CN Xi Jinping fears US will try to starve China into submission

Sounds like a plan to me. NFG for Xi and his ilk.

Xi Jinping fears US will try to starve China into submission​

Joel Gehrke - Yesterday 1:50 PM

Chinese General Secretary Xi Jinping thinks the United States and its allies could deprive China of food in a crisis, an assessment underpinning a frank call for self-sufficiency.

Chinese Communist officials have struggled to feed the country for decades, particularly during Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward, which caused a famine that killed an estimated 30 million people from 1959 to 1961. Xi alluded to “the time of no grain” but cast the memory as motivation to fortify national security against external threats.

“I have repeatedly said Chinese people’s rice bowls should be firmly held in our own hands, never let others take us by the throat on eating, which is a basic survival issue,” Xi told a recent conference of Chinese economic officials.

“You have a very aggressive, self-confident leader, now going into a third term, declaring this a national security issue,” observed Evan Ellis, an expert on China’s engagement with Latin America at the U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute. “The significance is really the tone and a claim that Xi is making, rather than a change in policy.”

Such rhetoric tends to heighten the perceived risk of an impending conflict, as evidenced by the response to a message from China’s Commerce Ministry that advised families to stockpile a certain amount of daily necessities to meet the needs of daily life and emergencies last month.
“This sparked heated discussion online, with some users even speculating the call to stockpile food was related to the possible outbreak of war with Taiwan,” the South China Morning Post noted.

To Xi’s point, an overwhelming percentage of Chinese food imports originates in the U.S. or from close U.S. allies. China’s top five food suppliers in 2017 were Brazil, the U.S., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, according to an analysis by the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Put another way, four of China’s top five food suppliers are members of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing network, and the other, Brazil, elected an anti-communist president in 2018 who elevated U.S.-Brazil relations to the level of a major non-NATO ally in 2019.

“Our country has a relatively high reliance on imports for primary commodities,” said Han Wenxiu, deputy director of the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee for Financial and Economic Affairs, on Saturday. “Any big shortage of primary commodities can be turned into a gray rhino, especially regarding food security.”

"Gray Rhino" is a term popularized by Michele Wucker, who used it as a name for her 2016 book On the Obvious Dangers We Ignore. The Chinese Communist misgiving takes clearer shape in light of the specific sources of China’s food imports. China secured $104 billion worth of food from overseas in 2017, but nearly $23 billion of that came from Brazil, and another $18 billion of food originated in the U.S.
Indonesia, Thailand, Hong Kong, and Argentina ranked sixth through ninth, respectively, but France rounded out the top 10 by selling $2.84 billion of food to China.

“The reality is that China just doesn’t have the water and land to be food self-sufficient,” Ellis said.

Ellis, a former State Department policy planning adviser, suggested Xi overstayed the odds that the U.S. would use food as a lever against Beijing, arguing China could increase food purchases from other countries. But those efforts would be complicated by a major conflict in the Indo-Pacific.

“Would a lot of ships not dare to cover the insurance to sale through that active warzone? Very probably,” he said. “An active war in their own near-abroad would create serious disruptions for lots of different things, probably including food, but it’s not that a U.S. food cutoff would be the cause. It would be the Chinese launching a war in their own near-abroad.”


 

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If a war between the US and China goes nuclear, who grows the grain will be irrelevant because nothing will grow for years of nuclear winter.
That scenario is stupid because everyone not only overestimates the nuclear capabilities of China but also the impact of individual nukes, people think a nuke goes off and it's apocalypse time, but guess how many nukes we've tested in the fucking desert. I believe it reaches somewhere into the triple digits no, I just double checked & it's actually one thousand. That also goes without mentioning nuclear bomb tests that were made in other countries that did not result in the end of the fucking world. We did a nuke test in the ocean just to prove the Navy weren't irrelevant, the water splash of which made all the boats surrounding the nuke test radioactive & hilariously ironically irrelevant anyway since they couldn't be safely manned anymore, and we still eat fish from the ocean.

