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I assumed the Gen Z aversion to romance stories was more like a backlash against unbearably horny Millennial writing that was only about people "discovering" themselves and trying to decide who and what they're horny for. Gen Z wants more platonic friendships between people who aren't all secretly gay for each other. I always go back to the relationship between Frodo and Samwise in The Lord of the Rings; Two very close, dedicated friends supporting each other through an unbelievably arduous task. It's a wholesome, heart-warming, and enviable relationship, but then everyone just makes jokes about them fucking. Gen Z wants more of the former, less of the latter. Of course, the only way a Millennial publisher can wrap their porn-sick brain around this concept is to slap some labels on it, calling it asexual and aromantic. So it's not just that these two characters just don't think about sex all the time, or don't want to fuck each other, they don't want to fuck anyone. Because if you're not thinking about sex 24/7, you're not thinking about it at all.
 
Aromantic and asexual just makes me wonder what the point of the novel is. I don't get the hook of the story. I don't understand who the audience is. Without those elements, I'd assume it would be a simple YA romance where the two leads hate each other online but realize they're romantically compatible in real life and then, oh no, they realize that they're actually super_saiyan_sephiroth69 and _x_TAYLORSTAN_x_, will their relationship survive? But cutting out those two pillars from a YA novel just leaves you with... what, two people becoming friends after they disliked each unknowingly? Who gives a shit?
 
I don't get the hook of the story. I don't understand who the audience is....two leads realize they're romantically compatible in real life...But cutting out those two pillars from a YA novel just leaves you with... what, two people becoming friends after they disliked each unknowingly? Who gives a shit?
Me. I'm usually more interested in the adventure and the magic/worldbuilding than any romance tossed in there to fill a checkbox. Give me a Frodo & Sam friendship any day over a Bella & Edward
 
Me. I'm usually more interested in the adventure and the magic/worldbuilding than any romance tossed in there to fill a checkbox. Give me a Frodo & Sam friendship any day over a Bella & Edward
I'm fine with either as long as it's well done. Remember LotR had Frodo & Sam AND Aragorn & Arwen.
 
That's legit interesting. Yeah from the days of Eragon I would have absolutely guessed Paolini as bog-standard liberal.

And congrats to him. I was one of those who critiqued his books (and the marketing around them) but am legit happy he has had a good life.

He is genuinely one of the nicest guys I've met in publishing, with a bit of that nerdy teen still shining through. He understands full well he hit the jackpot, he loves every minute, and loves his fans who made it possible.

Plus, he is incredibly intelligent. At one event I teased him about "ripping off Star Wars". He laughed, and said "I didn't rip off Star Wars, I ripped off Joseph Campbell." And then did one of the most brilliant breakdowns of the heroes journey I'd ever seen.
 
He is genuinely one of the nicest guys I've met in publishing, with a bit of that nerdy teen still shining through. He understands full well he hit the jackpot, he loves every minute, and loves his fans who made it possible.

Plus, he is incredibly intelligent. At one event I teased him about "ripping off Star Wars". He laughed, and said "I didn't rip off Star Wars, I ripped off Joseph Campbell." And then did one of the most brilliant breakdowns of the heroes journey I'd ever seen.
Im really glad for him i never finished his series because I frankly had a tough transition from my early teen years to my later teens, and the split of Brisingr and Inheritance meant that Inheritance kinda got dropped but im really genuinely glad for him.
 
Me. I'm usually more interested in the adventure and the magic/worldbuilding than any romance tossed in there to fill a checkbox. Give me a Frodo & Sam friendship any day over a Bella & Edward
Sure, but this is a contemporary YA story set at Wellesley College which makes me think it's not going to have much in the way of magic, worldbuilding, or adventure. Take John Green. People love to criticize his depiction of Alaska, but absolutely no one would read that novel if it was just a tale of 'a guy and a girl know each other platonically, and then she dies.'
 
Looking at what kind of novels Gen Z are writing for themselves, and not what they're buying from Millennial writers, it looks like Isekai, Progression, and LitRPG are the genres of choice. I... don't know what to make of this. All I can guess is that it's kids who grew up with video games and so this very mechanical, linear development is just how they perceive things. On the bright side, I can see this being something much more appealing to young boys and a better vehicle to draw them into the hobby of reading and writing, but on the other hand.... I dunno. Maybe I'm just too old to understand.

Sure, but this is a contemporary YA story set at Wellesley College which makes me think it's not going to have much in the way of magic, worldbuilding, or adventure. Take John Green. People love to criticize his depiction of Alaska, but absolutely no one would read that novel if it was just a tale of 'a guy and a girl know each other platonically, and then she dies.'
I don't think people are saying they want stories just about platonic friendships, but rather stories about platonic friends doing stuff together without there being any sexual or romantic tension.
 
