went out of their way to cater more to the glowies, and made it very clear that the Frost Legion was supposed to be a stand-in for the American right.

Also, on a more minor note, Icebrood more-or-less canonized the Human PC as the canon one; massive chunks of the expansion were very obviously written from the assumption that you were a human character, leaving the potential plotpoints of Asura, Norn, and ESPECIALLY Charr players in the dirt. As a Charr player myself, I was not pleased.

End of Dragons, meanwhile, was a complete mess; I've looked over the plot three sperate times and I can't even tell what the fuck actually happened. Hence, the cliff notes version:

- We go to Cantha, a location from the original GW that the fans were begging to return to. Basically, the Aetherblades had shown up and captured one of the PC's allies, that being Gorrik, so we had to infiltrate one of their ships and rescue them; it gets found that the Aetherblades were pretty much invading Cantha, for some reason. The Aetherblade fleet ends up in the Mists, and subsequently destroyed; this results in you ending up in Cantha... somehow. Anyway, you get detained by the local security, who questions you on your motives; they allow you an audience with the Empress to plead your case. Naturally, since your character is so fucking perfect, they're able to flawlessly convince the Cantha Empress to trust them, and when the head of security - Minister Li - tries to point out that they should probably be a bit more cautious, the Empress publicly shoots him down and mocks him, opening up Cantha's borders. Bear in mind, the Aetherblades are technically invading at this point.

- Anyway, your character gets released to investigate the Aetherblades; you discover that they were heading to Cantha in an attempt at basically securing the local Elder Dragon, wanting to perfect some kind of "trans-Mist" technology. Naturally, you and your little Mary Sue Elder Dragon ally Aurene track down and located said drake, Soo-Won, who was revealed to be a local protector of the country, as well as both the strongest and original Elder Dragon. Naturally, she wants Aurene to take over as the next top Elder Dragon, eventually.

- From there, the plot just became something of a confusing mess, really; you start tracking down the Aetherblades, who were revealed to be specifically after a special kind of jade that Soo-Won was able to produce, that basically acted like batteries of draconic magic. Further investigations revealed that the Empress and Soo-Won were in an agreement with each other, with the Empress creating a facility to contain the amount of draconic magic that was released when the Elder Dragons died; in short, the facility was the only thing keeping the entire planet from blowing the fuck up (despite the fact that Aurene was supposedly keeping a lid on all that magic herself; can the devs not even keep their own damn plot straight?). Naturally, the moment you find this out, the Aetherblades break in the facility and damn near blow the entire building up, before escaping - why the fuck they decided to blow the building up when they're supposed to be harvesting resources is something I don't know, but fuck it, at this point I don't even care. Your crew ends up blamed for the situation, and are arrested.

- Naturally, your crew is released on the Empress's orders shortly afterwards - which begs the question of "why the fuck does Cantha have any form of law enforcement when the Empress keeps preventing them from doing their damn job" - and are allowed to go after the Aetherblades. To make a long, long story short - including the return of Scarlet fucking Briar, of all characters - the Aetherblades end up getting destroyed, but Soo-Won ends up dying in the process; luckily, Aurene is there to become the new all-power Elder Dragon, thus creating a new age in the history of Cantha.

There's plenty of shit that I missed, but for fuck's sake, I'm already drained three drinks over the course of reviewing this crap. I hit the major stuff, at the least.

That's not getting into all of the glowie shit the game shoved in, either; no joke, a pretty good chunk of the cast, both new and returning, gets the habit of introducing themselves using their preferred pronouns first, and there are so many fags and "non-binary" characters in the expansion that the only way it could get more queer is if you colored the entire fucking game in rainbows. Also, much like Icebrood, EoD continues the tradition of making every male character into braindead neanderthals and ever woman into perfect badasses... to the point where I'm fairly certain that your character may or may not get either mocked or praised depending on gender.

That's not getting into the other wokeshit that the devs made; there was an entire event/sidequest dedicated to the fallout of Roe vs. Wade at one point. At this point, the entire game is literally nothing more than the dev's political soapbox, and... honestly, it's actually really damn sad. The first game, while I haven't exactly done much with it myself, had a great story, great characters, and was all-around fantastic; meanwhile, GW2 has... nothing of note, really. The gameplay is still fairly solid, but the story, lore, and general world is so unbelievably geared to left-wing shit - I'm fairly certain it was a thing at one point to publicly track and harass any players that may-or-may-not be right-wing at one point - that it legit has gotten to a point where, as a long-time fan myself, can't even bring myself to play anymore.

