" X was always stupid/silly/bad" - "That thing you loved that we destroyed was always bad, what you talking about?"

[AMHOLIO]

1930s pulp literature was the peak of human cultural production and it has only gone downhill since.

You can't change my mind.

Paging @Red Hood .


I think that they can say it all they want, but in 5-10 years people will forget about the sequel. Everyone can try and gaslight you for now, then in 5 to 10 years they'll sell the remastered version without shit sequels to capitalize on the audience that loves the original. I think it is a hard sentiment to make stick.


Most corporate suits think that genre fiction is the lowest form of entertainment. The original suits back in the day probably laughed at how to them the masses went "hurr durr dinosaur" or "lol lightsaber pretty" and just kept funneling in money to captialize off a product without regard. Screenwriters can also have very low opinions on genre pieces, especially if they're jilted tards who got their brilliant stunning brave (read: boring) diverse original story shot down and have to resort to writing something else.

I think you're letting the opinions of the insecure and tainted rattle you a bit. You can't change their minds, but more importantly, they can't change yours. Find those willing to watch classics for the first time with you.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

It's cope for modern writers and directors being shit coupled with the fact no new IPs are being made because fuck risk taking. Most cultural landmarks got their popularity for a reason rather than being dumb fun, but it's easy to ignore those reasons once the film been out so long people forgot what made it popular.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Why can't you just like something without worrying about the context of it? It's a normie's virtue to determine something is all bad or all good, and if one part is bad then apparently it's all bad. I don't think normies are even capable of putting things in a gray category where it's some good and some bad.

 

[The handsome tard]

Why can't you just like something without worrying about the context of it? It's a normie's virtue to determine something is all bad or all good, and if one part is bad then apparently it's all bad. I don't think normies are even capable of putting things in a gray category where it's some good and some bad.

Again, imagine something you like being turned into shit and then they pretend it was always this quality/this stupid.

You can detect the gaslighting for miles

 

[Red Hood]

1930s pulp literature was the peak of human cultural production and it has only gone downhill since.

You can't change my mind.

The world is too woke and too easily distracted for another Howard, Lovecraft, or even Sax Rohmer, and unlikely to ever see a wunderkind like Bloch, or a workaholic autist like Maxwell Grant...

I mean have you ever looked at the postmodern nonsense that is "New Weird" fiction? Do yourself a favor and don't look up the people turning Lovecraft's corpse into a puppet.

 

[Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran]

I mean have you ever looked at the postmodern nonsense that is "New Weird" fiction? Do yourself a favor and don't look up the people turning Lovecraft's corpse into a puppet.

I was interested in writing some myself but then I saw short story submission calls asking for LGBT protagonists in Lovecraftian stories that are supposed to "reclaim" cosmic horror with an optimistic spin.

As in, giving them a happy ending. That's even worse than the LGBT stuff. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre.

In recent years a pretty decent neo pulp movement started, though. My favorite author it brought forth is Schuyler Hernstrom. I'm a total fangirl for that guy. D. M. Ritzlin is pretty good too, as is anything printed in the Cirsova magazine.

 

[Red Hood]

I was interested in writing some myself but then I saw short story submission calls asking for LGBT protagonists in Lovecraftian stories that are supposed to "reclaim" cosmic horror with an optimistic spin.

As in, giving them a happy ending. That's even worse than the LGBT stuff. It's a fundamental misunderstanding of the genre.

In recent years a pretty decent neo pulp movement started, though. My favorite author it brought forth is Schuyler Hernstrom. I'm a total fangirl for that guy. D. M. Ritzlin is pretty good too, as is anything printed in the Cirsova magazine.

The entire point of the cosmic horror setting is that the universe is, to quote H.G. Wells, "vast, cool, and unsympathetic". I mean the "Lovecraft Lite" subgenre has certainly been a thing even since Derleth picked up the torch, but that's still presenting things as malevolent and threatening and not caring about humans- just with the good/evil dichotomy intact.

 

[Wormy]

Actually, the latest round of it I've experienced has been from conservatives, informing me that the Empire was always the good guys in the original Star Wars trilogy, and how much of a beta cuck I am for rooting for the rebellion in those movies.

I'm beyond tired of people complaining about how things used to be but still engage in shilling out their money to the same corporations that continually fuck them over.
You could make a movie about superheroes shitting, and slap a Marvel logo over it and people would still buy those movie tickets.

"In show business the lowest common denominator is not only followed, it is REVERED."
-Bruce Campbell

 

[Jason Wynn]

The big problem I’ve noticed with mainstream audiences (aka: retards) is their constant tendency to overhype and over exaggerate every single thing that comes out. It’s either “OMG!!! BEST THANG EBBER!!! IT’LL CHANGE YOUR LIFE GUIZ!!!” or “OMG!!! WORST THANG EBBER!!! TOTALLY RUINED MY CHILDHOOD AND KILLED MY HECKIN GOOD DOGGO GUIZ!!”

Nobody can just like or dislike something on its own merit, much less give a cogent reason WHY they like or dislike it. They follow whatever is trending and take the opinion of whatever their social media overseers decree.

TL;DR People are sheep and I’ve become an aging hipster

 

[AMHOLIO]

The entire point of the cosmic horror setting is that the universe is, to quote H.G. Wells, "vast, cool, and unsympathetic". I mean the "Lovecraft Lite" subgenre has certainly been a thing even since Derleth picked up the torch, but that's still presenting things as malevolent and threatening and not caring about humans- just with the good/evil dichotomy intact.

Off topic, but writing horror with gay and other diverse characters is hilarious because you're pressured by the masses to write uwu smoll beaaans that always get a happy ending. "WTF hoe could you kill off a gay character, queer baiting bury your gays!!!" One of the best parts about horror is unpredictably and that just forces you to cockblock your own work.

Fear of the unknown and mysterious in a shit universe that don't give a fuck about you is peak cosmic horror. Just taking the basic Chthulhu mythos with gays who are guaranteed to get a happy ending is going to be bland as fuck, sorry @Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran . If it helps, Lovecraft Country got canceled before a second season could be made and works that lean on diversity never get popular in the cosmic horror scene outside of niche communities. Cosmic horror fans are usually a bit more old school on how they like their fiction, and more importantly, pay to be scared, not to jerk off to diversity.

 

[Kickster]

I remember a time when J.P was a philosophical masterpiece over the argument if men should play God or not and the consequences of doing so just because you can

Bruh it was a stupid film with cool effects

 

[Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran]

Just taking the basic Chthulhu mythos with gays who are guaranteed to get a happy ending is going to be bland as fuck, sorry @Vril-Dame vom Aldebaran .

Why do you say sorry when we agree? My point was that those kinds of stories put me off the weird fiction revival because they simply don't get the genre. It's all just surface level pastiche.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Why do you say sorry when we agree? My point was that those kinds of stories put me off the weird fiction revival because they simply don't get the genre. It's all just surface level pastiche.

Nah, I meant sorry that they're being infected by it and that you had to see it, sorry for the unclear wording. We definitely on the same boat.

 

[Lensherr]

I'm beyond tired of people complaining about how things used to be but still engage in shilling out their money to the same corporations that continually fuck them over.
You could make a movie about superheroes shitting, and slap a Marvel logo over it and people would still buy those movie tickets.

FOMO. It's a helluva drug.