[X-Post] Closure of the CWCki Forum's Private Discussion Board

[autism420]

Anna is actually a real person, right?

I have always assumed Kim was some sort of troll though.

 

[NegaCWC]

The difference is that those things got funny reactions and the Catherine troll got a few facebook posts and a disappointing video

So why there's such a huge drama over what S and T* did? The reactions of most forums members who oppose what S and T did isn't just "meh, new content sucks", they also condemn them for being mean and creepy.

*Is it OK to use their full usernames by now?

 

[leodav]

I've been following Chris for a while now (3-4 years). I am mostly a lurker. I just like to read what goes on in Chris' s life. Nothing more. It took me a while to register on these forums, even after months of coming here. With that said, I do have a few things to say in regards to the situation at hand.

1- What did you expect to happen, Null? Of course people were going to attempt to troll Chris, and of course people were going to try and use these forums as meeting grounds. Don't get me wrong, I am not blaming you, nor am I saying you are the mastermind behind Chris' s trolling. However, from the moment you decided to have a private forum for a certain type of people you pretty much made it easier for people to influence Chris' s life. You should've seen that one coming.

So wait, you are telling me that a private board meant to be used to organize trolling attempts at Chris was used as a private board to organize trolling attempts at Chris? I do think Null is smart enough to realize that much. What, did you expect the secret private forums to troll Chris were gonna be used to trade meth recipes?

2- OK, you say enough is enough, and you're fed up with the BS that goes on that private board. Good. Are you sure that's the best way to go? Like you said, if you were to close that board, those people would most likely find a new place to gather around, but you would lose all influence. Are you sure you want to let that happen? As of now, you stand as an influential figure, you have a say, and, to some extent, control over Chris's trolling. If you let these people roam free, you could very well unleash hell on Chris without intent. Which would defeat the purpose of shutting down the private board, as it has become an annoyance to you and a mistake that you intend to correct.

You give Null way too much credit here. Null has no power over anyone. The most he can do is ban any ween that decides to fag up the boards with plans to dig up Patti's grave and urinate JULAY on the side of Chris' house but he can't stop the ween from going there and doing exactly that if he really wanted to. Null doesn't keep Chris under lock and key here. Anyone can do whatever they want and we are all powerless to stop it.

See, the thing is, CWC is THE Lolcow. No other person is as widely known as CWC. His actions are appealing to a considerable amount of people. And as long as his videos are available to watch online, he will continue to be the most sought out lolcow on the Internet. Right now, these forums, are VERY influential to the people who follow CWC in terms of trolling (Sure, weens pop up all the time, but have you also considered how many people have restrained from trolling Chris after spending a few hours on these forums?)

What it boils down to is this:
Right now, you, Null, and your site have a say in what goes on in Chris' s life. If you do anything that undermines that, you run the risk of opening the "Pandora's Box" as your site functions as both, an inhibitor and an enabler of trolling. It's the board thd CWCki links to after all.

Do what you think is the best: Shut the private board down, change the focus of the entire boards completely, don't do anything, I don't know, just make sure it's a decision you have considered.

I can't speak for Null but I do think that he would want to distance himself from any future trolling plans. Probably in the case that something would go tits up he won't be held responsible. Had someone done something incredibly stupid, stupid enough to get the feds, then they might launch an investigation and Null would most likely be wrapped in it as well. So I think it is good that he wants no part of it when things get this up close, not when there is a lot at risk.

How about shutting down the private board, enforcing the no trolling rule to the max (This means no monkey businesses behind closed doors whatsoever), but allowing content to still be posted by outside parties? I think it's a win-win situation. Null gets rid of the private board problem, people still get their Chris content, and the forums remain as relevant as ever.

I used to think that there was a no trolling rule to the max already applied here. Mostly cause if there wasn't then you'd get weens out the rafters with shitty plans. And it isn't worth it to filter out the bad plans just for that chance to get that one probably good plan (that might end up like shit anyway, see recent Ebay shenanigans)

 

[Trilby]

I've always found it to be much funnier when Chris does stupid things on his own rather than when people try to manipulate him. Chris is pretty good at making bad decisions and doesn't really need help with that. Look at the Wal-Mart HEX-Box One display fiasco. That was all Chris. Nobody made him do that. Or his gross taint piercing facebook status where he decides to educate his facebook friends on how lesbian sex works. Sure, we have to be a bit more patient now to get new content but doesn't it feel much better to get it when it's guilt free?

That is true, there's something in it I don't mind seeing as an outsider.

 

[GormTheElder]

Alec is the one who posed as Jackie

That makes such an incredible amount of sense. Jackie seemed helpful in a way that alway kinda reminded me of Alecs tough love policy. I hadn't thought they'd be the same person, but I definitely believed that Jackie took some inspiration from Alec.

