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Did we read the same book? I thought she'd never been outside of the Lesser Pyramid at any point until all hell broke loose.
Yeah, I found probably the most haunting part of the whole book was when he reached the lesser redoubt.

And it just kind of hits you that this is the ultimate fate of ALL humanity one day. It won't just be like a bomb and a sudden violent death. It will be the loss of home and the wild, evil things chasing you all down one by one.

Those killed first will be the lucky ones.
 
Yeah, I found probably the most haunting part of the whole book was when he reached the lesser redoubt.

And it just kind of hits you that this is the ultimate fate of ALL humanity one day. It won't just be like a bomb and a sudden violent death. It will be the loss of home and the wild, evil things chasing you all down one by one.

Those killed first will be the lucky ones.
The narrator hiding and listening, powerless, as the terror-crazed people of the Lesser Pyramid get hunted down and eaten (or worse) by the monsters... Definitely the most horrifying part of the book.
 
Don't Chinese people tend to be very enthusiastic when it comes to their own culture though? Especially when it comes to ancient China. I see the labels wuxia and xianxia in a lot of online spaces now and even though I only have a surface level knowledge of it, from what I can tell it seems to be spreading a lot.
The chinese government has been trying to undo the cultural revolution and fight western influence by resurrecting old Chinese culture but as any kind of resurrection effort it’s more of an empty approximation of what came before.

It’s like if the Soviets Union tried to resurrect svetovid and the gang to stave off western fantasy.
 
The chinese government has been trying to undo the cultural revolution and fight western influence by resurrecting old Chinese culture but as any kind of resurrection effort it’s more of an empty approximation of what came before.
From what I've heard, it reminds me of the efforts in a lot of Celtic-speaking countries to revive their old language, where they spend tons of money and effort to make multilingual signs that nobody reads because nobody actually speaks that language anymore.
You can be some sort of autistic hobbyist who tries to re-learn whatever academia still remembers about "how it used to be," but you will have missed so much that's been forgotten over the years, and you'll never have the genuine spark behind it.
 
From what I've heard, it reminds me of the efforts in a lot of Celtic-speaking countries to revive their old language, where they spend tons of money and effort to make multilingual signs that nobody reads because nobody actually speaks that language anymore.
You can be some sort of autistic hobbyist who tries to re-learn whatever academia still remembers about "how it used to be," but you will have missed so much that's been forgotten over the years, and you'll never have the genuine spark behind it.
In my experience, the parts of the cultural industries that the CCP gets their fingers into inevitably turn into slop. Chinese movies in recent years are just special effects monstrosities with huge budgets but without any real substance. Their entire raison d'etre seems to be a kind of nationalist, "AHA SEE I CAN HAVE HOLLYWOOD TOO STUPID GWEILO." Overwrought productions attached to shit scripts that purely exist to "own" the decadent westoids.

Even web novels have gotten pretty bad recently. The government seems to have taken an active role in "guiding" what kind of content is acceptable and it's ended up killing a lot of the fun, schlocky stuff that people loved about Chinese web novels in the first place.

There's actually a pretty interesting video that touches on this over on the ol' youtubes:

They mostly see culture as a mechanism to achieve national goals rather than as a multi-faceted tool for humans to express themselves. Kinda like the recent blackrock-funded hollywood kerfuffles that have backfired so badly that Hollywood has somehow hit a solvency crisis.
 
They mostly see culture as a mechanism to achieve national goals rather than as a multi-faceted tool for humans to express themselves. Kinda like the recent blackrock-funded hollywood kerfuffles that have backfired so badly that Hollywood has somehow hit a solvency crisis.
Yeah if you watch some of those Chinese-watcher channels on the youtubes, they will often make reference to "soft power" being one of the things China is obsessed with - which would cover all of that stuff.

And yes, trying to artificially grow soft power is like trying to force a tree to grow - you just end up strangling the plant to death.
 