662....of course its a tiny biased sample size. Study discarded.
662 is well into significant. What’s important is that it’s a survey, and those are fucking terrible at everything to the point where I don’t consider them science after a point.

All novels written by survey are soulless. I used to pick up old fantasy novels written after lord of the rings, a camp I worked at had an ancient, awful collection, and I’d just flip to the map and count how many “dhooms” and “Murdoors” there were. The odd time I’d find one that was like, a giant mushroom or I knew I found something readable. But all those wastes of paper were made because people wanted lord of the rings.

We’re going to have three years of “Parkour Black Kid vs evil Banker Bro” and they’re all gonna be shit, written by Steven Pastis looking white guys from Seattle. The good shit will just have a little bit longer to cook.
 
He is genuinely one of the nicest guys I've met in publishing, with a bit of that nerdy teen still shining through. He understands full well he hit the jackpot, he loves every minute, and loves his fans who made it possible.

Plus, he is incredibly intelligent. At one event I teased him about "ripping off Star Wars". He laughed, and said "I didn't rip off Star Wars, I ripped off Joseph Campbell." And then did one of the most brilliant breakdowns of the heroes journey I'd ever seen.
What @JJLiautaud said. I always thought Naomi Novik had the better dragon series but i like and respect someone who recognizes that they are where they are because of the fans and appreciates that.

But he did rip off star wars. ;)
 
An article published back in 2021, under going reasons why Twitter users are the worst readers.

I'd say it's because they're retards with poor reading comprehension. They can read, but they’re unable to comprehend what it is they're reading.

They've been nothing but a destructive force on the publishing industry. I'd say they're the reason we almost lost major book stores back in 2020, and why said stores had to expand beyond just selling books to get by.

Edit: I forgot to mention that she does a good job highlighting examples of Twitter BPDs twisting her words around,

In most cases when I’ve taken heat on Twitter, what I actually said mattered far less than what I didn’t say but that others inferred. I wanted Tolkien removed from bookstores, I didn’t want youth to read books, I approved of whitewashing — all conclusions that, given who I am and what I believe, make me unsure whether to laugh or cry or vomit. I was accused, over and over again, of the sin of not being clear. Many detractors told me, “If people are making the wrong assumptions about what you said, then obviously it’s because you’re a shit writer.”
 
An article published back in 2021, under going reasons why Twitter users are the worst readers.

I'd say it's because they're retards with poor reading comprehension. They can read, but they’re unable to comprehend what it is they're reading.

They've been nothing but a destructive force on the publishing industry. I'd say they're the reason we almost lost major book stores back in 2020, and why said stores had to expand beyond just selling books to get by.

Edit: I forgot to mention that she does a good job highlighting examples of Twitter BPDs twisting her words around,
This is the dumb bitch who wanted tolkien removed from B&N I have zero sympathy for her
 
An article published back in 2021, under going reasons why Twitter users are the worst readers.

I'd say it's because they're retards with poor reading comprehension. They can read, but they’re unable to comprehend what it is they're reading.

They've been nothing but a destructive force on the publishing industry. I'd say they're the reason we almost lost major book stores back in 2020, and why said stores had to expand beyond just selling books to get by.

Edit: I forgot to mention that she does a good job highlighting examples of Twitter BPDs twisting her words around,
Agreed. Twitter's a fucking cancer and it's ruined the ability of many of its users to read or comprehend anything longer than 140 characters. Getting off it altogether is probably the best solution, like that one Asian girl who got raked over the coals by Twitter idpol Nazis for being racist because she wrote about slavery in her debut novel and that was somehow anti-black, so she quit Twitter and got it published anyway and just ignored their screeching afterwards.
 
It's nice to know that about Butcher. I have studiously avoided looking up his politics because I enjoy his work so much that I can't justify not buying it, and if I found his politics were something I reviled I'd probably feel bad about torrenting them.
I don't know about his politics, but I do know he's a fucking idiot that completely screwed up his own life just to get some aging porn-whore pussy.
 
The Mary Sue, writing about GoodReads. You know this is going to be a nuanced take, right? 😐

I couldn't be bothered to add the images that look like they were drawn by a fourth grader with cerebral palsy, but they're at the links if you want to look at them.
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Goodreads Awards Find New Ways To Disappoint in Latest Overhaul

By Alyssa ShotwellNov 15th, 2023, 5:04 pm



It wouldn’t be a Goodreads Choice Awards season without at least a few controversies and renewed debates. This year, the Amazon-owned company removed a few award categories, added one, and produced a very white selection, once again.