Wow, these last couple of days have been eyeopeners for me.

 

[P-Logic]

People on this forum have bizzare double standards. It's already been revealed that Alec is the one who posed as Jackie, and yet there's no ganging up on him.

Plenty of people think the actions of Alec (and others) are unacceptable and immoral. However, in the past, criticism has been heavily censored by the moderation team. This thread is pretty much the first time that any public criticism of inner circle trolls has ever been allowed on this forum. And even this thread has been censored, with several of my posts which did not break the forum rules being deleted without any discussion.

EDIT: My posts were hidden rather than deleted. Null went ahead and unhid them.

 

[Null]

Plenty of people think the actions of Alec (and others) are unacceptable and immoral. However, in the past, criticism has been heavily censored by the moderation team. This thread is pretty much the first time that any public criticism of inner circle trolls has ever been allowed on this forum. And even this thread has been censored, with several of my posts which did not break the forum rules being deleted without any discussion.

I've told people not to delete any posts in this thread. They're trying to enforce the civility rule but that's not applicable in this thread.

Edit: To elaborate, my thoughts are that this is now a cross-road of communities. You're seeing people from before even 789. There's going to be more abrasive posters than what we're used to. Sorry.

 

[Da Big Staw]

Null, gotta say the way you have handled this has really impressed me. As an observer It really reflects very well on you.

I do dislike the absurd double standard showen by so many here, Your on a board about a retard who is famous for being trolled. Somehow you find it reprehensible he then got trolled again?

 

[timtommy]

Anna is actually a real person, right?

I have always assumed Kim was some sort of troll though.

I don't know the exact status of Kim. But it is useful to point out that being a "troll" is not binary. If you pose as a potential sweetheart, when you have no intention of ever dating Chris, and provide him with fake pics and identity you are trolling him.

What if you are straight-up with him but occassionally share some lulzy private correspondance?

What if you are legitmately friendly to him and respect the privacy of his messages to you, but shield your identity from him because you are worried about being associated with him?

Are those trolling? Maybe. It all depends on how you define trolling. They are what they are.

Plenty of people think the actions of Alec (and others) are unacceptable and immoral. However, in the past, criticism has been heavily censored by the moderation team. This thread is pretty much the first time that any public criticism of inner circle trolls has ever been allowed on this forum. And even this thread has been censored, with several of my posts which did not break the forum rules being deleted without any discussion.

EDIT: My posts were hidden rather than deleted. Null went ahead and unhid them.

Well, Christory is full of all kinds of moral quandaries, and if that type of discussion was always encouraged, the forum would be a mess. I think this is probably the best way to do it. Every now and then open up a thread for people who have something to say on the issue to say it.

As a passive Christorian my attitude, both outwardly and internally, has always been this: I have never participated in anything that would be considered trolling, and I highly doubt I ever will. But I can't do anything about the trolling. If I decided to be outraged about something and kick up a big fuss, I would be promptly banned and ignored.

I assume that if I really thought about it carefully, I could sort trolling attempts into things I am ok with and things I am not. But that would be a useless exercise that would only make me unhappy. So I don't. I don't see it as contradictory to enjoy interacting with Marvin, ABL and others on here and simultaneuously want the best for Chris. For one thing, they don't always clash. But primarily, I have soft spots for both, and if I came down one side, it would be meaningless, so why do it?

 

[Ian Brandon Something]

I do dislike with the absurd double standard show by so many here, Your on a board about a exceptional individual who is famous for being trolled. Somehow you find it reprehensible he then got trolled again?

Seriously this

The CWCki forums is no place for moralfags. We're ALL part of the gangstalking guys. You don't get to laugh at an autistic man being tortured and beg for more content of him being tortured then be on some moral high horse because you weren't the one doing the torturing. Just enjoy the content and be thankful that trolls are providing it.

 

[rocket]

i'm not going to pretend like i have an actual opinion regarding all of this that's worth posting

but champ and null, you definitely deserve kudos for being willing to discuss it openly, considering it all could have gone the way of the dodo with nothing more than a few ugly rumors

 

[Null]

I do dislike with the absurd double standard show by so many here, Your on a board about a exceptional individual who is famous for being trolled. Somehow you find it reprehensible he then got trolled again?

I want to write another essay about this, but I don't have the time.

In short, trolling is OK. Trolling is pushing people's buttons in ways that they have allowed themselves to become vulnerable to yield a funny reaction. When you start intentionally violating the privacy and rights of another person to basically just to learn more about them, it isn't really trolling. You're in a different thing now. Whatever you want to call it is up to you. All I know is I didn't like it.