I'm incapable of answering this sincerely without being slightly racist so I'll just go for it.

Wuxia and Xianxia are both genres with long and esteemed histories that have, in the present year, devolved into the worst sort of web novel trash.

The sense I get being around Chinese recently extracted from the mainland (not heritage Chinese-Americans, they're culturally just white people at this point tbh) is that they don't really regard fiction as being all that useful or important. It's entertainment on the same level as jerking off or doomscrolling twitter - none of these are really 'bad' things but they're a waste of time compared to grinding for the bug exam.
My point was not that it was good but that there was still a type of cultural pride that existed. Wuxia was just an example but I probably could have thought of others.

The "mindless entertainment" point also applies to the west. No one goes through Marvel movies expecting any deeper meaning. Even if you used a popular literature example, works like Harry Potter also aren't sought out for deeper meaning.
 
My point was not that it was good but that there was still a type of cultural pride that existed. Wuxia was just an example but I probably could have thought of others.

The "mindless entertainment" point also applies to the west. No one goes through Marvel movies expecting any deeper meaning. Even if you used a popular literature example, works like Harry Potter also aren't sought out for deeper meaning.
But sometimes Marvel and harry potter can have deeper meanings. A good quality YA book can also been thought provoking. Was talking with a friend who recently found the stash of all his old books growing up and we got to talking about how some of them taught really good lessons. Like Be a Perfect Person in Just Three Days! by Stephen Manes. Not going to say it's some super deep work, but it's a solid, good parable about keeping a good perspective in life.

A lot of YA books out there would do well to not worry about trying to say some life-changing message and just convey some basics about getting through life.
 
My point was not that it was good but that there was still a type of cultural pride that existed. Wuxia was just an example but I probably could have thought of others.

The "mindless entertainment" point also applies to the west. No one goes through Marvel movies expecting any deeper meaning. Even if you used a popular literature example, works like Harry Potter also aren't sought out for deeper meaning.
They used to at least put something into popular entertainment. Conan the Barbarian has had plenty of interesting musings and introspective ideas thrown into the mix, amidst everything else. Classic pulps always had some substance to them, whether it was Dashiell Hammett's Continental Op or Robert E. Howard's Kull.

Or, hell, all the classic science fiction. That's usually been built on exploring ideas of substance. The Foundation Trilogy by Asimov, Childhood's End by Clarke, Starship Troopers by Heinlein, Farenheit 451 by Bradbury, and so on. There's some meat to chew on despite it being genuinely entertaining.

Or, perhaps we should look at the "lower tier" writers. I'd still wager Edgar Rice Burroughs and Gordon Dickson and Mickey Spillane to all still bring some substance to their work. Tarzan and John Carter always had something interesting to them while keeping the fantastic adventures going. Dickson and Doc Smith and Leigh Brackett wrote adventurous science fiction for decades, but there's something of substance in them. Spillane was the violent private detective writer, but there was still some substance to his work. I'd even argue the likes of Doc Savage and The Shadow as having some merit beyond pure entertainment too.

I'll even say that a lot of the classic comics writing had some genuine substance to it, for what it was worth. The issue is that it's all been hollowed out now.

As flawed as it was, the original Marvel Civil War had a halfway decent moral conflict that was worthwhile reading and thinking about. You don't need something to be grandiose and eternal. The issue is always when the writer or editor fucks up and tries to do something that just doesn't work. Like, I find DC's Identity Crisis to be so disappointing because it could have been so much better. Same with most superhero comics since 2000. Fucking "Invincible" is refreshing for 5 minutes before I realize how low the damned bar got set due to bullshit standards.
 
I you feel the need to vent more on this I would be willing to listen.

It's an alright premise, but it's not that unique. It's decently executed, except for the weird form of redemption that writer gives Omniman. They then go out of their way to set the world up as being a living and breathing world, which was okay. The series feels like it rides this strange artificial roller coaster because they want it to be a growing-up-pains story for Invincible, while also being a bit of a space opera.

