YABookgate

Now see, I was just about to make an elections related effort post on the future of YA, but that'll have to wait a little bit, because I found this on TikTok and it's just too funny. Actually, it's all over TikTok & Instagram.

It appears that the BookTok accounts who were promoting New Adult dark romance smut have all been coming out declaring support for Trump. Bet you didn't see that one coming. And apparently, on BookTok, the line that people are repeating is that the people objecting to dark romance are the woke Kamala girls. The BookTok girls who are most vocally pro-Kamala also seem to be the ones most vocally critical of the sexualizing YA. At least, this is what I have gathered from reading the flame wars in the comments section. Apparently, the two camps on BookTok are. Pro-smut Trump girls, and anti-dark romance Kamala girls.

I attached a screenshot below, but there are thousands more like it:
"I voted Trump because I'm in favor of more sex in books allegedly aimed at teenagers" is fucking insane.

Maybe I'm too politics brained but this election has probably just made the state of publishing even shittier for the next few years
Maybe. I think, with only my gut feeling as a source, that the US is on the other side of a cultural turning point. Harris was the beneficiary of eight years of the Democratic party allowing their progressive wing to drive the conversation, because a large portion of Dems were all #RESIST after the 2016 election. And a lot of the stuff they pushed was just not popular, like police abolition/defunding, open borders and LGBT shit everywhere.

The last one is easier to point out where it peaked and where it declined: mid 2023. Bud Light decides that the drag queen demographic is one they want to court. Target puts LGBT clothes for kids front and center and gets hit hard. Transgender influencers go to the White House, and one takes topless selfies. Pride Month is chockablock with the question of 'sex at Pride, or kids at Pride' being answered with 'Both'. A year later and the rainbow deluge of June has been scaled back, Bud Light's sales are still down 30% from where they were at the beginning of 2023, Target moved Pride Month displays to the back of the store in a large portion of their stores and Harris' campaign (and, while this is a limited sample) the down-ballot Dems were rather quiet on gay stuff.

I think the publishing industry is going to take a little longer to get the message - it's largely made of progressives so they may still be inspired to fight for what they believe in but I think that their focus on 'diversity' that mostly doesn't seem to have any positive effect on sales is going to wind down as the people who actually want to make money start pushing for books that a larger percentage of the population actually want to read.
 
I legitimately cannot believe the vice president elect is quoting motherfucking Cormac McCarthy. I hope he starts quoting Frank Herbert next.

https://twitter.com/jdvance/status/1854925621425533043
https://twitter.com/klcmurphy/status/1854946429472502173
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Fastest way to out yourself as a complete fucking midwit who does not read books. Just watch le epic action movie and completely disregard the story.

It's not just an Anton Chigurh quote, it's a Cormac McCarthy quote. The story in No Country for Old Men is about how things have rapidly spiraled out of control, in ways that are nigh impossible for people to keep up with. Chigurh represents McCarthy's conception of the chaos and corruption inherent in the system, as he freely commits crimes, backed by a criminal organization to recover money from a drug deal gone wrong. He shouldn't even be there in the first place, because the drugs should not be there in the country, nor should the criminal organizations. It is the corruption and decay of the country that has allowed this to begin with, which is the point he's making (and the point McCarthy is making to the reader) when he says "If the rule you followed led you to this, of what use was the rule?" to the bounty hunter contracted to kill him and recover the money before Chigurh does. This point is expanded on in the following excerpt in ways that should be obvious to anyone:
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I wont talk about the war neither. I was supposed to be a war hero and I lost a whole squad of men. Got decorated for it. They died and I got a medal. I dont even need to know what you think about that. There aint a day I dont remember it. Some boys I know come back they went on to school up at Austin on the GI Bill, they had hard things to say about their people. Some of em did. Called em a bunch of rednecks and all such as that. Didnt like their politics. Two generations in this country is a long time. You're talkin about the early settlers. I used to tell em that havin your wife and children killed and scalped and gutted like fish has a tendency to make some people irritable but they didnt seem to know what I was talkin about. I think the sixties in this country sobered some of em up. I hope it did. I read in the papers here a while back some teachers come across a survey that was sent out back in the thirties to a number of schools around the country. Had this questionnaire about what was the problems with teachin in the schools. And they come across these forms, they'd been filled out and sent in from around the country answer in these questions. And the biggest problems they could name was things like talkin in class and runnin in the hallways. Chewin gum. Copyin homework. Things of that nature. So they got one of them forms that was blank and printed up a bunch of em and sent em back out to the same schools. Forty years later. Well, here come the answers back. Rape, arson, murder. Drugs. Suicide. So I think about that. Because a lot of the time ever when I say anything about how the world is goin to hell in a handbasket people will just sort of smile and tell me I'm gettin old. That it's one of the symptoms. But my feelin about that is that anybody that cant tell the difference between rapin and murderin people and chewin gum has got a whole lot bigger of a problem than what I've got. Forty years is not a long time neither. Maybe the next forty of it will bring some of em out from under the ether. If it aint too late.

