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Another thing: It has to be consistent.

If the only thing technology has not overcome is heat, then you can't suddenly have heat not make a difference. If magic requires blood the new special character in book 5 can't suddenly do magic without blood with no explanation.

The rules of the setting, conflict, and character don't have to be the same as our own, but they HAVE to be consistent.
 
That's what this book about worldbuilding I read talked about, believability. For your Fictional World to work, the audience must believe that it exist, somewhat. The same also applies to the story, the audience must also "believe" that the story actually happens
As an example, this was a big part of why the LoTR movies works immersively and the Rings of Power will keep popping you into the "I'm watching a TV show" due to the casting.

There was a lot of criticism in the LOtR movies how all the Hobbits/men/elves were pale complexioned and the orcs, others were brown. "Why bother being realistic when there are dragons in the text" was one quote. But at least LOtR TRIED to remove the jarring Starbucks Coffee Cup moments.

Look, we all know that any closed genetic society like the Shire or the Dwarves are going to reach a kind of phenotypical equilibrium after a couple of generations. There's not going to be genetic diversity in those communities. If there is visible diversity, it would suggest that there is a great deal of travel and cultural exchange going on (and that would negate the whole point of Hobbits travelling beyond the boundaries of the Shire - this is a closed society that doesn't travel, the journey is a Monumental Thing.)

The worldbuilding could have supported black River-Folk maybe, but then given that Gollum is a "baddie" and current culture won't allow depictions of black people to be Mary-Sue's or cut-outs these days, so that was not going to happen.

When the Rings of Power come out, I would *like* to see them NOT ignore how the character's genetic diversity comes from travel and to worldbuild strong cases for "The Elves From The South" rather than have everyone weirdly being born with different features and not mentioning it at all. But I suspect we'll get "the dwarves have different skin complexions because Warner Brothers Casting Decisions."

Welp, there goes the immersion.
 
As an example, this was a big part of why the LoTR movies works immersively and the Rings of Power will keep popping you into the "I'm watching a TV show" due to the casting.

There was a lot of criticism in the LOtR movies how all the Hobbits/men/elves were pale complexioned and the orcs, others were brown. "Why bother being realistic when there are dragons in the text" was one quote. But at least LOtR TRIED to remove the jarring Starbucks Coffee Cup moments.

Look, we all know that any closed genetic society like the Shire or the Dwarves are going to reach a kind of phenotypical equilibrium after a couple of generations. There's not going to be genetic diversity in those communities. If there is visible diversity, it would suggest that there is a great deal of travel and cultural exchange going on (and that would negate the whole point of Hobbits travelling beyond the boundaries of the Shire - this is a closed society that doesn't travel, the journey is a Monumental Thing.)

The worldbuilding could have supported black River-Folk maybe, but then given that Gollum is a "baddie" and current culture won't allow depictions of black people to be Mary-Sue's or cut-outs these days, so that was not going to happen.

When the Rings of Power come out, I would *like* to see them NOT ignore how the character's genetic diversity comes from travel and to worldbuild strong cases for "The Elves From The South" rather than have everyone weirdly being born with different features and not mentioning it at all. But I suspect we'll get "the dwarves have different skin complexions because Warner Brothers Casting Decisions."

Welp, there goes the immersion.
Plus also why would underground people have dark skin? Almost every creature we find that lives underground is super pale. (I mean desert or Savanah elves which would be dark skin could be interesting)
 
Plus also why would underground people have dark skin? Almost every creature we find that lives underground is super pale. (I mean desert or Savanah elves which would be dark skin could be interesting)
You could come up with a reason if you tried hard enough. For example, a fair few deep sea creatures are red, because water absorbs red wavelengths quickly, meaning that below a certain depth a red object is only precievable as black against a black background. Assuming that the underground in question has more than zero light, just play with the light sources until you get a justification. Say the bioluminescent mushrooms kick off a ton of incidental UV. Boom, everyone is dark skinned.

But you know they're not going to do that, it's just going to be the usual inexplicable Bennetton casting with zero explanation because shut up racist.
 
You could come up with a reason if you tried hard enough. For example, a fair few deep sea creatures are red, because water absorbs red wavelengths quickly, meaning that below a certain depth a red object is only precievable as black against a black background. Assuming that the underground in question has more than zero light, just play with the light sources until you get a justification. Say the bioluminescent mushrooms kick off a ton of incidental UV. Boom, everyone is dark skinned.

But you know they're not going to do that, it's just going to be the usual inexplicable Bennetton casting with zero explanation because shut up racist.
Or underground radiation from mining too much Mithril. Melanin pigment is bioprotective against radiation, which is how the radiotrophic fungi growing in the Chernobyl Power Plant is happily chugging on those sweet sweet gamma rays.
 
Tor wrote some sort of bullshit read it, its terrible; but look at the bio, firstly pronouns in the bio so opinions immediately disregarded, secondly he/they/she what the fuck does this even mean? I'm supposed to write like:
He deserves to be beat.
When I beat they I wont stop.
I hope she last breath comes soon.