And... it's sad, and a bit frustrating, really; I've spent years with this franchise, had a TON of fun and good memories both in and out of the game with the community, but watching the story go from a poor-quality, but still entertaining romp to a crappy political soapbox - and watching the community blindly parrot and accept what the devs have done - is a bit disheartening, frankly. Hell, I'd love to jump back on and play more myself, but... seeing the entire game devolve into "right-wing people must die!!!1!" is a bit of a downer. There's no characters worth rooting for, everyone is a 1-dimensional left-wing political stereotype these days, and any chance for anyone outside of the leftists to enjoy the game are shouted down and harassed. Hell, I can't even think of any potential future plotlines, really; there's apparently another expansion brewing, according to the Anet devs, but where the fuck it's going to go or what it's going to be about - we already have a fucking physical god dragon with us, the PC is hilariously OP, you can't care about any of these characters thanks to the wokeshit, and every "villain" is automatically supposed to be a right-wing stereotype that gets brutally killed off at the end of every story - is a complete unknown.

About the only fun I have these days is making a Charr Renegade, really; if they want to call me a terrorist for not bowing down to wokeshit, then let me be evil, I guess.

Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread.

No, you don't understand, you have to let the 13% into your town, and the horde of illegals into your country, and you have to let the horror show known as a drag queen chop off your kid's dick, or you're the bad guy and literally Hitler.

They're getting the shit writing ideas from somewhere.

I admit, I wasn't too familiar with the Void Elf lore myself - I legit only ever focused on gameplay until the accusations against Blizzard started - but... yeah, that whole plot sounds fucking mental. Makes me glad I play Pandaren these days; we might not have any content, but between being forgotten or a wokeshit stand-in, I'll just remain ignored.

EDIT: Jeez, I keep finding spelling mistakes...
 
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Since we're discussing races and how nu-Blizzard's incompetent writing handles them.
I do agree with people picking Gnomes, Undead and Taurens as prime examples of Blizzards writing screwing them over,
I would even add Night Elves to that group.

But if I could put a sub-race that has been written very poorly to the point
it's bit frustrating, it would be Void Elves.

Aside from being some "epic subversion" from Blizzard to include High Elves to Alliance, instead you know
just making regular High Elves playable for Alliance like players wanted;

I really cannot buy a race and their leader being really that stupid.

Their whole premise is:
>Start fucking around with void magic as a "fight fire with fire" solution because of Scourge almost committing Total Elf Death

>Get warned by Blood Elf leaders that if they keep fucking around with it, they'll be kicked out because the last thing belfs
want is Total Elf Death caused by the Void after dealing with the Scourge

>Fucks with void magic anyways, belfs kick them out as they said they would


>Get butthurt about it, go practice void magic elsewhere, get absorbed into the Void,
and would be gone forever if Alleria didn't rescue them

>Even after all that shit, Alleria and void elves still have the audacity of wanting the Blood Elves to let them back in Silvermoon,
despite Nightborne recruitment scenario showing even if you have void powers under control, the void creatures will be drawn to you
no matter what and because of that the Sunwell almost got fucked.

And the worse part about it is that Blood Elves are depicted as "bad" for being

hostile about the idea of Void Elves returning to Silvermoon while Void Elves are depicted as good because "they're hecking breaking the norms!!1!
despite Blood Elves being 100% justified about their choice after dealing with the Scourge.

Idk, I am just tired of this modern writing ,where the writer wants me to sympathize with really stupid characters whose premise is them
playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes and not wanting to face the conquences of it; And anyone that tries to make those characters face
their conquences is bad.
They've shit on Nelves since WoW started and haven't shown any interest in stopping. Their home city got burnt, their zones all got overran in events, and all of their heroes get dick-kicked or made a fool of in one way or another. Even when Tyrande gets an alleged empowerment she still fails to kill anyone of note save for a single Valkyr.

When it comes to the Belves the only thing I can think of that's vaguely in the Void Elves favor is their people already had a history of playing with fire in order to save themselves or gain more power. So its mildly hypocritical but not enough to make their argument invalid. The Void Elves are a genuine threat and its reasonable for them to be restricted.

They're a stupid ass 'Sub race' and I think they came to exist purely as an idea to dab on people who wanted High Elves. Everything they are is the exact opposite of the Helves. They even had their most important character making a swipe in an annoyed quote. Blizzard sure loves being spiteful to their fans.
 
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