Here a year or two back me and Loretta went to a conference in Corpus Christi and I got set next to this woman, she was the wife of somebody or other. And she kept talkin about the right wing this and the right wing that. I aint even sure what she meant by it. The people I know are mostly just common people. Common as dirt, as the sayin goes. I told her that and she looked at me funny. She thought I was sayin somethin bad about em, but of course that's a high compliment in my part of the world. She kept on, kept on. Finally told me, said: I dont like the way this country is headed. I want my granddaughter to be able to have an abortion. And I said well mam I dont think you got any worries about the way the country is headed. The way I see it goin I dont have much doubt but what she'll be able to have an abortion. I'm goin to say that not only will she be able to have an abortion, she'll be able to have you put to sleep. Which pretty much ended the conversation. I don't think I need to spell out how exactly all of this could be seen as analagous to the system in current day America.

TL;DR elites fucked shit up/let shit get fucked up, blindly strode forward, act shocked when people are unhappy and don't vote for their stooge.
Clearly the rule they followed wasn't of any use (except maybe to themselves, in the short term).
Book related post, which is vaguely related to this thread, as it concerns the state of reading comprehension and critical thinking, serving as explanation of the absolute state of publishing, YA, the modern book industry in general. Not that I would exactly call Cormac McCarthy YA, but maybe if there were more McCarthys, things wouldn't be so bad.
 
There's been some speculation on whether publishing society will become less woke due to the election. I believe the answer is obviously less, peak woke was actually 2020 and it's been on the decline ever since. That decline will likely accelerate in large segments of society. Now some people are thinking that this is about to happen to pop culture as well. I think this might happen with video games, and Hollywood may become more neutral in their tentpole films, but with publishing, I think we have to manage our expectations...especially with YA and YA-adjacent spheres. There are in fact several warning signs that books are about to get a lot more woke.

First, let's discuss the evidence of publishing becoming less woke. Publisher's Weekly published a report a couple days ago that Hachette Book Group is expanding their Basic Books subdivision with two new imprints: Basic Venture (a business and economics imprint) and Basic Liberty - a conservative imprint. The latter will be headed Thomas Spence, the former president of the hard-right Regnery Publishing. There's been a bunch of authors on X and TikTok outraged over this, using it as proof that the big pub houses are abandoning minorities, etc. Whether or not this choice was related to Trump's victory (I'm skeptical because I'm sure these guys were in talks for this business venture for months before it was announced) but obviously the end result will be more conservative books are going to be published by one of the big five going forward.

What most of the outraged authors and influencers seem to be missing is the fact that Basic Liberty is intended to be a non-fiction imprint. They will mostly be publishing philosophic musings on liberty as well as publishing economic agendas such as those espoused by the founder's former employer Heritage Foundation - the same people who made Project 2025. I'm sure there will be autobiographies by Sean Hannity, and, if they're feeling, maybe something by Jake Paul. But what it seems they will be publishing is anything fiction. If fiction becomes "based" or non-woke in the coming years, it will have nothing to do with Hachette's latest imprint. What Hachette is doing is nothing new. Most of the Big Five have a conservative imprint wherein they publish non-fiction stuff. Hachette is just getting in on the action, and people are only talking about it because of the timing. If Hachette had announced a new "apolitical" fantasy imprint or a YA imprint targeting men, then it would be a different story. But so far, this is nothing that I think wouldn't have happened under a Kamala presidency. During the Obama years, conservative imprints of the big five flourished. Opposition to a party often sells better when that party is in power, because people are fearful or/and mad and want to find others who agree with them.