The CWCki forums is no place for moralfags. We're ALL part of the gangstalking guys. You don't get to laugh at an autistic man being tortured and beg for more content of him being tortured then be on some moral high horse because you weren't the one doing the torturing. Just enjoy the content and be thankful that trolls are providing it.

Are celebrity boards gangstalking? There's always a fuss about paparatzi n stuff. If you want to follow a famous person on the Internet, it's a bit different than the stories of people video taping Kanye West in his garage.

See, there's a lot of people saying that, now that they know the reunion stuff was faked, it isn't funny. They're disappointed because what they thought was true is now a construct. Even if you want to throw the moralfagging out the window, there's still the issue of how faked/forced content is never as funny as organic stuff or the more innocent and gamey Push-Pull stuff that Clyde Cash / Liquid Chris had going on.

 

[Male Idiot]

Long time lurker here.

Null, you did the right thing here. It was brave to stand up and admit it.

I still want the old Chris board and the Sonichu wiki to stay up, even if we branch out to other lolcows.
People will still want to talk about Chris, and I am okey with the no trolling policy here. Passive observation is fine.

He does appear broken and drained and he just seems to be milked dry. Just as you can over-fish an area of the sea, so can you over-troll Chris.

Catherine being a troll was no surprise though it may be better this way. Chris is not the type of person for open relationships.

 

[Ian Brandon Something]

See, there's a lot of people saying that, now that they know the reunion stuff was faked, it isn't funny. They're disappointed because what they thought was true is now a construct.

Yeah I get that, and it is a bit disappointing. But it's only disappointing because we all really wanted Chris to have to face up to the fact that his school friends didn't ever like him. It's really the whole idea that people suddenly find it reprehensible to troll him that I object to. I'll leave it there anyway as I might be getting too close to A-logging.

 

[DrChristianTroy]

All I know is I didn't like it.

In the end this is the only thing that really matters. If you want to discuss whether what the uber secret board or trolling is immoral or not, fair enough. Just realize what you or others think doesn't really matter because this is Null's board. Be glad he didn't shut the whole place down.

 

[Null]

Yeah I get that, and it is a bit disappointing. But it's only disappointing because we all really wanted Chris to have to face up to the fact that his school friends didn't ever like him. It's really the whole idea that people suddenly find it reprehensible to troll him that I object to. I'll leave it there anyway as I might be getting too close to A-logging.

We change our minds a lot and there's a very, very indeterminate line on what's acceptable. I totally understand the sentiment.

 

[Da Big Staw]

I want to write another essay about this, but I don't have the time.

In short, trolling is OK. Trolling is pushing people's buttons in ways that they have allowed themselves to become vulnerable to yield a funny reaction. When you start intentionally violating the privacy and rights of another person to basically just to learn more about them, it isn't really trolling. You're in a different thing now. Whatever you want to call it is up to you. All I know is I didn't like it.

It seems to me just about all trolling of Chris has been to get more information about from him. I never imagined these trolls would really violate the privacy of Chris. But I don't have the details and source material to decide.

Regardless, I really applaud how you have acted over this. Even if I think the posts of many in this thread ring disingenuous.

 

[Petronella]

Anna is actually a real person, right?

I have always assumed Kim was some sort of troll though.

Yeah, Anna is legit. She used to work at the Pac Sun in the mall Chris frequented and met him when he entered the store to try to hit on her. She started out as a troll but then got to know Chris better and ended up befriending him.

I'm not sure about Kim, but I believe she came onto the scene during the Liquid Chris saga and was introduced as a friend of Kacey. She kind of walks the line between a troll and a white knight; she likes messing with Chris and making little pot shots at him, but she also can't help but offer him advice now and again.

 

[Da Big Staw]

Long time follower, recent forum member. Just feels to me that most of the forum has grown up a lot over the years and now they consider things despicable what a few years ago would have been absolutely fine. What is being described as "gang stalking" now is nowhere near as atrocious as what was done to him in the past what people are fine laughing about.

This.

It's hilarious reading the "Back in my day Chris Trolling was good and pure. Then you all infected it with Ween and hatred!" posts

 

[TrippinKahlua]

So what is the canonical stance on Catherine? Is she still a real gal-pal in Chris's eyes?

But in retrospect over the past couple days, there's been so much to think about. I'm kinda let down that the Gal-Pal emails from last Fall were fake, I was hoping all of them were real but it was not. T did a good job posing as all of them, but man, I really feel disappointed the real Gal-Pals didn't actually get up to date on CWC.

Surprisingly there hasn't been much finger-pointing at who Catherine was (or obviously not because they're waiting for the info dump to happen). I have a good guess on who played Catherine, but unlike T & S, no one has mentioned her. Yes, it is a her. I won't here though, I've always fucked up during big, personal moments like this