It plays with classic capeshit tropes and cliches decently, but it feels like the damn violence is pointlessly gruesome. It also feels like the last third of the series is fumbled and meanders.

I can write more once I've put some more thought into it.
 
Still waiting for the romantasy bubble to burst, but on the flip side there's a greater rise of "these books are shit" YouTubes. YT'ers who used to just review fantasy books are shifting focus towards becoming the Nerdrotic of BookTubers and making content where they eviscerate shitty books online.

I think these bitchy reviews may be a direct evolution from the previous decade's pile-on habit. Yes, reviews attack the work and not the person. But it satisfies the rat desire that still exists to obliterate anyone who appears to have a little bit of success.

Only problem with splitting is F/F isn't popular enough to stand on its own. Whereas F/M can, and will sell with few skips except illumicrate will get cancelled for heteronormative blah blah blah bullshit. Ought to just offer an alternative book every month so that way the five sapphics can have their titty on titty, and the majority can have their bad boy romance or whatever they're calling nowadays.

I still maintain that there were never enough readers that were privately into F/F! It was always a virtue-signal genre.

AO3 lists 8.3% of the pairing tags as F/F, and I'd go so far as to argue that fanfic writers, in order to appease Le Wokke Mobbe, will throw in a secondary F/F pairing or write something extremely short. Someone did a deeper dive to filter complete works over 20K and with the F/F pairing being the main characters in the story. It turned out to be something in the area of 2.5%

I mention AO3 as a reliable indicator as it is primarily the biggest crossover of romantasy/fantasy readership, and somewhat divorced from the mainstream marketing apparatus. Fantasy tastemakers are still trying to push the illusion of it being nearly 50%, and it ain't even half that.

There's two types of gay romance in contemporary lit right now.

Wholesome chungus meet-cute romcom tropes safe-horny (for women) gay

and

bent over the back of a dumpster in (insert big city here) with thinly veiled author whining about how DomTop 29 blocked him on Grindr "ugh im so tired of hookup culture 🙄" while actively engaging in it gay

Note that all flavors of nonbinary and genderblobbery go in the first category

Autoandrophilia of straight women is just not spoken of enough.

It's emotional manipulation because the main characters (love interest(s) included) are written to be such non-characters that the reader can self-insert herself into the role to "experience" it. That's the "female power fantasy", and that's why BookTok will only talk about the sex.

I suspect that a male romantic character who is "difficult" to reach in fantasy narratives, somewhat inoculates female readers and self-inserters from the secondary anxiety of "if he is so good, why doesn't he have another woman better than the MC?" The spectre of cheating is a huge turn-off, so there's usually some in-book reason for him being celibate by the time female MC comes along.

I think most of them are "slow burn", too, which is surprisingly popular but only works well when the characters act like real characters. Been reading ACOTAR for the psych study (I swear it) and the main characters have of yet to boink halfway into the book, of which you swear based on reviews and talk of it that that's all the characters ever do. The modern woman doesn't care about story, they just want the illusion of having the "perfect" man—the one who's sexy, protective, and provides for everything no matter what even if you're a stupid defiant brat who deserves the terrible consequences that comes with disobedience.

There was a YT'er who just went through the ACOTAR plot (too long, won't read) and apparently the author basically swapped romantic MMC's by book 2. I think SJM was basically pantsing the series - it was her second, so she had the muscle memory to do it.
 
there's a greater rise of "these books are shit" YouTubes. YT'ers who used to just review fantasy books are shifting focus towards becoming the Nerdrotic of BookTubers and making content where they eviscerate shitty books online.
Can you point us toward any good ones? I haven't had any luck.

Almost every booktuber seems to out themselves as "the gayest shitlib you've ever seen" sooner or later.
I've found some channels where they seem as if they're doing what you're describing, actually critiquing contemporary books solely on the merits of the storytelling, but they always descend into the same shit eventually.
I just want to hear about the story, and the craft behind it. Not about "problematic" elements, or about "queer representation," or about how a character's plight reminds them of fucking marxist class struggle.
 