That brings us to the final point: The first Trump term escalated the dominance of woke, so why should we expect the second term to have the opposite effect? 2020 was the absolute height of woke (so far!) and this was when Trump was President. This was when you were most likely to be canceled. Starting in late 2021, there was a backlash to woke that influenced nearly every aspect of society. Look at how difficult it is to cancel anyone today. Biden is still president. Sure, talk about Sweet Baby Inc all you want, but the same stuff was happening under Trump's presidency. The only difference is people weren't talking about it as much then.
The very fact that Sweet Baby Inc got in trouble is proof of the weakening of woke.

What are we seeing today? Browse the Booktwt community, browse anywhere where agents are posting, and you will see agents announcing that they are only going to take on clients that are minority women. You'll see authors and reviewers saying to unfollow them if you voted for Trump. You see authors talking about how before they were afraid to write their angry (left-leaning) political novel, but now everything is going to be political with them and that novel is coming fast and hard. I have not seen a single person say, "Now that I see how many people like Trump, I'm going to stop putting politics in my books," nor have I seen anyone say, "Now I'm going to write that based YA fantasy I was too afraid to write before."

This leads me to conclude that we are going to see a doubling down within fiction of all the woke themes we've been reading for the past several years. If anything, some of it will probably be much angrier. I think we'll have fewer sappy tolerance stories and a lot more "kill all the bigots in gruesome ways but first make them eat their loved ones" type of story. Whereas before, you could find a feminist protagonist roll her eyes at a boy skeptical of feminism and tell him that feminism is good for boys too because it means boys can cry or whatever, now you will find male bullies in these books shouting, "Your body, my choice!" and the feminist protagonist will respond by shooting his balls or something else aggressive.

This is because the exact same people who populate the YA and YA-adjacent world today will also populate it next year. This is not like gaming where a company can fire its whole team and get new coders and still market their game to an audience of tens of millions of gamers. YA publishing is more niche and there is a sense of community between reviewers, readers, and authors. A publishing that fires all or even half of their known authors because of political concerns is going to be boycotted. Keep in mind that the existing audience for YA is mostly women who either voted for Kamala Harris, or are apolitical but have friends who voted for Kamala Harris. And don't forget the third camp, that didn't vote for Kamala Harris because they were pro-Gaza. None of these camps are going to support a top-down approach from publishers trying to make things less woke.

Maybe there will be a top-down approach to try and expand the market of YA to a different group, but I think publishers will be too afraid to lose the audience they have by overreaching.
 
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Maybe I'm too politics brained but this election has probably just made the state of publishing even shittier for the next few years

Hope you're prepared for the entirety of every best-of list for the next 4 years being:

1) The Planet Is Overheating, We're Doomed!
2) Brownshirts Hauled Me Away
3) Gilead but with Some Even Weirder Sexual Twist
4) Trans Existence Is Resistance!
5) Obscure Minority Gives LGBT Twist to Classic Cultural Myth
 
Hope you're prepared for the entirety of every best-of list for the next 4 years being:

1) The Planet Is Overheating, We're Doomed!
2) Brownshirts Hauled Me Away
3) Gilead but with Some Even Weirder Sexual Twist
4) Trans Existence Is Resistance!
5) Obscure Minority Gives LGBT Twist to Classic Cultural Myth
Guess my coming-of-age story is never getting published lol
 
Guess my coming-of-age story is never getting published lol
Set it in the 1990s and make it all about your lesbian awakening by attending Lilith Fair. Even better if you're a dude so you can work in the troon angle, and the mean ol' TERFS excluding you from MichFest. Have a happy afterward with the election of Obama in 2008.

