Xbox Thread (Like/Hate) - Mainly focusing on the lackluster exclusives, weak points, or strong points of Xbox consoles

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4090 Chad said:
That’s my hope/cope… an Xbox PC box that has good price to performance would help to keep PC prices in check.
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The problem is that to my understanding consoles have historically been cheaper than PCs because using specialized operating systems and making certain concessions allowed them to cheap out on hardware (not to mention corners cut during the manufacturing process).
If the next console is just a windows 11 pc then there’s no fucking way they’ll be able to sell it on cheaper hardware and we’re already seeing this with the Ally. It’ll cost like a upper-mid range and perform like a mid range with an xbox sticker on the case.
If it allows Steam like the Ally does there goes the “sell the console at a loss, make money with gamepass” strategy entirely.

If any of the next gen rumors are true it’s safe to assume Xbox management has literally no idea what to do.
 
Spaced Outside Cargo said:
The problem is that to my understanding consoles have historically been cheaper than PCs because using specialized operating systems and making certain concessions allowed them to cheap out on hardware (not to mention corners cut during the manufacturing process).
If the next console is just a windows 11 pc then there’s no fucking way they’ll be able to sell it on cheaper hardware and we’re already seeing this with the Ally. It’ll cost like a upper-mid range and perform like a mid range with an xbox sticker on the case.
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The Ally prices were set by ASUS. The pre-Xbox ZOG Ally pricing was also high. $800 for the ROG Ally X, and especially the $600 ROG Ally with the weak Z1 non-eXtreme. All it is this time around is ASUS's same handheld strategy, but with an Xbox coat of paint, and some new Windows optimizations/Xbox mode that are temporarily exclusive to that handheld IIRC. The new devices are likely relatively low in volume, nowhere near a traditional console launch or Steam Deck's 4-5 million sales. Anything with an "AI Z2 Extreme" in it is sharing supply with $1,000+ laptops that have AMD's Strix Point. I guess you could see it as a sidegrade to the Ryzen AI 9 365: it disables two more CPU cores, but has the full 16 CUs (Radeon 890M).

What are some of the concessions of the Xbox Series X? It uses a large x86 APU instead of x86 CPU + GPU, a lower amount of unified memory instead of the separate RAM + VRAM you see in most gaming PCs, and relatively low power draw, which affects the PSU, cooling system, and case size. I think the official PSU wattage is 315 Watts, but replacements can be as low as 255 Watts. Compare to 400-850 Watt PSUs found in typical gaming PCs (AMD recommends 750W minimum with the 9070 XT).

Based on MLID's Xbox Magnus leak, all of those factors would be the same for the new console. Except that instead of a monolithic APU, we're looking at two main chiplets, with the GPU chiplet shared with other AMD products. This presumably would improve the economies of scale for the console, because nearly 2/3 of the silicon is going to be produced millions of more times for AMD dGPUs.

Nobody is denying that Microsoft will raise the price for their next console (and I expect PS$600 from Sony), but it could be a good deal against gaming PCs at $800-1000, and a good deal against the TCO of Sony PS6 because you're bringing all your PC gaming libraries, and potentially piracy.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
and a good deal against the TCO of Sony PS6 because you're bringing all your PC gaming libraries, and potentially piracy.
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People are really overlooking not paying for multiplayer as a big selling point. People are scoffing at the big price increase, but not having to pay monthly just to have online access could potentially make it the cheaper option if you factor in like 3+ years of use.

I think it’s mainly going to come down to just how large of a performance difference there is between it and the PS6 for that increase in price.
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
but it could be a good deal against gaming PCs at $800-1000, and a good deal against the TCO of Sony PS6 because you're bringing all your PC gaming libraries, and potentially piracy.
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I remember where MS pulled the plug on Xbox's developer mode because of unofficial emulation. I take it MS would not want their next console to be associated with piracy, even indirectly.
 
The Last Stand said:
I remember where MS pulled the plug on Xbox's developer mode because of unofficial emulation. I take it MS would not want their next console to be associated with piracy, even indirectly.
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No you don’t, because that didn’t happen. They took down emulators and homebrew that were put on the Microsoft Store as private downloads for non-dev accounts, but dev mode and the ability to download emulators for it is still there today.
 
I will be there when Xbox officially pulls out of the gaming landscape and all that remains is the windows store. It will be funny as fuck seeing the last cope run out before Xbox bros will be forced to move elsewhere.
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umseriously said:
I will be there when Xbox officially pulls out of the gaming landscape and all that remains is the windows store. It will be funny as fuck seeing the last cope run out before Xbox bros will be forced to move elsewhere.View attachment 8098925
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Xbox's competition is TikTok if you think Xbox is a TV. Or you are a stupid boomer who thinks everything entertaining is "entertainment" and competes with one another.
 
umseriously said:
I will be there when Xbox officially pulls out of the gaming landscape and all that remains is the windows store. It will be funny as fuck seeing the last cope run out before Xbox bros will be forced to move elsewhere.View attachment 8098925
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I understand the sentiment behind “Kids these days would rather doomscroll all day than play a video game” but maybe they can at least try to make games that are more fun than doomscrolling on tiktok? They only have like a million billion dollars to put into figuring it out.
 
Spaced Outside Cargo said:
I understand the sentiment behind “Kids these days would rather doomscroll all day than play a video game” but maybe they can at least try to make games that are more fun than doomscrolling on tiktok? They only have like a million billion dollars to put into figuring it out.
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We're talking about a company that famously decided to make their game console into a cable box with a camera attached just as streaming was taking off.

The idea of fun games has seemingly been completely foreign to them since Peter Moore and David Fries left the division.
 
Let’s say they’re right, that TikTok is their main competition, and they successfully convince zoomers to play video games instead of dopamine-scrolling. They still have to convince those zoomers to play an Xbox instead of a Switch/Playstation/PC/emulating on their phones.
 
Problematic User Forever said:
We're talking about a company that famously decided to make their game console into a cable box with a camera attached just as streaming was taking off.
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I feel that strategy was used to appeal to normies who don’t play video games and more interested in TV. But still, why did they use their E3 keynote to show it off to gamers who want to see the next generation of games?
 
GeorgeFloydFentanylStash said:
I feel that strategy was used to appeal to normies who don’t play video games and more interested in TV. But still, why did they use their E3 keynote to show it off to gamers who want to see the next generation of games?
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It was still stupid, but I can at least see the reasoning. It's a game console, of course it's going to play games, but it also had to differentiate itself from the PS4, and that set of features was the TV stuff.
 
umseriously said:
I will be there when Xbox officially pulls out of the gaming landscape and all that remains is the windows store. It will be funny as fuck seeing the last cope run out before Xbox bros will be forced to move elsewhere.View attachment 8098925
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I... what? That's like saying Xbox's competition is a refrigerator. Social media and games aren't the same thing at all.

Like, yeah, golly gee, I sure would have bought twenty times the amount of Xbox games if it weren't for their vicious competitor, Kiwi Farms.
 
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