Wuhan Coronavirus - COVID-19 Analysis & Summary - This is not just fucking pneumonia. It is everything but the kitchen sink. Lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, brain, blood vessels, testes. It affects them all.

HURRR I'm not a doomer!!111

And then proceeds to respond with a bunch of sketchy doomer videos. I get that you're trying to be informative. But why you're on KF of all places relaying this information is suspect. The fact of the matter is that we still know jack shit about this virus beyond a few key details. And making an unneeded forum post to whip everyone up into a frenzy about how the disease is literally Hitler accomplishes nothing. I'm not even being optimistic--this virus terrifies me--but your posts are designed to cause fear instead of understanding.
 
I've been back and forth with PhD biologists, virologists, and immunologists over this

No, you haven't. What you have done is hit the adderall hard, furiously searched COVID on the research portal of whatever college you're taking a computer science course at, skimmed a lot of abstracts, and thrown out a huge wall of pseudo-information, mixing truth, speculation, possibilities and outright bullshit together without any critical eye whatsoever. You know absolutely nobody is going to read any of that shit- data overload being a classic of the floundering freshie hoping to slide bullshit past the bored TA - or engage in the autistic point-by-point goalpost shifting tedium fest that you will brand "a proper debate". So this way you can have yourself a little ego rub by going "OOOH I TRIED TO TELL 'EM BUT THEY DON'T LISTEN" as you shit-chat with your paranoid Discord buddies.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong - maybe you ARE the one visionary super scientist whose red-string paranoia wall has helped him stumble on The Big Picture. Maybe COVID is a multi-systemic instant doom that is going to demolish us - so what? Why drop it all on Kiwifarms? What do you want anyone to do about it?
 
What you have done is hit the adderall hard, furiously searched COVID on the research portal of whatever college you're taking a computer science course at, skimmed a lot of abstracts, and thrown out a huge wall of pseudo-information, mixing truth, speculation, possibilities and outright bullshit together without any critical eye whatsoever.
He also dropped $525 on textbooks. Archive.
 
HURRR I'm not a doomer!!111

And then proceeds to respond with a bunch of sketchy doomer videos. I get that you're trying to be informative. But why you're on KF of all places relaying this information is suspect. The fact of the matter is that we still know jack shit about this virus beyond a few key details. And making an unneeded forum post to whip everyone up into a frenzy about how the disease is literally Hitler accomplishes nothing. I'm not even being optimistic--this virus terrifies me--but your posts are designed to cause fear instead of understanding.

Anything factual I could say about this virus would also be fearsome simply by the nature of those facts.

The virus has various mechanisms by which it assaults the body.

There is the autoimmune response, which appears to be mediated by the way the virus monopolizes ACE2 receptors. Normally, Ang II uses them to convert to Ang 1-7 and from there, it acts as a MasR agonist. Instead, with the virus blocking ACE2 off from Ang II, the Ang II builds up and activates AT1R. This process of excess accumulating Ang II creates a whole lot of inflammation. A good portion of the tissue damage in the lungs is autoimmune in nature, with T helpers releasing insane quantities of inflammatory cytokines.

There is the hypoxemia from the pneumonia, which insults the vital organs with low O2.

The dysregulation of the RAAS system may be causing electrolytic imbalance and hypertension on top of the inflammation.

There is also the matter of the elevated troponin and myoglobin levels. The myocarditis also attacks the kidneys with AKI due to the myoglobinemia.

It also seems to suppress and imbalance the immune system to a degree that bacterial co-infections occur, leading to sepsis.

Lastly, the virus may be passing into the brain by infecting the blood vessels of the brain or the endothelial lining of the blood-brain barrier, or, it could be rising up from the parasympathetic nerves of the lungs, into the vagus nerve, and into the medulla, or, it could even be entering the brain through the olfactory bulb and through the cribriform plate.

The sheer complexity of the pathology of bat-SARS-like coronaviruses is maddening.

What you have done is hit the adderall hard,

Well, actually, it wasn't Adderall, to be quite honest. It was mostly Bacopa, amino acids, and vitamins.

furiously searched COVID on the research portal of whatever college you're taking a computer science course at,

Googled, at home, on my own workstation.

skimmed a lot of abstracts

I skimmed a few abstracts but read many papers in detail and cross-referenced them. I also referenced firsthand accounts from ICU doctors to see if the claims lined up with what they were seeing in their patients, as well as what I saw in leaked footage of ailing COVID-19 victims.

and thrown out a huge wall of pseudo-information, mixing truth, speculation, possibilities and outright bullshit together without any critical eye whatsoever

So says everyone who hasn't bothered to read and cross-reference any of the cited sources.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong - maybe you ARE the one visionary super scientist whose red-string paranoia wall has helped him stumble on The Big Picture - so what? Why drop it all on Kiwifarms? What do you want anyone to do about it?