The only way we'd lose food production forever is if China absolutely bathed the United States in a wave of nuclear bombs to blanket the nation from coast to coast, & I doubt any one of their nukes could even cross the ocean before failing, & if it did, NORAD would strike that shit straight out of the air as soon as it came within striking distance.

MAD is practically irrelevant in this case. These people can't even build a dam right, what makes you think they could build a nuke right?
 
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I find it hilarious that China would throw away a perfectly good hand for no good reason. They literally just need to continue greasing politician’s palms but they’ve bought their own hype. There is literally no reason to go to war but I think they intend to.

Imo a war with any major power is a dumb idea for China. They don’t have a gazillion kids anymore. Despite their numbers they really can’t afford to take losses. Each young man they lose would essentially wipe out the life investments of two families at once. If I was China I wouldn’t trust Russia despite any posturing either, they’re addicted to seizing ports when they can.
 
I'm pretty sure Biden would starve the US before China starves. Xi is who Biden answers to anyways.
 
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What is this article on about. China has a huge land mass and the majority of the country are peasants who farm.

They won't be running out of food any time soon.

Keeping control of 1 billion gooks who are hungry might be a handful though.
 
What is this article on about. China has a huge land mass and the majority of the country are peasants who farm.
They can probably handle it, but it's not as simple as having a huge land mass:

The scarcity of arable land is a defining feature of Chinese agriculture (Zhang and Li 2018). In 2015, China fed 18.9 percent of the world’s population with only 8.5 percent of the world’s arable land. Furthermore, the limited agricultural land resource in China is distributed to 231 million households, resulting in an average farm size of only 0.96 acres per household (China Agricultural Development Report 2016), and even such small farms are usually scattered in several separate plots. Therefore, China faces two challenges: (a) preserving the quantity and quality of its arable land amid rapid urbanization; and, (b) consolidating land to increase agricultural productivity. China’s recent rural land reforms on these two aspects have implications not only for China, but the entire world.

Although China's agricultural output is the largest in the world, only 10% of its total land area can be cultivated. China's arable land, which represents 10% of the total arable land in the world, supports over 20% of the world's population. Of this approximately 1.4 million square kilometers of arable land, only about 1.2% (116,580 square kilometers) permanently supports crops and 525,800 square kilometers are irrigated. The land is divided into approximately 200 million households, with an average land allocation of just 0.65 hectares (1.6 acres).

China's limited space for farming has been a problem throughout its history, leading to chronic food shortage and famine. While the production efficiency of farmland has grown over time, efforts to expand to the west and the north have met with limited success, as such land is generally colder and drier than traditional farmlands to the east. Since the 1950s, farm space has also been pressured by the increasing land needs of industry and cities.
 
China becoming too reliant on countries that are their enemies will just make any hypothetical war with them much easier to fight. If you stop all shipments of food to there, they will have a very tough time feeding their soldiers and the rest of the population. To win a war with China, cutting off the food supply would weaken them greatly. China does not have enough farmland to feed their entire population, so it would easily kill millions if they were forced to sustain themselves.
Reminds me of Germany in both world wars. Declaring war on your largest trading partners isn't a winning move. You don't even really have to blockade them or anything, there's no way they can make up the difference in lost trade with their remaining "allies".
 
Imagine having two of the civilization-founding river valleys in your country and still being unable to feed yourselves, lmao
The funny thing about river valleys is that in addition to being the absolute best place to farm they are also the first place to get filled up with non-productive sprawl. And thats not just China either, thats a world-wide mistake.

Obviously the best way to make this not an issue is to not start any shit in the South or East China Seas but there's always the -admittedly slim- possibility that its some other country starts the shit so its best to have a plan.
 
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They can probably handle it, but it's not as simple as having a huge land mass:



Well that was informative. Shows how much of a paper tiger China is then. Its obvious all of the wealth is on the coast. The rest are peasants. The question then is what do you do with the rest of the land that is useless.
 
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