Before getting into the controversies new and old, it’s important to remember the platform itself has a storied, frustrating history since the early 2010s. After Amazon bought it in 2013 to vertically monopolize the book market, it merged Goodreads with its app Shelfi. With few exceptions, like integrating Goodreads with the main shopping site, Amazon largely left it alone. Until the 2020s, the site even looked ancient. I’m just talking about the UX, but this lack of investment extended to other issues like review bombing (until 2023) and spotty genre categorization.

The Goodreads Choice Awards began in 2009, three years after the site’s founding, and maintains a simple premise. The most read books in various categories reach the semi-final, and the site opens voting for all users. All you need is a Goodreads account. For better and for worse, there’s now a verification process that you must have read the book to vote. Across social media, authors (and their mega fans) will campaign encouraging people to vote. There’s no prize, but just the title they can put on future printings and a badge next to the book on Amazon, denoting its popularity.

Romance still so very white—and sometimes not even romance?

The most popular genre that doesn’t rely on a celebrity name to win (like Best Memoir & Autobiography) is romance. As the most popular genre of literature, that’s no surprise. Unfortunately, what’s also not a surprise is how painfully beige the list is. Of the 20 semi-finalists, Ana Huang is the only person of color. The stark whiteness, of course, extends to the characters, although that might be for the best. The only thing that would make this worse is if the list were exclusively white authors with the self-appointed authority to write stories about people of color. While characters may have sexual diversity within the pages, the books’ main romances are men/women pairs.

Over the years, marginalized users and authors have expressed disappointment that this process—across all genres—was almost exclusively white. This issue with Goodreads carries over from the publishing industry. A lack of diversity in publishing (from hiring to acquisitions) and support to promote more than a handful of authors of color influences what readers are exposed to.

This isn’t to absolve readers. Many Black and brown readers have shared stories where friends “can’t relate” to non-white characters, but can relate to magical people/creatures. Goodreads (and bias algorithms on other sites, too) only exacerbates this issue. Additionally, until recently, the company refused to do much of anything on review-bombing—something that effects all types of authors, but is a common weapon against debut authors of color and queer writers.

(Alyssa Shotwell)

All of this results in cisgender, white authors dominating all categories. Long term, of the 41 authors who’ve won more than once, only three are people of color. These include Angie Thomas, Chrissy Teigen, and Amanda Gorman. To the credit of Goodreads’ editorial team, the awards have become more diverse in the last few years. This might be due to pushing for diverse books all year long.

Also, last year, the organizers took a curatorial approach by including some less reviewed, but highly rated and critically acclaimed books by POC in the semi-final. However, backlash came when many white readers and at least one major author (Jay Kristoff) chided the decision. Regardless of the curated (and still majority white) semi-finalists, the winners remain mostly white, with few exceptions.

In addition to the lack of racial and gender diversity, many readers pointed to one of the most famous titles (Happy Place by Emily Henry) failing to meet the basic criteria of a romance book. Since publication, romance readers accused the publisher, too, for mis-marketing Happy Place as a romance. While I’m not sure how much of that applies here, the phenomenon is common, as publishers want to capture the large romance audience. This push happens in other genres outside of contemporary, too.

Goodreads ditches major categories

(Alice Oseman/Hachette Children’s Group)

With the 2023 awards, the site announced the new category of “Romantasy” alongside its preexisting categories of fantasy, YA fantasy, and romance. While I’m not drawn to the genre, this makes sense. It’s a hugely popular subgenre—especially on BookTok. However, in adding this category, Goodreads decided to remove three other categories: Graphic Novels, Middle Grade Fiction, and Poetry. With no actual award or monetary value beyond the labor of selecting titles, readers expressed confusion with the choice to retire three beloved categories.

While I don’t read poetry or middle grade fiction (with few exceptions), these and graphic novels are hugely popular. The least popular category, poetry, still had over 178,000 users vote in 2022. People looking to try the genre will also look at the finalists from last year for suggestions. Only behind romance and memoir/autobiography, the graphic novel winner last year, Heartstopper Volume 4 by Alice Oseman, was the third most-voted book across all categories. That single book got 134,174 votes, with over 180,400 people voting for other comics and graphic novels.

Because the reviews (and votes) of middle grade fiction are likely made up mostly of parents, authors, and educators rather than actual middle grade readers, and it’s the least popular section, there’s a case to remove that section they really couldn’t add a category without removing one—also because, except 2009 and 2021, Rick Riordan stayed the winner. However, the cons seem like they outweigh the pros. Why remove a category at all? The awards give books more exposure and the site (probably) is only still up to harvest data for Amazon sales.