Jesus, I thought this was a happening subforum. Why would you complain about a happening when that's clearly what you're all here for? Besides, only 4chan, Kiwifarms, and a few other places even have COVID-19 threads that delve into the darkest parts of it, like the leaked footage from Hubei, the weird laboratories in Wuhan, et cetera. Elsewhere, the Overton Window poses a problem.


Yeah, that's right. Wanna see one? Here's Fields Virology Volume One. There's a whole section on coronaviruses. It's really neat.

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@Drain Todger Could you be more of a pretensious ass if you tried? We get it, you're huffing your own farts and flintstones vitamins. You're not as smart as you think you are

Look, I know I'm not smart. I know I'm not special. I just thought this stuff would be helpful, okay? That's all.

The CCP's trying to suppress the fuck out of all this info. You've got 50 Cent Army assholes moderating all these goddamn sites. Reddit is a shithole. Most of the internet is fucking useless these days.

I've had a bad year. And honestly, it feels like things are going to get a lot worse for a lot of us before they're going to get better.

I need some fresh air. Some time away from all of this. I suggest you all do the same. I'm finding it's not healthy to stay cooped up in front of a screen for much of your life.
 
It genuinely depresses me that people here of all places are starting to toe the party line, just like how people who were watching this virus when it first started in November were saying they all would. I suppose you can somewhat blame the media for over-hyping things like they usually do, but the amount of willful ignorance from a forum I've come to respect as being willing to dig for the facts is starting to become actively upsetting.
 
I'm starting to think that giving the Shaolin Sniffles its own sub-board was a bad idea.

This entire place is just descending into psychotic doom-posting and people completely losing their minds over the tiniest goddamned thing without doing one iota of examination against the evidence, first. Everyone's just digging up ass-random bullshit from every armpit of the internet and running with it as 100% fact and it's getting incredibly boring.
 
I'm starting to think that giving the Shaolin Sniffles its own sub-board was a bad idea. This entire place is just descending into psychotic doom-posting and people completely losing their minds over the tiniest goddamned thing without doing one iota of examination against the evidence, first. Everyone's just digging up ass-random bullshit from every armpit of the internet and running with it as 100% fact and it's getting incredibly boring.

I think there's a difference between being informative and then just dumping eons of unproven skeptical information that lowers morale without official confirmation. I obviously don't trust the government or the media on everything they report about the virus and I do encourage more people to research it as much as possible. But the doomposting is annoying and I have enough on my plate to worry about right now than a bunch of speds screeching about the end of the world. Right now, I want to stay alive, keep my family safe, and look at solutions or official developments. The doomers popping up are honestly wearing me out.
 
I think there's a difference between being informative and then just dumping eons of unproven skeptical information that lowers morale without official confirmation. I obviously don't trust the government or the media on everything they report about the virus and I do encourage more people to research it as much as possible. But the doomposting is annoying and I have enough on my plate to worry about right now than a bunch of speds screeching about the end of the world. Right now, I want to stay alive, keep my family safe, and look at solutions or official developments. The doomers popping up are honestly wearing me out.

I'm sorry.

You know, I tried telling my coworkers all about it, and like some of you guys, they didn't want to hear it. They already had too much on their plate and had a hard time coping as it is, so they just didn't want to hear it. It made it hard for us to get along.

I'd sperg out about it and try and tell them what I thought was the truth about this virus and what it does to the human body. One of my best friends at work smokes like a chimney, and I thought, you know, this thing could kill him because of his pre-existing lung issues. He didn't care. He was just that blackpilled.

"So what? We all die of something. Fuck it."

He just didn't care at all.

If this thing gets any worse, I hope we aren't all like that. I hope we stand up, and we fight, and we survive.

China lied. They lied about the deaths. Think about it. They ride public transport packed in like sardines, they walk on sidewalks where they're packed in and underneath each other's armpits. They drink tap water with high coliform counts. They live in a soup of pollution with PM2.5 counts well over 300 every day. Their cities are like open sewers. It's unimaginable to me that people could live like that, and yet, people in the PRC do.

Are we to believe that Italy, a country with a better medical system, better infrastructure, and lower population density than China, which had forewarning of the virus, is at 900 deaths a day, but Wuhan somehow got out relatively unscathed?

Those motherfuckers lied, man. It's obvious. They left us all unprepared for this with their fucking lies.
 
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