You'll soon sell the movie rights for big bucks, soundtrack by Melissa Ethridge and Sarah McLachlan and glowing reviews from MovieBob as a "can't miss feature."
 
t appears that the BookTok accounts who were promoting New Adult dark romance smut have all been coming out declaring support for Trump. Bet you didn't see that one coming. And apparently, on BookTok, the line that people are repeating is that the people objecting to dark romance are the woke Kamala girls. The BookTok girls who are most vocally pro-Kamala also seem to be the ones most vocally critical of the sexualizing YA. At least, this is what I have gathered from reading the flame wars in the comments section. Apparently, the two camps on BookTok are. Pro-smut Trump girls, and anti-dark romance Kamala girls.
i want all involved to suffer.
 
The only actual publishing house mentioned is Hachette who have been committing wrongthink by publishing JK Rowling's Cormoran Strike series since 2013. And agents have been prioritising or only looking for minority female authors for years now too. Is that much really going to change?

Can someone post more updates from the booktok split please, I'm invested.
 
Guess my coming-of-age story is never getting published lol

Not necessarily! It depends on whether you want to be a conservative culture warrior with your author profile or whether you just want to write a normal coming-of-age story. If you want to do the former, then yeah, you're out of luck. But you can do the latter even in this environment assuming you have good impulse control and a little savvy. I'm a pro-life Catholic and I manage just fine. So here are my serious tips for you going forward:

1. You must avoid the temptation to be "based" with your author profile. Don't advertise the fact that you're not woke or voted for Trump or whatever. That type of stuff will get you a following in the right-wing sections of X, including the "dissident" art scene hosted by BAP, but it won't get you many normie readers and it certainly won't help you get an agent or get reviewed by an influencer.

2. Take it one step further, don't indirectly publicly signal that you think woke is stupid. When a self-published writer starts criticizing trigger warnings or arguing that cancel culture is for babies, it's clear to agents & to many others that you're a conservative who doesn't want to explicitly say it. In short, avoid publicly posting proxy war positions that are associated with opposition to wokism.

3. But don't lie either. Don't talk about how woke you are when you're not. Don't denounce an author who you secretly agree with. Number one, your insincerity might shine through. Number two, if you wear a mask long enough, that mask might become your face. Number three, if you develop real friendships with woke authors and reviewers this way, you will feel like shit for lying. Number four, you should feel like shit for lying about your principles and denouncing people you agree with; it's wrong.

4. Just post normie-friendly stuff that you are enthusiastic about and you will find yourself building an audience of fellow normies & also some conservatives and wokes. Talk about books you like and talk about the popular tropes your book utilizes to build interest. Help promote fellow authors who write stuff similar to what you write, regardless of however those authors voted. Participate in pitch parties and respond to those tweets that go, "What's I'd your characters favorite color? Would you and your character be friends?" etc etc. Offer to be a critique partner to authors on your level. Post cute pics of your dog or cat.

5. Don't use AI art. Woke people will cancel you for it, and even many conservatives and apolitical people hate it as well. Being anti-AI is a pretty bipartisan position among writers on X.

6. If you have any "problematic" content in your book, make sure that it doesn't appear in the free sample available on Amazon.

7. Don't have a burner account where you post all sorts of right-wing stuff. Sooner or later, you'll post from the wrong account.
 
Maybe there will be a top-down approach to try and expand the market of YA to a different group, but I think publishers will be too afraid to lose the audience they have by overreaching.
YA is too associated with wokery & womenry to be rebranded, the only way to give boys an equivalent is to create a new term for it and try to get some traction that way.
 
YA is too associated with wokery & womenry to be rebranded, the only way to give boys an equivalent is to create a new term for it and try to get some traction that way.
I agree that this is the right solution
YA is pretty much a marketing term anyway, nothing prevent a new term to be created to target a specific demographic
It does need to be a new term/word, however, for ease of marketing and cataloguing
I propose something similar to the word "shounen", that one works for the manga website in the west, since Japan doesn't actually use that as a term/category in the first place (only as a magazine name)
 
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