Would the world be better if Germany won WWI?

[Ancient Pioneer]

I'd consider this from the perspective of Germany somehow pulling off some sort of major victory out of the 1918 Ludendorff Offensive. Germany had on multiple occasions offered terms of status quo ante bellum to France and Britain during the war and was rebuked, I wouldn't expect Germany to annex any land directly in Europe beyond the Brest-Litovsk treaty. With France and Britain losing the war I doubt you get any support for the Whites in Russia, so they still turn Communist; A-H and the Ottomans wouldn't be able to pop the genie of nationalism back into the lamp so likely you get some real heavy civil wars in both countries with secessionist movements all over. France, likely subject to some sort of war indemnity would buckle, I would expect some sort of civil war similar to Russia or the Spanish Civil War, communist vs a cabal of Generals trying to maintain order by any means possible. Britain, I think would have Ireland go full retard for independence and likely the white colonies, Rhodesia, South Africa, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would be so absolutely indignant over the waste of lives that they would start overt movements towards independence. India would have moved towards independence 20 years earlier and likely the resulting Muslim-Hindu civil war would have caused the Raj to split the sub-continent up into multiple states, beyond that of what we got in reality. The US would probably be the least effected by a collapse of the war, but I suspect it would lead to a more extreme version of isolationism than what we experienced in reality. In the land carved out from Brest-Litovsk I would expect Germany to place various small puppet states that were easy to control but they would be absolute dogshit and full of communist uprisings fostered by Soviet Russia. Germany would survive intact but have a real bad recession/depression post war as the various economy around them collapsed, France probably defaulting on its loans to the US snarling global investment enthusiasm as well.

tl;dr Way more anarchy as the various nationalist movements forced what was structured independence movements in the real world. Probably no WW2 but high levels of civil war and smaller wars

 

[HullDown]

As others have mentioned, a German victory in WWI would have ensured them very little in the way of annexed provinces and would have maintained their essential national problem of being surrounded on both sides by foreign powers with comparable military powers.

What could make the alternative history more spicy is to look at France and Russia after a WWI defeat. The Third French Empire had fallen after the 1870 war, and the Republic bringing back no results whatsoever after the horrors of Verdun would likely have meant the end of the Republic as well. There were still monarchists, especially in the Army, so that could have led to a French restoration after a coup, meaning essentially a military junta with a nominal king. Russia would have had a tougher beginning as the USSR, but I don't think the whites would have been able to capitalize on a German victory much. At most, if Germany was willing, a White Poland as a puppet state/insurance against Russia.
The 1918 Finnish Civil War would then have been shorter and less impactful on geopolitics, since if Russia is still licking his wounds and won't intervene, the Finns won't call for German intervention either. This means that Germany loses an ally against Russia, at least until they decide to attempt an invasion.

The geopolitical problem of Germany remains. They can't both have a navy that can compete with England and an army that can face Russia and France. Their only possible allies are Austria, Italy, Romania, and other non-powers that are more likely to hinder than to help. And now they possibly face a military-led France and a USSR that they offended by offering support to whites, meaning no Molotov-Ribbentrop.

So WWII in 1930 and a return to a Europe much like today's?

I'll take my puzzle pieces with pride.

 

[Cool Dog]

Question: had germany gone with a defensive strategy in the border with france, like just making a fortification line full of artillery like the paris gun and basically bomb any french troops trying to get near it, would france have invaded belgium instead to go around and attack germany? and if that happened would the brits have entered the war against france given their treaty with belgium?

 

[Mothra1988]

Anyone who says yes is a complete retard. And the fiction that a Nazi controlled world would have been good for white people is an idiotic concept contradicted by the fact Hitler was such an autist he was planning to genocide Slavs and wouldn't have stopped there either. The world would be unironically better if Hitter was never born. You wouldn't have had all that death and murder, and then you wouldn't have had the over-reaction by academia that created post-modernism that lead to woke stuff. Best of both worlds.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Anyone who says yes is a complete retard. And the fiction that a Nazi controlled world would have been good for white people is an idiotic concept contradicted by the fact Hitler was such an autist he was planning to genocide Slavs and wouldn't have stopped there either. The world would be unironically better if Hitter was never born. You wouldn't have had all that death and murder, and then you wouldn't have had the over-reaction by academia that created post-modernism that lead to woke stuff. Best of both worlds.

World War One You Sped​

 

[Mothra1988]

World War One You Sped​

Good point. LOL. I admit I fucked up. I was so used to the same question about WWII, I must have just scanned the OP on auto-pilot.

 

[Male Idiot]

I don't think the world would be in a better shape if the germans had won.
There were too many political players following the partially insane zeitgeist and crude theories.

Just a few points:
Racial hate was the norm and scientifically backed while superstition was mainstream.
Churchill was a fan of using gas against "lesser races", the UK invented concentration camps for the second boer war.
Even Gandhi was a racist. Lenin and Stalin were homicidal maniacs all around.
The nobility in europe was more inbred than anything and fascism and communism was on the rise.

So it would be perfect world? You listed virtues.
Racism is science. But like chromosomes, not Ethical True and Feel Good Virtue Science. Enjoy girldick. You deserve it.

 

[Lord Neeba]

What you should be asking is "would it be better if a degenerate amalgation of nations under an aging emperor where nobody is happy with anybody, aka Austro-Hungary had won the war".

And the answer is no, always no.