AO3 lists 8.3% of the pairing tags as F/F, and I'd go so far as to argue that fanfic writers, in order to appease Le Wokke Mobbe, will throw in a secondary F/F pairing or write something extremely short. Someone did a deeper dive to filter complete works over 20K and with the F/F pairing being the main characters in the story. It turned out to be something in the area of 2.5%

Don't forget that a substantial proportion of F/F is tranny shit.
 
Can you point us toward any good ones? I haven't had any luck.
I enjoy Better Than Food. He has the calmest, most even handed review of the Unabomber manifesto I've seen.
For the most part you can find your people on youtube by just searching for the most obscure thing you like and add "review" or something. The girlies do not read outside their comfort zone. Type in "2666 novel" and booktok is suddenly 95% male and bearded with actual bookshelfs and everything.
 
The girlies do not read outside their comfort zone
I'm trying to think of an exception to this rule and I'm hard pressed to do so.

There was some gal I watched but never subscribed to who referred to herself as "your book review hobbit" or some such thing and I cannot now remember the exact channel name, sadly. IIRC one of the hate comments she got said she looked like a Hobbit, she thought this was funny so she's kind of adopted it as her motto. Ring a bell for anyone?

She didn't stray off the beaten path much, but she didn't much care for the bean flicking genre porn that seems to clutter up most of Tik-Tok and YouTube, either. Her downvotes and upvotes were also just about even so I assume the YouTube algorithm has effectively buried her channel. Can't find it now at any rate.
 
Still waiting for the romantasy bubble to burst, but on the flip side there's a greater rise of "these books are shit" YouTubes.
Can you point us toward any good ones? I haven't had any luck.
Almost every booktuber seems to out themselves as "the gayest shitlib you've ever seen" sooner or later.
Youtubers like this are my guilty pleasure- unfortunately so many of the romantasy reviewers are shitlib women and even when criticising the dreadful plot or lack of characterisation will completely undercut the review with ''oh but if YOU like it THATS OKAY!!!!". Have some GUTS!!! Even when people review outright dogshit they will try soften the blow instead of just saying its shit, drives me mental- nynameismarines is the worst for this. Even in anti booktok spheres women still feel the social pressure to tow the line.
I can recommend Krimson Rogue, yes he's lib but he's a lot harsher than the womenfolk and his reviews are extremely indepth, especially for Lightlark. So many reviewers/content creators for Booktok hardly seem to read the books and just regurgitate what they've heard on socials, as I've complained about before, and he has some decent reviewer and literary criticism chops. It's also fun to see a man, with very nerdy man hobbies (autism), read smut books for women and review them as if it's Sanderson (he's done reviews on ColHo and 50 Shades lmfao).
I still maintain that there were never enough readers that were privately into F/F! It was always a virtue-signal genre.
Agree. All the people you see whining about the lack of FF are never *creating* it, there's very few F/F artists or writers compared to the FM MM shit (especially those who aren't browbeaten by tranny shit). The only one i can think of is Hattersarts (you may know her as the artist who drew Hilary Clinton smut comic back in 2016).
I think SJM was basically pantsing the series
I'm p sure this has been confirmed. Book2 is a copy of the Persephone myth and halfway through SJM decided she liked the dark and handsome Rhysand more so made Tamlin mega aboosive to justify it- she also did this in Throne of Glass when the other Rword guy shows up and takes Caeleanae/Alien whatever her name is away from the previous love interest. Her latest series was also derailed by the ACOTAR gang showing up- she never really plans out she just... does whatever she fancies. "'Gardening'' writing.
 
Can you point us toward any good ones? I haven't had any luck.
Jill Bearup does reviews sometimes. I don't watch him a lot but this guy seems decent.
 
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