This isn’t the first time Goodreads has removed categories. Things like Chick Lit, Picture Books, Paranormal Fantasy, Cover Art, Author, and YA Series have also been removed. Additionally, the site largely consolidated the former categories of Travel & Outdoors, Business, Science & Tech, and Food & Cooking between Non-Fiction and History & Biography. Some (but not all) of these changes make sense because the internet has changed how many people read. This doesn’t apply to much to the newly chopped categories.

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After Years of Relative Silence, Goodreads Vows to Combat Review Bombing

By Vanessa EsguerraNov 8th, 2023, 5:50 am



Review bombing on Goodreads gradually made the book-centric social cataloging platform lose credibility. The act of negatively reviewing a book that hasn’t even been released affected Goodreads’ ecosystem terribly, and so far, there have been little to no measures against review bombing. Hopefully, that’s about to change.

In a recent statement, Goodreads claimed they want to ensure that the reviews found on their site are “trustworthy, relevant, and authentic” for the community. They finally acknowledged that there has been an issue regarding review bombing, which artificially inflates or deflates the value of a book through reviews. Although owning up to the problem is a solid first step in the right direction, what measures will Goodreads put in place to prevent these incidents?

According to Goodreads, they’ve already limited the amount of reviews and ratings on a book and look out for unusual activity. Per their statement:

“We continue to invest in improvements to quickly detect and moderate content and accounts that violate our reviews or community guidelines. For example, we’ve strengthened account verification to block potential spammers, expanded our customer service team to accelerate our response time, and added more ways for our members to report problematic content.”

They are also “currently in the process of removing ratings and reviews added during times of previous unusual activity that violate our guidelines.”

Goodreads has made it clear that they are against review bombing and that it will no longer be tolerated. It’s better late than never, but some from the writing community on X (formerly Twitter) seem to be skeptical about how effective Goodreads’ policies will be.

PEN America, which is part of a worldwide organization that protects freedom of expression within literature, has previously had this to say about the problems facing Goodreads and its users:

“At their best, sites like Goodreads function as channels for engagement and debate, driving sales and helping authors reach new audiences. But when they are used to pressure authors to change or pull their books, or to demand that readers avoid certain books altogether, users can chill the space for disagreement and unorthodoxy and discourage writers from taking chances in their work.”

Will Goodreads’ new preventative measures work? We’ll just have to wait and see.

The ironic thing about Goodreads is that although they were acquired by Amazon in 2013, the site doesn’t have the same protection mechanisms in place to prevent review bombing the way Kindle does. Although Kindle review bombing does exist, it’s not on the same massive scale that happens on Goodreads.

Several book influencers have shared alternatives to Goodreads throughout the years. Anybody familiar with the great Twitter and Reddit migration to Tumblr, as well as bookworms and bibliophiles, would know that there was a push to move from Goodreads to The StoryGraph. Overall, The StoryGraph’s interface is objectively better in terms of aesthetics and functionality. The best part is that The StoryGraph lets users migrate their Goodreads library to their app, which makes the process of transitioning easier if Goodreads just isn’t working for you anymore.

Goodreads is taking a step in the right direction. Let’s just hope it’s enough.

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I used to use GoodReads, but fell out of the habit more out of laziness more than anything else.
 
^ Lol, romance is still mostly white because white women read it and white women like white men. If you haven't realized it yet you need a new battery in your brain.
Writing itself is mostly white because most English speakers are white. Go figure.
 
The Mary Sue journo scum leaves the more interesting part of the article in the second half. The "why is romance so whyte???" stuff is boring and played out, these retards 100% know white people are the majority of the consumers and creators of this genre (in the English language) and there is no mystery behind it.

I do agree with the categories being very disappointing. It's very catered to the TikTok crowd - YA dominates a lot and leaving out Graphic Novels as a choice is odd. I don't think the selection was ever that great there (too much gay whining and boring auto/biographical stuff), but think about something hugely popular like Lore Olympus or Heartstopper. They have massive followings and as this is a Goodreads based competition, it does seem odd to leave out the one category that would feature them and similarly popular comics. There's also stuff like non-fiction pretty much encompassing everything aside from bios, history and humor (someone explain to me why this gets to remain separate, but poetry is not relevant), sci-fi often just being a codeword for YA + the one male author who writes actual sci-fi, and, as a personal gripe, them choosing the editions with the worst samey corporate covers so everything blends together.
 
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