The idea that everyone wanted out of Austria-Hungary is mostly just post-war propaganda. Most nationalist groups only wanted increased local autonomy within the framework of the Habsburg empire, not outright independence.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Necromancing this thread.
Would Trannies even exist at all in a world where Germany won WW1?
There would be no German sex research institute lead by Magnus Hirschfeld ever allowed to be made in Germany under the Kaiser.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Some videos on Central powers plans.

 

[The Ugly One]

IMO we would have had a lot more bloodletting a generation later anyway. WWI was in many ways the last war of monarchs waving their dicks around to try and get more territory. An early German victory would have strengthened hereditary monarchy in Europe for another generation, meaning we would have had another brutal war over which inbred retard in a silly hat gets to claim the revenues from some patch of dirt in Europe, some mudhole in Africa, some tangle of the Asian jungle, etc, because there's no reason monarchs would have quit their favorite game of the last 400 years. A late German victory wouldn't have been any better, just replace the Romanovs with the USSR.

The best outcome probably would have been a negotiated Allied victory prior to 1917. We might have gotten a constitutional monarchy in Germany, no USSR, and no American involvement in European war.

 

[byuu]

Necromancing this thread.
Would Trannies even exist at all in a world where Germany won WW1?
There would be no German sex research institute lead by Magnus Hirschfeld ever allowed to be made in Germany under the Kaiser.

Hirschfeld already gave out tranny passes in Imperial Germany.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

It's kind of hard to think of a world where the central powers won without also thinking of the many different versions of the Kaiserreich mod.
Kaiserreich (and more importantly kaiserredux) really does color your perception on this topic.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I don't see any particular reason it would have been better. Do we just assume that reactionary Europe keeps limping along? (The Central Powers weren't even fighting for reactionary principles, it was a nationalist slapfight.) What's the payoff? That Austria-Hungary gets to keep being a shithole? The Ottomans get to genocide some more Christians?

The idea that under muh based Kaiser all that is wrong with the world wouldn't exist because reasons strikes me as such a small-brain take.

What you should be asking is "would it be better if a degenerate amalgation of nations under an aging emperor where nobody is happy with anybody, aka Austro-Hungary had won the war".

And the answer is no, always no.

B-b-b-but he was Catholic so their violation of national sovereignty was b-b-b-based

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

Yes because the Ottomans remaining the top dog in the Middle East and preserving Pax Ottomana would’ve prevented the region becoming what it is today. No Israel, Caliphate still around means radical or super liberal interpretations of Islam don’t have the influence they have today etc.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Hirschfeld already gave out tranny passes in Imperial Germany.

Is that true?

I don't see any particular reason it would have been better. Do we just assume that reactionary Europe keeps limping along? (The Central Powers weren't even fighting for reactionary principles, it was a nationalist slapfight.) What's the payoff? That Austria-Hungary gets to keep being a shithole? The Ottomans get to genocide some more Christians?

The idea that under muh based Kaiser all that is wrong with the world wouldn't exist because reasons strikes me as such a small-brain take.


B-b-b-but he was Catholic so their violation of national sovereignty was b-b-b-based

You'd also would still have Count Kalergi making his plans in Europe regardless of who won.

Yes because the Ottomans remaining the top dog in the Middle East and preserving Pax Ottomana would’ve prevented the region becoming what it is today. No Israel, Caliphate still around means radical or super liberal interpretations of Islam don’t have the influence they have today etc.

While our world's middle east is bad today, I don't think a Turkish supremacist middle east would be all that better. I agree that the British Raj backing the Saudis in the aftermath of the fall of the Ottomans to abolishing the title and role of the caliph has had serious consequences.

 

[byuu]

Is that true?

Wikipedia claims the first ones were given out in 1908 or 1909

Transvestite pass - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course it's hard to trust Wikipedia with tranny stuff but I did find more about one of the trannies: Georg/Gerda von Zobeltitz:

Gerda von Zobeltitz (1891 – 1963) tailor

Original version November 2014. Revised March 2022. G. von Zobeltitz from Weißensee , Berlin, a scion of one of Germany's old noble famili...

zagria.blogspot.com

The source of the German newspaper checks out, you can find an archive of it here:

DFG-Viewer: Berliner Tageblatt und Handels-Zeitung

dfg-viewer.de

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

 

[GoPro]

Necromancing this thread.
Would Trannies even exist at all in a world where Germany won WW1?
There would be no German sex research institute lead by Magnus Hirschfeld ever allowed to be made in Germany under the Kaiser.

Yes, they would exist.
Kaiser Wilhelm II had gays in his circle and they weren't a problem until journalists outed them. That became a scandal known as Eulenburg Affair. It's not the first time some gay stuff was tolerated by German leaders either. Most well known is Fredrick the Great and his gay tendencies.
Don't forget that the modern day leftism spawned before WWI and Germany was hotbed for it before the war even started. Magnus Hirschfeld did majority of his work during imperial era. As did other leftist academics and activists. Wiemar republic had no shortage of former imperial politicians, and yet they did not care enough about degeneracy to do anything about it. Little happened until Austrian painter entered the picture. What's worse, during WWI Germans would still need to send Lenin to Russia to destabilize it, so commies and their subversion would still be a problem.
German elites' toleration of degeneracy would eventually go from semi-covert to open and we would be in similar if not worse position today. What's worse, commies would be even stronger in that world because whites would get less support and there would be no Poland to keep commies in check between wars. West would be weaker and less confident. It would put up even less resistance against subversion efforts.