Like what?
 
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Ah yes, classic case of the woke trying so hard to be politically correct that they unintentionally use stereotypes. Can't wait until the cancelling begins with comparing autists to robots. Also $50 says that the author of this article is self-diagnosed and gets all of their knowledge of autism from tiktok or twitter.
 
Ah yes, classic case of the woke trying so hard to be politically correct that they unintentionally use stereotypes. Can't wait until the cancelling begins with comparing autists to robots. Also $50 says that the author of this article is self-diagnosed and gets all of their knowledge of autism from tiktok or twitter.
Yeah the whole fucking review is awful but expected awful the pronouns in the bio really threw me though
 
As with all things, this type of fiction won't get better until 1) the authors pull their heads out of their asses or 2) by some miracle, a publisher decides not to follow PC trends and just run with whatever.
Trying hard to be counter-woke is a poor sales tactic because you're antagonizing a vague, ethereal group of podpeople who have no other job other than to cancel things on twitter.
 
Ah yes, classic case of the woke trying so hard to be politically correct that they unintentionally use stereotypes. Can't wait until the cancelling begins with comparing autists to robots. Also $50 says that the author of this article is self-diagnosed and gets all of their knowledge of autism from tiktok or twitter.
It's always fun: if you try to list signs/indications of a person, then that's being stereotypical and racist. However if you remove all those and just have the person be, then that's whitewashing and erasure.

Basically we all need more minorities in fiction - but there is no correct way to ever portray any minority in fiction.
 
It's always fun: if you try to list signs/indications of a person, then that's being stereotypical and racist. However if you remove all those and just have the person be, then that's whitewashing and erasure.

Basically we all need more minorities in fiction - but there is no correct way to ever portray any minority in fiction.
People instinctively know stereotypes are true but they don't want to admit it publicly.
 
Im re-reading the general series by David Drake and S&M Stirling ( 9/10 one of my favorites of all time available here) and its really making me think what happened to Stirling?
 
Today in Crazy People Who Want to Be Writers...

So, there's a discussion I know of where there's a bunch of talk about how the male and female categories in sports need to be erased. Over and over again women were saying that the categories were divided to prevent women from embarrassing men.

There were dozens of posts talking about how science has proven women are stronger, faster, have more endurance, possess better pain tolerance, and can survive better than men.

Anyone who asked for citations or proof was shouted down as a misogynist. Anyone who posted proof to the opposite was shouted down.

How the fuck do these women actually think this is close to true?

Is that bit about the waif beating up the 200 lb mercenary that fucking ingrained?
 
Tor wrote some sort of bullshit read it, its terrible; but look at the bio, firstly pronouns in the bio so opinions immediately disregarded, secondly he/they/she what the fuck does this even mean? I'm supposed to write like:
He deserves to be beat.
When I beat they I wont stop.
I hope she last breath comes soon.

Like what?

1. Murderbot is very overrated. 2. Of course the writer of this piece is trans. But also, lol:

SISTER OF THE SUN is a YA fantasy novel inspired by Greek Mythology that focuses on a teenage Artemis on a quest to rescue her brother Apollo after he’s kidnapped. (That’s not my full pitch—my full pitch contains more plot information that I’m suddenly terrified of divulging publicly, haha).

This story features:
  • A love triangle that ends in polyamory (Artemis has TWO HANDS and she’s going to use them BOTH)
  • Multiple characters with PTSD who all cope with it very differently
  • Artemis who is bi, ace, trans, and autistic
  • Fat characters who are viewed as beautiful because they’re fat, not despite it (including loving, praising descriptions of fat bodies that outright use the word “fat” rather than hiding behind euphemisms like “plus size” and “chubby”)
  • A diverse cast of characters, including characters who are…
    • Autistic
    • Deaf
    • Trans (both binary and nonbinary)
    • Bisexual
    • Asexual
    • Gay
    • Disabled
    • Mentally ill
  • Hot butches with MUSCLES
And, being a YA book, it includes such relatable teen experiences as:
  • Going to a party that your big brother is throwing (even though you’re definitely too young to be there) and accidentally getting drunk
  • Yelling at your dad while your older siblings are watching in the background, absolutely delighted
  • Having to watch your mom and stepmom awkwardly interact with each other
  • Getting a brief crush on a woman old enough to be your mom
  • Being the only sober person while all of your friends are super high
  • Having the terrifying realization that your parents actually do not know everything and are capable of fucking up in major ways
  • Being convinced that everyone hates you even though they all keep telling you, repeatedly and explicitly, “hey I really like you”

Seriously, who buys this crap? Who wants to read this crap?
 
How the fuck do these women actually think this is close to true?

