Would you still hate China if mao never won?

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Assuming they put laws in place to protect good samaritans and punish cat-abusers, AND also didn't flood America with fent and tranime.

Or would you turn your zigger-hate into chigger-hate?
 
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I don't hate China.
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His cult of personality was repulsive and foolish and led to untold disasters including the famines and the Sino-Soviet split.

The vanguard party requires collective leadership at the highest levels and it's counterproductive to believe any of this can be done by one man in the name of the people. If collective leadership is good enough for the workers' and peasants' soviets it's good enough for the top leadership.
 
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With Russia being the US's principle enemy, on China's border and only big face of communism, I don't see a reason for the US to be anything but allies with China at that point.

However, I do believe we would have inevitably come to blows since China would eventually reach this point where they are able to realistically challenge the sole US Superpower. I just don't think it would be nearly as vitriolic as our current timeline.
 
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I'm not a super-fan of the Taiwanese I've met, so yeah, I'd probably still hate China.
 
Penis Drager 2.0 said:
Chiang Kai-Shek was kinda a bro. I think China and the US would be pretty consistent allies if he had stayed in power.
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You mean the guy who allied with the Nazis, was insanely corrupt, and later came up with retarded ideas like Project National Glory? And who maintained all sorts of ridiculous claims like asserting every piece of land the Qing Dynasty owned in 1911 was rightful Chinese clay into the 1980s? Chiang was an absolute opportunist and would have gladly turned his ideology to third-worldism once he got what he needed out of the US especially since his administration had plenty of people who surrendered to Mao anyway and got government and military positions in the PRC. Anyone who claims China would've been a super-Taiwan computer parts land without Mao and communism has no idea of the reality on the ground in 1948.
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Mao Zedong Thought is the only good thing about China or its people
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It took 50 years to unfuck China after that garbage took hold and restore traditional Confucianism and Chinese values.
 
Would I? I don't know. Would they deserve it? Yes. The brokenness of Chinese culture is something that goes far back to the beginning. Communism is a turd on top of another turd.
 
A non communist China would be really interesting, see Taiwan and UK controlled Hong Kong. Modern China is just a cult of Mao with extreme cruelty. Every time I visit China it's always a bizarre experience. You have extreme impoverished, extreme rich with a very narrow group of what you would consider a middle class. My experiences in Taiwan are always more pleasant. Seriously, I hope FDR is burning in the worst hell for helping that commie fuck, we should have let the Japanese lynch him and his red enablers.
 
There is a reason people commonly refer to the Chinese as insects, collectivism and authoritarianism come naturally to them. Their historical norm is a massive spanning empire with total control over the areas it rules, deviations from this either being horrible wars with apocalyptic loss of life or the romance of the three kingdoms. Take a gander at the Chinese philosophy of legalism which could be described as the most totalitarian ideology in all of humanity before the industrial revolution for an example.

Functionality during the cold war the KMT winning would result in a much different dynamic geopolitically however over the long run China would likely behave similarly to today, they would leverage their endless cheap labor to become the global industrial sweat shop. Their government may likely be less totalitarian but I've always had a suspicion Taiwan aligning themselves to the US domesticated them after a while to being less insane, recall the white terror did occur. For Hong Kong I consider it fact the British domesticated them, which with that and their intergenerational diaspora in the US proves they are capable of functioning like westerners if they are completely isolated from the bughive. Authoritarianism may be the default to the Chinese condition, especially on the mainland that has to lord over many ethnic minorities who would inevitably be a problem.

Hell it's my opinion that after the death of Mao the Chinese slowly slunk away from communism and moved to a pragmatic authoritarianism, their economy being a Frankenstein mess of free market liberalization and party control. The yellow peril would still exist, maybe not as active but still present.
 
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Communist rule ruined China. Not saying it was better under the peasent/king era, but it led to the current state of Chinese culture. The reason they eat every disgusting thing that creeps and crawls is because they had to. It's tradition now.

The rule of business in China is fuck the other person over first, because you expect they are going to fuck you over.

Low trust society can not survive long term. Which is what Communism and it's effects cause.
 
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If the Nationalists had won China likely would have been extremely powerful by now. Quite possibly ahead of America in many ways. Imagine 3x the population of America but all at the same standard of living. Take all the technology, science, media, and engineering pouring out of America's universities, institutes, and corporations and 3x it and add it back to the global output. In the place of the hermit Chinese internet hiding from the rest of the internet behind the Great Firewall built off mostly knockoff Western technology imagine a greatly enlarged internet with an additional 2 Americas worth of traffic, memes, and media, and tech added in.

They would have had decades more experience with capitalism without the halfheartedness and back and forth authoritarianism from the CCP. Not that they are pushovers now but that just goes to show how much further ahead they could have been.

China being much more powerful than it is now probably wouldn't exactly be friends with the US. In place of the Cold War II there might be some massively scaled up Great Game similar as to what happened between the European powers. But the world would likely be much more advanced and there would be all sorts of new toys and technologies to play with.
 
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Re Taiwan

It was a backwater shithole during the Empire (to the point they were practicaly happy to get rid of it). Most of it's population was ethnically anything but Han, and all modernization happened when it was a Japanese colony. For some reason, Japan didn't treat them like niggers (as they did in other colonies) but tried to actively japanize them. Which was more or less completed by WW2. Chiang & Co were not happy about it, and Taiwanese and KMT remnants REALLY didn't get along too well initially. Tl;dr: Taiwan is NOT representative of China in general.

I'm rather skeptical about Nationalists managing to run China THAT much better than Mao. It was essentially a failed state back then, politically, economically, and developmentally. It may have gotten it's shit together a few decades quicker. Or maybe had a few more glorious civil wars and end up as a shitty resource extraction economy, idk. Probably something inbetween.

Cold War in Asia would've been completely from OTL of course.
 
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