Is that bit about the waif beating up the 200 lb mercenary that fucking ingrained?
I warned her as graphically as I could that she was already well down the slippery slope leading to poverty and misery—that, as I knew from the experience of untold patients, she would soon have a succession of possessive, exploitative, and violent boyfriends, unless she changed her life. I told her that in the past few days, I had seen two women patients who had had their heads rammed down the lavatory, one who had had her head smashed through a window and her throat cut on the shards of glass, one who had had her arm, jaw, and skull broken, and one who had been suspended by her ankles from a tenth-floor window to the tune of, "Die, you bitch!"​
"I can look after myself," said my 17-year-old.​
"But men are stronger than women," I said. "When it comes to violence, they are at an advantage."​
"That's a sexist thing to say," she replied.​
A girl who had absorbed nothing at school had nevertheless absorbed the shibboleths of political correctness in general and of feminism in particular.​
"But it's a plain, straightforward, and inescapable fact," I said.​
"It's sexist," she reiterated firmly.​
A stubborn refusal to face inconvenient facts, no matter how obvious, now pervades our attitude toward relations between the sexes. An ideological filter of wishful thinking strains out anything we'd prefer not to acknowledge about these eternally difficult and contested relations, with predictably disastrous results.​
I meet with this refusal everywhere, even among the nursing staff of my ward. Intelligent and capable, as decent and dedicated a group of people as I know, they seem, in the matter of judging the character of men, utterly, almost willfully, incompetent.​

That was written back in 19 FUCKING 99. Do you really think things have improved in 20+ years?
 
I warned her as graphically as I could that she was already well down the slippery slope leading to poverty and misery—that, as I knew from the experience of untold patients, she would soon have a succession of possessive, exploitative, and violent boyfriends, unless she changed her life. I told her that in the past few days, I had seen two women patients who had had their heads rammed down the lavatory, one who had had her head smashed through a window and her throat cut on the shards of glass, one who had had her arm, jaw, and skull broken, and one who had been suspended by her ankles from a tenth-floor window to the tune of, "Die, you bitch!"​
"I can look after myself," said my 17-year-old.​
"But men are stronger than women," I said. "When it comes to violence, they are at an advantage."​
"That's a sexist thing to say," she replied.​
A girl who had absorbed nothing at school had nevertheless absorbed the shibboleths of political correctness in general and of feminism in particular.​
"But it's a plain, straightforward, and inescapable fact," I said.​
"It's sexist," she reiterated firmly.​
A stubborn refusal to face inconvenient facts, no matter how obvious, now pervades our attitude toward relations between the sexes. An ideological filter of wishful thinking strains out anything we'd prefer not to acknowledge about these eternally difficult and contested relations, with predictably disastrous results.​
I meet with this refusal everywhere, even among the nursing staff of my ward. Intelligent and capable, as decent and dedicated a group of people as I know, they seem, in the matter of judging the character of men, utterly, almost willfully, incompetent.​

That was written back in 19 FUCKING 99. Do you really think things have improved in 20+ years?
Dalrymple is a world treasure all of his articles are gold.

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Today in Crazy People Who Want to Be Writers...

So, there's a discussion I know of where there's a bunch of talk about how the male and female categories in sports need to be erased. Over and over again women were saying that the categories were divided to prevent women from embarrassing men.

There were dozens of posts talking about how science has proven women are stronger, faster, have more endurance, possess better pain tolerance, and can survive better than men.

Anyone who asked for citations or proof was shouted down as a misogynist. Anyone who posted proof to the opposite was shouted down.

How the fuck do these women actually think this is close to true?

Is that bit about the waif beating up the 200 lb mercenary that fucking ingrained?

Got a link to this insanity or would that PL you too much?
 
Absolutely horrifying read, even more horrifying when I realized it was from 1999 and 2022. The sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Seriously, who buys this crap? Who wants to read this crap?
Less than ten thousand people and that's being generous, going be the sales numbers typical wokies rack up. I'm sure there's a bunch of out-of-touch boomers in a boardroom somewhere saying "Everyone on that popular bird forum the kids these days post on loves this 'woke' stuff, we'll make a fortune!"
And then they don't. Which of these once-reputable publishing houses will be the first to go under because they gambled everything on rainbow hairs who don't actually read books and alienated their long-time paying audience for social media points? The world wonders.
 
Dalrymple is a world treasure all of his articles are gold.

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Got a link to this insanity or would that PL you too much?
IT'd PL me too much.

They're still arguing that women are actually stronger, faster, and have more endurance than men. Still arguing that the sex division in sports is to keep women from embarassing men.

It's fucking tiresome.
 
IT'd PL me too much.

They're still arguing that women are actually stronger, faster, and have more endurance than men. Still arguing that the sex division in sports is to keep women from embarassing men.

It's fucking tiresome.
Anyone who's seen those videos of troons that didn't even bother with HRT infiltrating women's sports and "setting records" knows the physical difference between men and women is substantial. But then these same retards think troons are real women. It's sexism disguised as feminism.
 
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